E3 2010: MGS: Rising Introduces Brutal Watermelon Slicing

Therumancer

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To me this seems like an epic fail to me.

Honestly, the Metal Gear series has always largely been about stealth. The manic action and combat bits interspaced with the idea of getting into and out of places more or less undetected, and figuring out what to use in which location at what time.

This does not seem anything like that, it actually seems like a fairly derivitive sword-based brawler... albiet with nice graphics, and some ultra-violence thrown in. Optimizing bullet time mechanics for close combat is cool, but not all that special overall.

I'll also say that using the "Metal Gear Solid" title strikes me as being a problem due to the fact that the "Solid" bit came from a very specific character who is no longer going to be a staple of the franchise apparently, and might not even be appearing in this game.

Plus I will be totally blunt in saying that there is an east vs. west "war" involved here. Going waaay back to when they replaced Snake with Raiden for most of a game, there was a bit discussion about how there were issues in Japan with a game of this sort featuring a Caucasian protaganist, and so the effort was made to replace Snake with a more "appropriate" Japanese character... which didn't go over well with the biggest part of the paying fanbase.

I think a big part of the appeal of the series, was to have a very stereotypical seeming western military/action hero, sort of like a combination of Snake Plisskin and Rambo, taking on military and science fiction type threats. The settings oftentimes involving areas similar to where the US fought wars like various jungle locations, and even at some point actual wars (although the first Metal Gear games involved political parody as the backstory, if you read the instruction manual).


Metal Gear was never realistic, but was ground in a very specific, fairly "Western" type vibe despite the introduction of anime type trappings.

This new game doesn't even seem like Metal Gear anymore, it rather seems like some pretty derititive Japanese action stuff. I mean here we've got a Japanese military cyborg, running around with a Katana, fighting other cyborgs, and ripping out spines to absorb energy in a manner which seems to make no sense at all.

While Metal Gear's storyline has always been very convoluted and insane, it did make a degree of sense, and seemed to be just a couple steps higher than most techno-thriller stuff. It just threw out a LOT of differant stuff all at the same time, where most stories of that genere would have one wierd thing as the focus. This makes less sense than usual.

Besides which part of the appeal was that despite his exotic genetic backround, Snake was more or less just a guy with a bunch of guns and James Bond type gimmicks. The absolutly crazy situations he found himself in, and the enmies he wound up fighting, was part of what make him cool, and a sort of BA underdog you could cheer for, because by rights the dude should have been crushed instantly by any of the freaks he winds up somehow taking down.

I just don't get that from "I'm a Cyborg Samurai-Ninja, who can slow down time, and slash through vehicles and concrete pillars like warm butter".

I mean it's not a bad idea for a game, I've played more than a few games with premises surprisingly similar to that. But that is *NOT* Metal Gear... and Raiden is, and always was, made of epic fail. I've read enough translated stuff where I understand the perspective of the Japanese fan base, however I don't think further easternizing an existing franchise is going to do it much good.

That's my thoughts at least. I've only tinkered with Metal Gear ever since the first "we've replaced Snake" incident (I wasn't kidding when I said I refused to buy the game, and wouldn't purchuse any further installments and give them more of my money, especially given the unannounced manner in which it was done), but really this doesn't seem like a good way to try and win people like me back, or even impress those who had been following the series through every installment irregardless of the desicians made.
 

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Jeez. Talk about Rescued From The Scrappy Heap. [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap]

I've never been interested in Metal Gear before, mostly because due to the fact I own a 360 and not a PS3, but now that this new title's coming to the 360, I definitely will give it a look, if not a rent.
 

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This trailer honestly scared me. Now, MGS: Rising can be a great game and disprove me, I'll admit. But from what I've seen it's all of a sudden taken this gorey tone that I've never seen in any MGS game. It's oddly and disturbingly violent for an MGS game which leads me to believe that they're only doing that to appeal to the "mainstream" audience *cough360cough*.

I could be wrong though, and I'd be lying if I said that I wasn't interested. It's just a little weird to see a relatively tame game turn into a Ninja Gaiden copy cat.

[sup]Though I've only played MGS4 honestly, so fuck if I know what I'm talking about.[/sup]
 

Waaghpowa

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Hurr Durr Derp said:
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That looks awesome.

This might be the first time I've ever wanted to play a MGS game. The faux stealth shooter gameplay never really grabbed me the way it did so many people, but an awesome ninja slice 'em up? DO WANT!
You must be talking about MGS4, because all the other ones were stealth i.e. you get shot to death if you were so much as spotted. 4 was the only one where you could go through the whole thing guns blazing.

