EA Hosting Panel on Homophobia in Gaming

Baby Tea

Just Ask Frankie
Sep 18, 2008
4,687
0
0
That Dude With A Face said:
I was born a man. That's when I decided I was straight. If I was meant to get it on with men, I would have been a woman. It seems a simple-enough concept to me! *Smiles Sweetly*
I can't believe people are responding to your posts. I mean, I see the irony in me responding, but that's only to point out that you can only be one of two things: A troll, or an extremely sheltered, uneducated person (MODS, I'm trying so hard to be nice here).

I'm guessing it's troll, because anyone who ever actually talking with a gay person seriously about their homosexuality, would know that saying all homosexuals 'choose' homosexuality is so abhorrently wrong. Some probably do chose it, but they are probably a very very small minority.

Now if you aren't a troll, and didn't actually talk to a gay person, then you're just making assumptions based on your own ignorance, which is like me walking into a class on quantum mechanics to teach. I'd be trying to talk about something I know nothing about with an air of education, when I'd just look like an idiot at the front of the class.
The same is going for you right now.
You look like an idiot in front of this forum.

But, since I'm convinced you are a troll, I won't feed you any longer.
Good job on getting people riled up a bit, though.

Iron Mal said:
In short, if you know that there is something that you might be ridiculed for, be intelligent and don't bring it up in the public space (especially in the homophobic depths of online hardcore gaming).
I'd say that's crap. Things come up in converstation! I've met plenty of guys online who I've added to my friend's list, and who I just talk to now! We're friends, of sorts (And as much as you can be on XBL), and we talk about things. Heck, I'll have conversations with guys who I just met in a match!

Now, I do agree that anyone of any group shouldn't join a game and start shouting 'I'm gay!' or 'Join Scientology!', but that's because it's obnoxious. Not because it suddenly gives the right for them to be ridiculed. That's against the terms of use. The terms of use are there for a reason: To help nip these problems in the butt. If people actually followed them, we wouldn't even have this stupid issue.
 

Iseryn

New member
Jul 16, 2009
11
0
0
Baby Tea said:
That Dude With A Face said:
I was born a man. That's when I decided I was straight. If I was meant to get it on with men, I would have been a woman. It seems a simple-enough concept to me! *Smiles Sweetly*
I can't believe people are responding to your posts. I mean, I see the irony in me responding, but that's only to point out that you can only be one of two things: A troll, or an extremely sheltered, uneducated person (MODS, I'm trying so hard to be nice here).

I'm guessing it's troll, because anyone who ever actually talking with a gay person seriously about their homosexuality, would know that saying all homosexuals 'choose' homosexuality is so abhorrently wrong. Some probably do chose it, but they are probably a very very small minority.

Now if you aren't a troll, and didn't actually talk to a gay person, then you're just making assumptions based on your own ignorance, which is like me walking into a class on quantum mechanics to teach. I'd be trying to talk about something I know nothing about with an air of education, when I'd just look like an idiot at the front of the class.
The same is going for you right now.
You look like an idiot in front of this forum.

But, since I'm convinced you are a troll, I won't feed you any longer.
Good job on getting people riled up a bit, though.
I've seen people before who seriously believed the kind of thing that this guy's been saying (some of them changed their mind, I know one guy who was convinced that teh gays were wrong and guess how his sexuality turned out >:-D ). Also, even if he is trolling, there's likely people reading this who will believe something similar and it's good for the lurkers to be exposed to this kind of discussion, educational, ya know?
 

cobra_ky

New member
Nov 20, 2008
1,643
0
0
That Dude With A Face said:
cobra_ky said:
i can't imagine why someone would want cancer, and people don't choose that. i'll ask again, what makes you think homosexuality is a choice?
It's a choice, because you don't HAVE to be openly gay. You don't HAVE to parade around saying "I queer and I'm Here, get used to it" (I have heard that...far too many times).
but you love free speech right? why do you have a problem with gay people speaking freely?
 

Baby Tea

Just Ask Frankie
Sep 18, 2008
4,687
0
0
That Dude With A Face said:
I will find my salvation, but we'll see who is burning in Hell at the end of it all.
All right, you hooked me.
That better not be a religious remark about the reasoning behind your hateful attitude for homosexuals. As a Christian, and layman theologian, I'll totally throw hands as to how you're way off.

Unless you aren't Christian, in which case you just like to write terrible cliche lines of imagery at the end of ignorant posts.
Kinda emo.
 

Iseryn

New member
Jul 16, 2009
11
0
0
That Dude With A Face said:
Iseryn said:
That Dude With A Face said:
I was born a man. That's when I decided I was straight. If I was meant to get it on with men, I would have been a woman. It seems a simple-enough concept to me! *Smiles Sweetly*
This does not make sense to me. Please explain why you believe that you being born a man makes you straight, and also why you believe that you are capable of 'choosing' your sexuality immediately upon birth.

