Oh dear some poor person in EA's PR department is going to have to pull another all nighter on this one.
EA Exec: Shigeru Miyamoto "Falling Down on the Job"
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Why the fuck does EA have to try and talk other companies down?
It's like they're hurling abuse from their glass house at the bottom of a valley at some other guy at the top of the valley... and he has a series of impressively sized and ridiculously rounded boulders resting on the precipice of the downwards slope.
EA, you are still considered "shit" in the industry. Not "the shit" in that quasi-bad-name-for-a-good-thing mode but "the biggest shit" in the no-really-you-have-no-place-to-talk mode.
It's like they're hurling abuse from their glass house at the bottom of a valley at some other guy at the top of the valley... and he has a series of impressively sized and ridiculously rounded boulders resting on the precipice of the downwards slope.
EA, you are still considered "shit" in the industry. Not "the shit" in that quasi-bad-name-for-a-good-thing mode but "the biggest shit" in the no-really-you-have-no-place-to-talk mode.
Yes, because Nintendo releases a new game from every franchise every year, just like Call of Duty and EA Sports. I mean, seriously: We had two 3D Mario platformers on Wii. Two! And all within a three year time span...OK, the math doesn't add up, but still, two! They are obviously just releasing the same game year after year...LysanderNemoinis said:
Oh yeah, and then there's Zelda. It also had two games on Wii released over a six year period. Another franchise with the same game year after year!
And then there's Metroid, which brought it up to three over the course of a few years! And one even went so far as to include the first released in its package! Same game year after year! Damn Nintendo, you're just like EA Sports.
And...yeah, I'm done. I'll never get why people say Nintendo releases the same game all the time and then compares it to something like Madden. Granted, they tend to pursue the same set of IPs the most, but that doesn't mean they don't support new IPs[footnote]Look at Xenoblade Chronicles, The Last Story, and Pandora's tower, which all released within the last few years.[/footnote], that they don't take a break from major IPs[footnote]Star Fox and F-Zero have been missing for a while, and they just released Pikmin 3 after a long hiatus from that series.[/footnote], or that they don't innovate at all[footnote]Just look at the transition from Sunshine to Galaxy.[/footnote]. Could they improve on their creativity? Yeah, probably. But why would they do it when so many people still enjoy the core experience and already feel that Nintendo keeps things fresh enough to make each new iteration interesting?
Ignoring the fact that there might be a decent argument for EA wanting to monopolize the industry and Nintendo sort of gets in the way of that goal...(no, that comment isn't entirely serious)sirjeffofshort said:
EA's been trying to get establish a strong foothold mobile gaming for a while now. The biggest "competitor" (if you can even call them direct competitors) to iOS gaming is Nintendo with their DS line of systems. If EA wants to continue that path while continuing to make as much money as possible for what they put out, they do have some interest in convincing people to switch from Nintendo to iOS for their mobile gaming. And if the annual "EA bashes CoD" tradition is anything to go by, a major tactic of the company seems to be tearing down their opponents and building their success on the opponent's corpse.
OT: I just don't see iOS gaming really tearing Nintendo down in terms of appeal to children, or any audience for that matter. Both offer different experiences, and while iOS is certainly cheaper, Nintendo's games tend to be of a higher quality and last much longer. Not to mention, people get iOS to enhance their phone, which they already have for other purposes and which isn't dedicated to gaming. Someone looking for a dedicated gaming system can always look to Nintendo. That's not to say it can't do a minor dent to Nintendo, but I doubt Nintendo is ever going to have to seriously be worried about the iOS platform forcing them out of handheld gaming.
Is that really a fair comparison when one costs $40 and the other is free-$.99 depending on the version you get?WeepingAngels said:
OT: EA...I want to like them because they do make some good games but they make it so, so hard to. Why did he say this? What was the motivation? Especially since they don't make games for Nintendo consoles anymore.
EDIT: Oh...I just read the post above mine (MysticSlayer's). That make complete sense, and I hate that kind of advertising. Tell me why I should like what you're selling, don't talk about your competitors. I might just take a harder look at your competitor and decide not to bother with you at all.
XD But that's just me."Bitter table for one at the Pity Party Palace!"
Sorry, I read that and that's pretty much what went through my head.
Sorry, I read that and that's pretty much what went through my head.