Also, if it's "faux stealth" what exactly is "real stealth"?
 

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Inzomniack said:
You make a good point. That trailer leaves me wondering.... was the watermelon Nuclear? Was it the new Metal Gear and thats why it was destroyed?

What's happening in this guys head?
Adzma said:
I remember a time when the Metal Gear series was about stealth. All I get from this is Kojima jumping up and down waving his arms and saying "See?! Raiden is awesome!!!!"
You are both wrong, Kojima is not involved in Rising. However, I do agree with the guy who said that "Solid" should not be in the title. It should just be Metal Gear Rising.

Yeah.
 

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Jumplion said:
This trailer honestly scared me. Now, MGS: Rising can be a great game and disprove me, I'll admit. But from what I've seen it's all of a sudden taken this gorey tone that I've never seen in any MGS game. It's oddly and disturbingly violent for an MGS game which leads me to believe that they're only doing that to appeal to the "mainstream" audience *cough360cough*.
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I got the same thing with the violence, seeing someone being diced like that is a little weird. The same kind of violence kept me away from GoW, that probably wasn't so bad.

For some reason though i just think this game looks plain awesome! I've been wanting sword fighting with that much control for ages, i'm not sure how good it is in actual gameplay but i'm at least going to give it a try :p
 

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OH FUCK YES!

YES YES YES YES YES!

Finally a sword fighting game with properly overdone physics!

[sub]You better be watching this Lucasarts....[/sub]
 

Ghostkai

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Not saying it's going to be bad, but what exactly makes this a MGS game? Besides it having a familar character.
 

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As if the plot wasn't confusing enough... but hack and slash ninja slicer game sounds pretty good
 

Hurr Durr Derp

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Payne121 said:
Hurr Durr Derp said:
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That looks awesome.

This might be the first time I've ever wanted to play a MGS game. The faux stealth shooter gameplay never really grabbed me the way it did so many people, but an awesome ninja slice 'em up? DO WANT!
You must be talking about MGS4, because all the other ones were stealth i.e. you get shot to death if you were so much as spotted. 4 was the only one where you could go through the whole thing guns blazing.

Also, if it's "faux stealth" what exactly is "real stealth"?
I admit the only ones I've played all the way through were the first Playstation one and MGS4. I've also played bits and pieces of several of the other ones, but I always found the stealth sections in MGS games to be a bit... awkward, for lack of a better word. It just feels too arcade-ish. From the countdown alarm to the iconic "!" signs to the almost arcade-like bossfights, the stealth in MGS simply never grabbed me the way I expect a stealth game to grab me. Another thing I don't really like about the stealth in MGS is that you're frequently given rocket launchers and machine guns and whatnot, and are then expected not to use them. Like in MGS4, where you had the Psyche Gauge that messed you up if you weren't stealthy enough (among other things). It's like they say "ok, we're giving you the option to go ballistic... but we don't want you to do that!"

Perhaps 'faux' was a bad word to use. I simply don't enjoy the way MGS handles its stealth portions. When it comes to stealth, I'd rather play the Thief games, or the Hitman games, or even the Splinter Cell games. Sure, those also give you opportunities to go all guns-blazing on everyone, but when you choose to be stealthy it feels way more intuitive than what I've seen from MGS.

YMMV, and I'm certainly not saying they're bad games, they just don't appeal much to me. This new "Ninja Gaiden" approach might seem like a big departure from the series' regular gameplay, but to me it looks like a lot more fun.
 

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Covarr said:
I don't think this should be called Metal Gear Solid Rising, unless it features Solid Snake in at least a major supporting role, like MGS2 did. Really, if it's only Raiden, they should just call it Metal Gear Rising.

P.S. Thanks

They started suffixing the "Solid" on to the titles of the games after the first PS1 game, because of the move to 3D and polygons - hence solid. Snake's presence didn't make the first three games in the series "Solid"!
 

Adzma

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Ribonuge said:
You are both wrong, Kojima is not involved in Rising.
Kojima is the executive producer and has some input in the title, just no where near as much as the other games.
 

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I want to play a demo of this and then decide, could be fun, could be mindless...could be mindless fun.
 

dagens24

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Hopefully this will breathe some life into the series after the last outting. I'm sorry, but MGS4 failed to impress me. If you're going to make your game 3/4 story then you better have a fucking awesome story to back it up rather than 'Nano-Bots did it'.
 

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Seems like a fun hack n slash. I'm not considering it a MGS neither was I intending to approach it in that manner.
 

Gigaguy64

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Huh.
It looks interesting.
I wonder how there gonna fit the Stealth into this if any.

And is it just me or does Raiden look like Kikashi Hatake?