I'm impressed that you were born an adult, rather than a boy :p
Forget it. I've tried, but I am tired of you people not being able to see the truth. being gay is a mental disease. It is a very common mental disease. It make you perceive something that goes against nature, and believe that it a truth.

Man + Woman = The way it is supposed to be.

Man + Man or Woman + Woman = Twisted version of the laws of nature.

This isn't just something that I had made up! It wasn't entirely too long ago that it was still on the books as a mental illness.

People who speak out against homosexuality are usually labeled "unenlightened", "out of touch", "intolerant", "bigots", and so forth. And, frankly, I'm sick of it. I say that I don't like gays, and I'm immediately a homophobe. People call me a redneck, and that I am not "Down with the times". Well, if this is where the times are going, then I'd rather not be part of them. First Obama gets elected, and now this shit is going on.

The world is going to Hell on the express line. It cough the red-eye with no layover, just so it could get there quicker. I will find my salvation, but we'll see who is burning in Hell at the end of it all.
Wait, you mean the same nature that has had many incidents in different species of same-sex sexuality?

Also, going against nature - I take it that you're using a computer to post that, something that doesn't pop up in nature. I'm sure I don't need to list everything that you do and use that doesn't just pop up in nature.

Homophobia is fear/hatred of gay people. Saying you don't like gay people for being gay...that does come off as a judgment against homosexuality (and also bisexuality).

Why do you object to Obama?

Since you just mentioned Hell, I'm going to make a leap and assume that you are religious, probably Christianity. Would you mind saying which religion you follow, and what branch of that religion you specifically believe in? I'd like to get a better fix on what it is that you believe.

Talking of illnesses on the books, do you know about hysteria?

It cough the red-eye with no layover

I'm sorry, but I don't know what you mean with this phrase, I'd appreciate it if you clarified that also.

Thank you for your time!
 

cobra_ky

New member
Nov 20, 2008
1,643
0
0
That Dude With A Face said:
Iseryn said:
That Dude With A Face said:
I was born a man. That's when I decided I was straight. If I was meant to get it on with men, I would have been a woman. It seems a simple-enough concept to me! *Smiles Sweetly*
This does not make sense to me. Please explain why you believe that you being born a man makes you straight, and also why you believe that you are capable of 'choosing' your sexuality immediately upon birth.

I'm impressed that you were born an adult, rather than a boy :p
Forget it. I've tried, but I am tired of you people not being able to see the truth. being gay is a mental disease. It is a very common mental disease. It make you perceive something that goes against nature, and believe that it a truth.

Man + Woman = The way it is supposed to be.

Man + Man or Woman + Woman = Twisted version of the laws of nature.

This isn't just something that I had made up! It wasn't entirely too long ago that it was still on the books as a mental illness.
there's a reason they took it off. it's the same reason they out the part about "imbalance of the humours."

That Dude With A Face said:
People who speak out against homosexuality are usually labeled "unenlightened", "out of touch", "intolerant", "bigots", and so forth. And, frankly, I'm sick of it. I say that I don't like gays, and I'm immediately a homophobe. People call me a redneck, and that I am not "Down with the times". Well, if this is where the times are going, then I'd rather not be part of them. First Obama gets elected, and now this shit is going on.
"not liking gays" is pretty much the definition of homophobia. i know the etymology doesn't match but that's how the english language is.



sorry to see you're giving up. it's been a long time since i've had this good an argument about homosexuality. thanks and good luck with the whole salvation/seeing people burn in hell thing!


EDIT: missed the double post:


That Dude With A Face said:
The same problems I have with Nazis or the National Socialists speaking freely. They are trying to get us to believe something that, deep down, we all know is wrong.
you're confusing "yourself" for "us all".
 

cobra_ky

New member
Nov 20, 2008
1,643
0
0
let's please not get this thread derailed/locked by getting into obama or religion, plz.

Iseryn said:
I'm sorry, but I don't know what you mean with this phrase, I'd appreciate it if you clarified that also.
a "red-eye with no layover" is an airplane flight in the middle of the night with no stops. the implication is that america has gone to hell remarkably quickly. i agree with him on the pace but not the destination.
 

Catchy Slogan

New member
Jun 17, 2009
1,931
0
0
It's nice that EA is trying to make the world a better place and all, but wouldn't it be better for the online community to get rid off all the idiots who think bigotry is fun, and do something about all forms of bullying.

But, I can understand that some issues are more pressing than others and take priority.
 

