EA Founder: Consoles Will Become Niche

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erttheking said:
Nice EA, get the hardcore elitists clawing at each other. Come on we have to put up with enough of that without you dumping gas on the fire.
I recommend reading the article before commenting.
Hawkins founded EA after leaving Apple in '82, which he then left to form 3DO in '91.
Or, in other words:
SkarKrow said:
I'd like to immediately point out that in the present he has fuck all to do with EA so you don't get free EA hate for this one, shame on you Escapist for even needing to put EA in the title of this article.
OT: The console market will definitely continue shrinking, seeing as every device can play games in one form or the other nowadays. Will it become 'niche', though? I have no idea.
 

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Owning a console is equivalent to owning a jet. That has got to be, by far, the worst analogy I've heard this year, and I often make deliberately bad analogies for shits and giggles.
 

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Is this good or bad far console gaming though? Basically more devs will leave console for PC because of restrictions I take it? Well I'm screwed due to my multiple reasons why a console is better for me right now since it'll probably be around when I move out that I get one and even then Halo 4 will be out by then so I won't be touching my PC until something like Dawn of War 3 comes out.

Now more than ever seems to be the time to play my PC a bit more rather that just using it for college work and the occasional game of Dawn of War. What the fuck was my Steam login again?

Guess I should just stop arguing against it. I'm still playing my xbox mostly though, the PC in the house is shared by the family and I prefer the exclusives of xbox.
 

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Hero in a half shell said:
Release the PS4, the Xbox Loop, the Wiiwhatever and sales will rocket back up to perfectly viable and profitable levels.
I'm gonna make a little bet with you.

I bet you 1 packet of Jammie Dodgers that the next gen of consoles doesn't sell as well as this one did.

In fact, I bet sales are going to be drastically lower.
 

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Grey Carter said:
Hawkins founded EA after leaving Apple in '82, which he then left to form 3DO in '91.
This sentence needs to be taken out and shot.
 

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What games are you playing? I can name a few "PC Games" that aren't tabletop-esque (Skyrim comes to mind). Besides, I think you are missing the point he was trying to make. During the PS2 era the majority of games were RPGs, 3d platformers and action adventure games; genres that are rarely marketed to the PC crowd. Nowadays, most console games are shooters and sandboxes. And there is more of an effort to port games from console to PC and vice-versa.
I'm not denying that certain games can ignore these paradigms. Multiplatform games can be made, desperate developers can try to transport their favorite genre to the platform where they hope more money, etc.

But due to historical origin, console and PC audiences have entirely different expectations.

The idea behind the first consoles was, to bring the button-smashing fun of the arcade, to the living-room TV. Their input system, the "controller", is entirely based on moving a character around in a virtual space, while killing enemies with another button. And being hooked up to the TV gave it a sense of passive entertainment, just lay back on the couch and enjoy the spectacle.

Meanwhile, many of the early PC games, from Civilization to Elder Scrolls, were transporting older tabletop RPG and strategy traditions to the computer, while many of the new genre games, such as Sim City, or Elite, were still built to be less "instant fun", and more "economical simulation", what Yahtzee once described as "dad games", for people who are already used to dealing with calculations and menus and thinking, while sitting in an office chair and leaning towards a monitor.
The mouse and keyboard controls themselves are more appropriate for clicking on menus, scrolling through large maps, and generally controlling coplex systems such as spaceships, armies, OLD-school RPG inventories, even in an FPS, they are used for more tactics and "simulation". Note, that Yahtzee also counted Minecraft, and DayZ as "dad games".

Games like Elder Scrolls V, Mass Effect, or Fallout 3, are decent examples of a mix between PC and console values, with their control and combat simplified compared to old-school RPGs, but complicated compared to console action games, but they will inherently be on the fringe of both paradigms.

That's what kickstarter games like Project Eternity and Shaker are all about: Not nostalgia, or retro-elitism, but the feeling that these modern games are no longer being made for us.

