EA Founder: Consoles Will Become Niche

Quicksilver_Phoenix

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Personally? I don't know anyone who's a "casual gamer", plays many mobile games or anything like that. This market i've heard so much about always confuses me because I don't see the appeal or know anyone who does.

Oddly enough, my friends and I who were big console gamers are now shifting towards PC gaming.
 

Sonic Doctor

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Hardcore gaming isn't like that.

It isn't even limited by platform. I think real hardcore gamers are people that will play whatever they can in whatever way suits them best at the time. True hardcore gamers do their best to not limit themselves to one area of gaming; they play most genres and are above the system wars, as they are the type of gamer that dreams of owning every system, console, handheld, and PC alike.

At least, that is how I define myself as a hardcore gamer.

My systems:

NES
SNES
N64
A third party system that runs, NES, SNES, and Genesis games.(Retron 3)
Had a Gamecube, but I'm loaning it to a friend because I have a Wii that will play my gamecube games.
Wii
Original Gameboy
Two Gameboy Colors
Gameboy Advanced
Nintendo DS Lite
PSP
Xbox 360
And a PC that right now runs just lower end games and MMOs.

If I had the money, there would be a lot more on that list, especially a better PC. Granted that list is so long because I'm 27 and have been into gaming since I was at least 4(remembering that far back is hazy for me).

Edit: An original PS2 would be on that list, but back in the day it was actually my brother's, and my Mom convinced him to sell it to one of her friends, because we didn't "play it enough" to warrant having it. My saying that I played it once or twice a week wasn't enough to stop it happening, because of course it was my brother's and since he really only used it for watching DVDs, he sold it. We only had Tekken Tag Tournament for it, but I really did play the game to death on the days I did play it.
 

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yo pc gamers.... if I build a gaming PC for like £500 now (shopping around for parts-not in a hurry)..will it become obsolete quickly/need upgrading 6months into the next console cycle?

Is the optimum time (price wise) build a PC linked to the console cycle?
 

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craddoke said:
Consoles are "hardcore"? As a PC gamer, I would laugh at the karmic schadenfreude if not for the sneaking suspicion that a decade from now Angry Birds will be considered something that only old-school grognards could enjoy.
Indeed. Unless you have a dedicated driving seat or a full HOTAS setup you are a casual gamer...and that's Ok. The only true hardcore are simmers...and maybe those that value battlefield logistics over strategy.
 

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IronMit said:
yo pc gamers.... if I build a gaming PC for like £500 now (shopping around for parts-not in a hurry)..will it become obsolete quickly/need upgrading 6months into the next console cycle?

Is the optimum time (price wise) build a PC linked to the console cycle?
Possibly, but the best time to build a PC is whenever you have the money. Just don't buy a GPU until a few months after it has released, the price on those drops dramatically. I think my Dad paid a couple of thousand dollars for our first basic 386 IBM compatible, just so my brother and I could learn DOS. Except for the GPUs my latest PC cost about $600 and it is a mild beast. PCs just get cheaper and cheaper, even the gaming OS is finally dropping in price.
 

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There can't just be a rough patch in terms of sales. All of this has to be leading up to some bigger thing?

At any rate, I don't see consoles going away or becoming a more niche, too many people have much money involved for that to happen. No, consoles are most likely going to go the way of phones and TVs and tables and toasters... machines that will do everything, basically.

Microsoft certainly seems poised to go for that angle, Sony will probably do it to.

I don't mind having machines that only do one thing, in fact I prefer it, it generally means that the one thing they do is done very well or there are less ways for a machine to catastrophically break down, but I'm in the minority on this opinion.
 

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SkarKrow said:
Beat MegaMan 2 without taking damage. Beyond hardcore. (not done, not crazy enough, have done 9 and 10 without a death though)

=D
Did that when I was 12. Noooooo problem.

On a more serious note, the only definition of hardcore I accept is if gaming (regardless of the game/platform etc) is your primary hobby.

As for what he's saying it has some merit but not because he knows what he's talking about. The stagnation isn't even that it is the end of the consoles life cycle. The issue stems from the fact that the industries have streamlined their monetization of its products and people are fed up with it. Thus, the gamers are finding other ways to enjoy their entertainment.