Iseryn

New member
Jul 16, 2009
11
0
0
cobra_ky said:
let's please not get this thread derailed/locked by getting into obama or religion, plz.
Sorry about the kinda-derailing, I got caught up in trying to find the foundation of his argument for his beliefs about homosexuality. The Obama thing, that was interest in a non-related topic so apologies for that also :)

cobra_ky said:
Iseryn said:
I'm sorry, but I don't know what you mean with this phrase, I'd appreciate it if you clarified that also.
a "red-eye with no layover" is an airplane flight in the middle of the night with no stops. the implication is that america has gone to hell remarkably quickly. i agree with him on the pace but not the destination.
Thank you for the explanation :)

On-topic: I think it's a good idea for a panel to talk about homophobia in gaming. I'm all for increasing awareness of the nature of prejudice and how -isms affect the lives of people.

To me safespaces doesn't mean LGBT people only, it means a space where someone will not be attacked for being LGBT or being perceived to be LGBT, and where the idea of LGBT will not be dismissed, insulted or otherwise demeaned.
 

Iseryn

New member
Jul 16, 2009
11
0
0
That Dude With A Face said:
As far as nature goes, I don't mean "The Wild". I mean the natural order and behavior of things.

I'm a Christian. I don't really know what kind of Christian I am, but I tend to go to a "Church of Christ".

And, finally, what I mean by It cough the red-eye with no layover, is that it cought the first flight available withe no delays (layovers), as to get there as fast as it can. I guess that it would be the same thing as saying that we are speeding there, but I thought an analogy would be better suited there.
Thank you for your response and clarification of that term.

That Dude With A Face said:
Baby Tea said:
That Dude With A Face said:
I will find my salvation, but we'll see who is burning in Hell at the end of it all.
All right, you hooked me.
That better not be a religious remark about the reasoning behind your hateful attitude for homosexuals. As a Christian, and layman theologian, I'll totally throw hands as to how you're way off.

Unless you aren't Christian, in which case you just like to write terrible cliche lines of imagery at the end of ignorant posts.
Kinda emo.
No, that isn't why I hate gays. While I am Christian, our beliefs do not tell us to hate the gays.
At this point, I'm not sure whether me asking you for further information on your beliefs about natural order and homosexuality would be derailing or not. If it is, I would like to continue this discussion via PM, if you are willing, of course.
 

Dogmeat T Dingo

New member
Sep 4, 2008
115
0
0
Treblaine said:
I must congratulate you for maturity. To be tolerant in the face of intolerance and dedication to freedom of speech something to be commended for.

In other ways I kinda agree with you. Many gay right activists completely fail as they try to be as flamboyant as possible it only encourages outrage and alienation amongst the straight population plus enforce negative stereotypes. Proposition 8 is a horrible law in California that is usually such a liberal state except Gay activists there made no effort to appeal to the wider straight majority. What about all the Latino and African American families, they make up a huge part of the voting population of California and the Gay community has done nothing to endear them self to them but seems to tease them "I know you can't stand us but you better vote for our cause because 'that's equality', nener nener neee neeer!"

I personally think California's referendum style Propositions are HORRIBLE. It hijacks government away from elected officials into the hands of special interest groups. Now the state is billions of dollars in debt I place the blame squarely at the weak government, they should abandon their proposition system and repeal all laws passed by proposition.

Hitler and Mussolini loved referendums, as it is easy to propagandise to millions of people to create a populist cause on simple issues rather than in a parliament/senate where it is too easy for one person to stand up and destroy an argument. On the streets, you can't argue with a propaganda poster, the flow is one way into the population from only one perspective. California's propositions are even worse as you need at least one politician to start a referendum, in California it is possible to get a law passed without any elected legislature having any input or debate over it! At ALL!

In a referendum... the mob always wins, the majority always beats minorities regardless of how unjust their cause is.
I'm going to go totally off-topic here, but...

Yes, I agree with that, and I've said as much on one of the Prop 8 threads that pop up here. The thing is with time there WILL be gay marriage, but it will come through the legislature and the will of the people, not through things like propositions and supreme court rulings.

If anything the way gay activists behave in the US baffles me. I live in Australia where gay people have no rights, no marriage or civil unions. If we want to have a recognized relationship we have to wait many years, go through reams of paperwork and fight in court to prove we love each other, and then they give us the privilage of being considered a de facto couple, only with less recognition than a straight de facto couple. I and my monogamous partner of five years would LOVE to get a civil union. It's not the same obviously but seeing activits in the US screaming for more can sometimes feel like being a hungry person in a third world country reading an overweight food critic's negative review for a five star restaurant.
 

_phoenix_

New member
Jul 16, 2009
1
0
0
That Dude With A Face said:
As far as nature goes, I don't mean "The Wild". I mean the natural order and behavior of things.
I thought that was quaint. Terribly without merit, but quaint.