Alternate approach to avoid being on the "worst company" finalist list next year most likely. If you can't improve enough to avoid the list, try to make everyone else worse to fill the slot instead.Abomination said:
What would you like to compare against Nintendo's most successful handheld franchise?Allspice said:
I hope you're right, atleast you aren't claiming that mobile gaming was never a thing.j-e-f-f-e-r-s said:
i'd argue that EA is roughly as transitory given that they don't actually really come up with anything, but just purchase other companies that do, and then run them into the ground on their false belief system that relies on there being enough companies having ideas for them to continue doing that instead of actually making a worthwhile investment that will survive into the futureLysanderNemoinis said:
while nintendo also runs things into the ground, there are only a handful of titles that i could say aren't worthy of the quality standards they actually try to maintain, even in the face of other companies who claim they are the future but don't have any more legs to stand on than their competitors, and are also games i can actually consider to be worthy of replaying
those phone games aren't gonna last past a year or two before everybody's moved onto a new, fleeting thing with that brand new smell, and i mourn the loss of value that we pass on to each generation in succession
all we're doing is building a future with no past, so that companies can use our lack of cultural history to exploit our minds and wallets for their personal gain, giving us shit and telling us it's the best thing ever, and not investing that money back into games that are actually better, or worth playing, or teach us anything
this is why i resent the triple aaa industry, and why i am skeptical of sony being the messiah that people are hoping for
One of another handheld's would make more sense. Mobile and handhelds are so different they can't be compared. A phone is something almost everyone has and no one buys one specifically for gaming. It just also happens to have that functionality and a lot of good ones, like Angry Birds, are free (I only downloaded it because it was free). The same can't be said for a handheld.WeepingAngels said:
Are you saying that handhelds and mobiles aren't in competition? I have Angry Birds on my PSP/Vita (I bought it because of the hype and was quickly disappointed). I keep seeing major Japanese companies putting their new games on mobile instead of handhelds. Here's an example:Allspice said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Square_Enix_mobile_games
What JRPG fan can forget the slap in the face that is Breath of Fire 6. http://www.destructoid.com/breath-of-fire-6-coming-next-year-you-ll-be-sad-to-learn-259147.phtml
As I watch my favorite franchises get releases on mobile and not on my beloved handhelds...I think they are in direct competition.
Despite the fact that Nintendo has been very busy trying to make me not like them ever since the Wii I can still see that saying this was a horrible idea. Seriously, does EA even have a PR department at this point? Or have they all been long since driven to suicidal despair?
No, I'm not saying they aren't in direct competition. They are. My point was that comparing the sales of a mobile game to that of a handheld's is pointless because of how cheap mobile games are and the fact that pretty much everyone has a phone. Of course Angry Birds "sold" more than the last Pokemon games, it's free.WeepingAngels said:
I did hear about that abomination. Damn it Capcom.
So if we can't compare mobile games to handheld games even though they really are in direct competition....where do we go from here.Allspice said:
Let me repeat what you said...Damn it Capcom.
I'm happy Nintendo exists. They make games I like. Their prices do take forever to go down though, but at least they're enjoyable. Every mobile game I have bought has at best served as a very short term distraction with level design and mechanics that do not come close to the games Nintendo has made. I care much less about price than I do about solid game design, and at least Nintendo has that. And buttons. Buttons are nice. Buttons allow me to play Sonic CD. Not having buttons makes that impossible. I WILL ALWAYS LOATHE YOU, SONIC CD FOR THE IPHONE. ALWAYS AND FOREVER.
I'm talking purely about sales numbers. It doesn't matter how much a free game sells because it's free, that skews the numbers. Almost everyone will try something that's free. It's more impressive when a $35 game sells 14 million copies, IMHO.WeepingAngels said:
I do think the revenue they bring in is something you can compare between them though. Not specific games, but in general.
And I think it deserves to be said again, because I'm not happy with them in general: damn it Capcom.
Because every time a company speaks the name of Jobs they have to sacrifice an intern to appease his vengeful spirit.j-e-f-f-e-r-s said:
XD I would have been too, it's fun for a little while but it won't keep you interested beyond...ten to 20 minutes maybe. I don't even really play it anymore, if I'm out somewhere and bored I play Fruit Ninja. I swear the people who made that had to have played Rhythm Heaven directly before. It's exactly like that one mini game with the dog ninja, except you don't have to slice the fruit in time to the music.WeepingAngels said:
I'm sorry... he is incorrect, he is comparing apples to oranges. Miyamoto didn't just make cow clickers that try to steal your money or experiences that begin and end in 5 minutes with little no memory of them. His games defined the ways the whole industry worked for decades. He didn't sell 5 minutes experiences. Games from the dead guy from Cupertino... well any disrespect for the dead aside, he didn't make a platform that is well suited for memorable or defining experiences, in my opinion. And EA isn't either with their push to mobile. Miyamoto made icons, the only icon from mobile games are the obnoxious angry birds.