The only other reason it would be niche is because there is only one video game console left: The Wii. The other two seem more interested in becoming multimedia platforms and putting gaming on a backburner.
 

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So , EA founder says this so PC gamers will like him . Smart move , because mobs are stupid .
 

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This is the cataclysmic retard that created EA. And the 3DO. I'd rather trust my own excrement in interperating the future than this moron.
 

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Now, the word "hardcore" is fairly nebulous, and there's still debate as to whether casual games will erode the core gaming market or enhance it, but Hawkins does have a point. In 2008, consoles were the driving force of the industry, pulling in nearly twice the revenue of the PC game market. That lead is shrinking - console game sales wax and wane with hardware cycles, but the PC market has seen growth year over year. PC game revenue is expected to match, then beat, that of the console market in 2014.
Does no one understand the whole point of "We need the next generation of consoles to come out NOW!"

Of course their market is shrinking and loosing out to PC games, because if games are made for them the developers end up getting limited by their crap user specs, whereas PCs can handle loads more content, calculations, better internet connectivity etc.

If you look at the Dreamcast's game sales they've never been worse. Does that mean that all consoles are dead? No, it means there are better games being made for more powerful alternative machines.

Hordes of developers have ended up announcing they were coming back to focus on PC releases in the past year or two, (some with their tails between their legs) because the consoles were to restricting on their game designs. Would these people have done that if there was a more powerful console to create games for? No.

What's killing console game sales are the outdated tech. Release the PS4, the Xbox Loop, the Wiiwhatever and sales will rocket back up to perfectly viable and profitable levels.
 

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Geo Da Sponge said:
...Is it just me or does that guy look like Arnold Schwarzenegger if he was playing Scaramanga from The Man With The Golden Gun?

Okay, that weird comparison aside, is it just me or is he saying "I think people who actually care about games as entertainment rather than a way to kill time are going to die out"?
Looks more like the doctor from Human Centipede to me. I'm not sure who should feel ashamed for looking like the other.

As for his prediction I seriously doubt it - The NES/Sega era wasn't an avalanche of hardcore RTS tit-massaging flight simulators with cover-based shooting and people having been through the Nintendo experience didn't exclude them from trying out other games.
 

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Micah Weil said:
Ickabod said:
The PC is dead, now the console is dead. Would someone make up their mind already.
Makes sense that a number of the better games for the PC in recent years have all been about zombies...
LOL, Wut? I can only count about 5 or 6 in the last few years about zombies for the pc. Or any Console for that matter. Zombies make cameo's but they are hardly the focus of gaming lately. They might be an unlockable mode or perhaps an easter egg cheat.
 

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Entitled said:
cidbahamut said:
I feel like we're missing a more important talking point here. The console and PC experiences are beginning to converge.
No, they are not. Console-centric games are still based on the "arcade + cinematic eye-candy" paradigm, while PC games, (both traditiona hardcore and facebook casual) are based on the "tabletop game meets utility software" paradigm.
Uhhhhh? 1999 called, it wants its way of thinking back.

TizzytheTormentor said:
Why the hell does something have to infinitely beat something? The console wars was a stupid term made up by annoying pricks to make fun of consoles.

Can't Consoles/PC/Handhelds/iOS games all co-exist? Even the term "Hardcore" is overused as hell. Playing Call of Duty doesn't make you hardcore (Finishing Shin Megami Tensei: Nocturne on hard your first playthrough, THAT'S FUCKING HARDCORE!)
What about Alpha Squad 7: Lady Nocturne: A Tek Jansen Adventure, just getting half way through that is mad hardcore.


Anyway, Trip Hawkins needs to shut the fuck up and go surfing or skydiving or some other dumb shit that his name would suit. He's just bitter about the 3DO.
 

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You know .. I have been pretty lax on EA over the years. But high holy hell I am getting sick to death of EA telling us what the future will hold, when really all they are telling us is what they want the future to hold.

Just like the notion of digital downloads and multiplayer resulting in all EA games now are to have multiplayer. That would be all well and good, except for the absolutely disgusting fact they are pushing multiplayer on people. Its already begun too. Look at ME3. Sure you can finish the game without multiplayer. However if you want a decent chance, or to gain the "good" endings, you either have to play multiplayer, Buy DLC, Buy android apps, or have an Iphone. THat is not only wrong, its friggen disgusting.