The problem lies within the hyper-masculinized world of gaming, and the desire to "pwn" someone. The reason people associate all online idiots with pre and teen males is because this is the stem of such behaviour. Why do you think there's always so much stress in the media about video games and violence (male violence by the way, i don't think anyone's worried that players of the imagine series are going to wake up one morning and throttle their parents.) Excuse the outsiders point of view, but america does present itself as a highly polarized gender society, where men should be masculine and play football and drink beer, and women should be at home, cooking a turkey and being (desperate) housewives. This is EXTREMELY generalized, so don't jump on my back about the truth of it, but it's certainly the way america externally presents itself through media (movies, video games, music)... Because of the high-proportion of american gamers online, and the huge problem in america with ingrained homophobia, it tends to be that the problem in gaming comes down to one of homophobia. And because a huge number of gamers are male, and the engrained homophobia in america comes down not to disassociation but abuse, there's a huge amount of homophobic abuse in online gaming.

If the offending abusers could stop the abuse (when you kill someone, you don't have to insult them as well... really!!), the there might not be a need for these conferences. But as long as it continues, this type of conference can only help the gaming industry.

The argument of "gay doesn't mean gay anymore" falls flat because it's not about what you intend it to mean, it's about the social stigma attached to the term. Nobody uses the "n" word anymore without knowing that it will cause a problem. If someone wants to cause a problem and be racist, they use it or something equally as bad. The term used for self-identification by homosexual men (and many homosexual women) is being used as a insult term, pure and simple, and any use of that term in a derogatory fashion by a person who is not an in-group member is offensive. Don't try and justify it's use by lack of intention, because if someone started going around using the "n" word, because it now means "left-handed", would be hung, drawn and quartered by the first african-descended person who heard them.

For all people advocating the "don't tell" policy, that you shouldn't say anything because "you'll know what's coming"... THAT is part of the problem. That it is acceptable within the community that homosexual players be abused on the basis of their orientation is discrimination. As a hypothetical, how well do you think it would work if games companies banned all references to "chicks" having "great tits"... Because, frankly, that's shoving heterosexuality down other peoples throats. It wouldn't work, why, because it's the opinion of the majority. It's still discrimination, the sexual objectification of women. But it's been institutionalised in the western world, that it's "ok" for women to be nothing but objects for the sexual pleasure of men. Anybody out there who owns Red Alert 3 should just open up the manual and have a look at the cast for the game. I don't think the ladies were hired for their acting ability. My point... It's not about the idea of the majority being right. A gamer should be able to advocate who or what he or she is, in any aspect, wherever they want. If someone starts going into detailed retellings of their latest sexual escapade, then that's pretty inappropriate in most settings, whether heterosexual or homosexual, but to simply be proud of who they are is not something worthy of abuse. Basically, for those of you saying "it's not wrong, but you should've expected what you get", that's institutionalising the discrimination, which leads to it being accepted. Anyone with half a brain knows that discrimination is wrong. And that is what this is fighting against.

Whatever anyone's personal view on homosexuality is, it doesn't make it right to be the accepted insult of online gaming. It makes it a very uncomfortable place for LGBT gamers to even approach, and there's a fair amount of us out there.

If YOU don't want gaming to involve political, religious or other opinionated discussions, then YOU stay away from it (that "you" is directed at anyone who agrees with the statement, not towards any posters on this thread). Video gaming will stay in this dark ages if it doesn't accept opinions and ideas that challenge and promote growth. Imagine if nobody had injected challenging ideas into films. Or books. Art forms and expressive media can only grow when the audience is challenged. Sure, there are always various exemplars of media of which some have artistic value and literary merit, and some which don't. But keeping ideas out of video games means we'll be playing Call of Duty 37 sometime soon, and it will STILL be reliving WWII.
 

Baby Tea

Just Ask Frankie
Sep 18, 2008
4,687
0
0
That Dude With A Face said:
Baby Tea said:
That Dude With A Face said:
I will find my salvation, but we'll see who is burning in Hell at the end of it all.
All right, you hooked me.
That better not be a religious remark about the reasoning behind your hateful attitude for homosexuals. As a Christian, and layman theologian, I'll totally throw hands as to how you're way off.

Unless you aren't Christian, in which case you just like to write terrible cliche lines of imagery at the end of ignorant posts.
Kinda emo.
No, that isn't why I hate gays. While I am Christian, our beliefs do not tell us to hate the gays.
Wait wait. 'Our' beliefs tell us to not just 'not hate' homosexuals, but love them.
If you are truly a Christian, you're talking and acting in direct conflict with the beliefs you claim to hold.