Even when new genres, such as facebook games, are created without the influence of consoles, they will naturally be founded on traditional PC values. Farmville might be very casual, but in it's core mechanics, it is another "dad game".
 

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You know .. I have been pretty lax on EA over the years. But high holy hell I am getting sick to death of EA telling us what the future will hold, when really all they are telling us is what they want the future to hold.

Just like the notion of digital downloads and multiplayer resulting in all EA games now are to have multiplayer. That would be all well and good, except for the absolutely disgusting fact they are pushing multiplayer on people. Its already begun too. Look at ME3. Sure you can finish the game without multiplayer. However if you want a decent chance, or to gain the "good" endings, you either have to play multiplayer, Buy DLC, Buy android apps, or have an Iphone. THat is not only wrong, its friggen disgusting.

So EA... Would you kindly STFU. Yes we know you want everyone online so you can better control your games and your profit. That isnt what WE want. Your starting to act like microsoft with this nonsense. Cut it out already.
Eh, this guy left EA 21 years ago. You know, if had actually read the article. I must admit though, the Escapist was pretty much begging for it by including EA in the title of article.
 

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So pc users are casual gamers. Assumptions are stupid. Fuck this guy
 

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SkarKrow said:
Beat MegaMan 2 without taking damage. Beyond hardcore. (not done, not crazy enough, have done 9 and 10 without a death though)

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Did that when I was 12. Noooooo problem.

On a more serious note, the only definition of hardcore I accept is if gaming (regardless of the game/platform etc) is your primary hobby.

As for what he's saying it has some merit but not because he knows what he's talking about. The stagnation isn't even that it is the end of the consoles life cycle. The issue stems from the fact that the industries have streamlined their monetization of its products and people are fed up with it. Thus, the gamers are finding other ways to enjoy their entertainment.

The only other reason it would be niche is because there is only one video game console left: The Wii. The other two seem more interested in becoming multimedia platforms and putting gaming on a backburner.
True enough it is becoming a problem, less so with Sony these days they do still put out a lot of first party games and have some great IP's going. Microsoft are the best example of the issue, no focus on games whatsoever and a pitiful trickle of first party titles in recent years. Also the whole paying for live thing needs to end, it's just stupid, why would anyone pay to watch netflix on their xbox?

But yeah,m the multimedia thing is becoming a bigger and bigger issue, I prefer my gaming to be a bit more dedicated and I would like a bit more variety than there is at the moment, I miss last gen when crazy stuff like Viewtiful Joe would get a full disc release and be worth every flashy penny.
 

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Bloodstain said:
erttheking said:
Nice EA, get the hardcore elitists clawing at each other. Come on we have to put up with enough of that without you dumping gas on the fire.
I recommend reading the article before commenting.
Hawkins founded EA after leaving Apple in '82, which he then left to form 3DO in '91.
Or, in other words:
SkarKrow said:
I'd like to immediately point out that in the present he has fuck all to do with EA so you don't get free EA hate for this one, shame on you Escapist for even needing to put EA in the title of this article.
OT: The console market will definitely continue shrinking, seeing as every device can play games in one form or the other nowadays. Will it become 'niche', though? I have no idea.
Huzzah my opinion is valid! By all means people, hammer EA when they do wrong, but when they do good give them dues, and when they do nothing then why blame them?

Shrink it shall though I shall likely never leave it, I love too many Sony IP's. Though my PC will soon become a hub for gaming.
 

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Hey, it's that guy everyone hates, and he's back to spew nonsense.

Everyone point and laugh.
 

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Ickabod said:
The PC is dead, now the console is dead. Would someone make up their mind already.
Everything is dead. We're playing on zombified devices. It's only taken this long to realize it.

OT: I made the transition from console games years ago because I was getting jaded by Nintendo's lack of anything fun to do. Don't get me wrong, I still enjoy some of what the consoles could offer. But the PC just does more for a lot less (in the long run) and the consoles will have to do something new and different to really stay relevant for much longer.