So EA... Would you kindly STFU. Yes we know you want everyone online so you can better control your games and your profit. That isnt what WE want. Your starting to act like microsoft with this nonsense. Cut it out already.
 

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I want to laugh this off completely, but I have to remember I'm from an older generation (at 24 it's weird saying that lol). Kids now probably do a lot of mobile and tablet gaming. It's still hard to fathom consoles becoming completely niche, but not out of the question given the adoption rate of mobile gaming now.
 

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IronMit said:
yo pc gamers.... if I build a gaming PC for like £500 now (shopping around for parts-not in a hurry)..will it become obsolete quickly/need upgrading 6months into the next console cycle?

Is the optimum time (price wise) build a PC linked to the console cycle?
That would really depend on what you built. A pre-built machine at that price would probably become obsolete within a couple of years, picking your parts and having a PC store assemble it for you, or assembling it yourself, and it could potentially last the next 8 - dependent on what the next gen brings out, what parts you are able to buy and for what price.
The optimum time to build a PC, IMO, is probably a few months after the start of a console cycle. You know what consoles are capable of, you know what your PC will need to be able to do for the next 8 years, and PC parts only ever drop in price whilst a new console, if the previous generation is anything to go by, will be as expensive if not more so than a new PC, dependent on where you live.
If you need help with choosing parts, make a thread on these forums and you'll get a fair bit of help. There are a few PC gamers here that enjoy the hardware side of things almost as much as the gaming itself [Well, maybe not but I do, and others have as much if not more knowledge in certain areas than me, so hey.].

Hero in a half shell said:
Does no one understand the whole point of "We need the next generation of consoles to come out NOW!"

Of course their market is shrinking and loosing out to PC games, because if games are made for them the developers end up getting limited by their crap user specs, whereas PCs can handle loads more content, calculations, better internet connectivity etc.

If you look at the Dreamcast's game sales they've never been worse. Does that mean that all consoles are dead? No, it means there are better games being made for more powerful alternative machines.

Hordes of developers have ended up announcing they were coming back to focus on PC releases in the past year or two, (some with their tails between their legs) because the consoles were to restricting on their game designs. Would these people have done that if there was a more powerful console to create games for? No.

What's killing console game sales are the outdated tech. Release the PS4, the Xbox Loop, the Wiiwhatever and sales will rocket back up to perfectly viable and profitable levels.
The point is he trying to make is yes, console sales will increase with the new cycle - temporarily - meanwhilst PC sales are just constantly going up. "Console game sales wax and wane with hardware cycles, but the PC market has seen growth year over year".
Even if a new console cycle is released, it will just cause a temporary increase to console sales, whilst also lowering the barrier to entry for PC gaming as if you're going to buy a new console, why not buy a new PC for the same price but with more power. Some people will have reasons to hold onto console gaming, others will decide not to bother and to join the so called Master Race instead, allowing them more control over their experience, and providing both a useful utility upgrade, and a gaming upgrade.

Whether this will come to pass or not still waits to be seen, but if the PC playerbase just constantly grows, whilst the console playerbase grows then shrinks, then grows, then shrinks, the future seems likely to favour the PC as a platform.
 

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I really don't think we should put much stock in the opinion of a guy who thought the 3do was a good idea.

But anyways the way I look at it is this.
The pc player base is growing because of casual games like farmville and angry birds, Now if you are a pc gamer this should worry you. why would a software house pour millions of dollars into a hardcore pc game when they can just knock out a cheap casual game and ride the wave all the way to the bank.

That niche console market he's predicting isn't because so many players have adopted pc's to play games, its because the pc market will be so choked with casual games that hardcore players will have to turn to consoles to get the experience they want. In effect consoles will become the last bastillion of hardcore games.


"The console market is always going to be with us, because there's always going to be a hardcore segment, a segment that likes innovation,"

That quote makes it pretty clear that he thinks the days of pc gaming being innovative are coming to a close.
As a console and pc player I really hope it dosn't end up like that.
 

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cidbahamut said:
I feel like we're missing a more important talking point here. The console and PC experiences are beginning to converge.
I wouldn't say they're converging, more like the PC is simply adopting the only few things consoles ever had as an advantage in the great debate.

Mostly due to Steam I might add.