Though, keep in mind this guy founded EA... so take his words with a mountain of salt.
 

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FelixG said:
Your new avatar makes me chuckle, I never much cared for Mort.
Speaking of chuckling, I'm pretty sure the only reason he got banned was because he went running to the mods about two people "insulting him", thereby drawing the mods attention to Mortai calling the two people sexists and liars. If he hadn't tried so hard to get people in trouble he'd still be here.
 

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I Agree.

Both the PC and console as we know it seem to be nearing the end of their life-cycles.
I'm thinking WiiU, Nextbox and PS4 will be the last time consoles are pull in the majority of core gamers.
 

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SkarKrow said:
Bloodstain said:
Huzzah my opinion is valid! By all means people, hammer EA when they do wrong, but when they do good give them dues, and when they do nothing then why blame them?

Shrink it shall though I shall likely never leave it, I love too many Sony IP's. Though my PC will soon become a hub for gaming.
Indeed! EA is just another company. They make mistakes, they do a few good things. No need to hate them with a burning passion. Or name them America's worst company, which they most definitely aren't...
[small]I could rage all day about this award.[/small]
 

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I don't agree with his prediction. If you view the facts at present, sure. It's easy to see the slowing profits and trends associated with the consoles at this point in their life cycle, especially since Microsoft and Sony are really squeezing water out of their respective rocks.

Come Wii U and Xbox 720/PlayStation 4 time, we'll most likely see another surge of interest in the console market. Everyone wants the latest and greatest, and the console makers are going to be sure to tailor their advertisement to that. The interest and trends in the console arena are much more dynamic than that for the PC, just for the fact that PC hardware is consistently improving... where are console hardware will typically fall, though the help of peripherals and exclusives will help to bolster numbers.
 

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Yes, Farmville will completely eradicate the demand for big console and pc games such as Skyrim or Borderlands, and in no way will we be able to resist the temptation of throwing out our 360's and PS3's in favour of playing the god-given wonder that is Angry Birds.
 

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Bloodstain said:
SkarKrow said:
Bloodstain said:
Huzzah my opinion is valid! By all means people, hammer EA when they do wrong, but when they do good give them dues, and when they do nothing then why blame them?

Shrink it shall though I shall likely never leave it, I love too many Sony IP's. Though my PC will soon become a hub for gaming.
Indeed! EA is just another company. They make mistakes, they do a few good things. No need to hate them with a burning passion. Or name them America's worst company, which they most definitely aren't...
[small]I could rage all day about this award.[/small]
Honestly, while I hate some of EA's business practices, thats all they are, a business out to make money. They're hardly the most evil thing in the world. They make games that I like, but do business I dislike, so I'll just play the games and complain about the bits I don't like, that way they pay a tiny bit of attention and may change, whereas by not buying there stuff and bitching, they don't care, because you aren't a customer anyway.

Simples.

[small]That award is retarded, surely Microsoft are further up their for the sheer quantity of defective hardware they knowingly cast out into the world?[/small]


[small]Or 4Kids for ruining anime in english, thank god funimation took One Piece off them[/small]
 

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Studsmack said:
I don't agree with his prediction. If you view the facts at present, sure. It's easy to see the slowing profits and trends associated with the consoles at this point in their life cycle, especially since Microsoft and Sony are really squeezing water out of their respective rocks.

Come Wii U and Xbox 720/PlayStation 4 time, we'll most likely see another surge of interest in the console market. Everyone wants the latest and greatest, and the console makers are going to be sure to tailor their advertisement to that. The interest and trends in the console arena are much more dynamic than that for the PC, just for the fact that PC hardware is consistently improving... where are console hardware will typically fall, though the help of peripherals and exclusives will help to bolster numbers.
True that, the PC progressively improves over time where the consoles lurch forwards in great bounds every 5, 6 or 7 years or so. Sales and consumer interest follow suit.