EA: "If The Sims 4 Isn't Successful, There Won't be a Sims 5"
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What makes more sense? Not buying it unless it is up to your standards. That, I'm not arguing. But to me, it is asinine to expect a company to make a sequel to a game that underperformed, describing it as "holding the series hostage" when a producer expresses concerns about making a sequel to a game that underperformed.Bindal said:
You want to vote with your wallet? More power to you. That's how gamers should have their voices heard. However, if you are going to vote with your wallet, don't get upset when the publisher decides "This game isn't selling, so we won't waste our time with a sequel". Sure, YOU may be thinking "I'm going to boycott this game because it isn't up to my standards," but that's not what the stockholders see. All they see is that the game isn't selling. It sucks, but that's what happens.
Let's put it this way. You are the CEO of a company beholden to your shareholders. You don't make the money, you are looking at cutting staff at the very least, and possibly even shutting down studios. If you have a game that under-performs, causing you to have to let staff go, why on Earth would you make another game in the series?
Really??
Well then, PLEASE, by all means, kill that franchise! Don't do a Sims 5!
Remove yourself from the market EA; one franchise at a time.
Well then, PLEASE, by all means, kill that franchise! Don't do a Sims 5!
Remove yourself from the market EA; one franchise at a time.
No, that doesn't work, because we shouldn't have to put ourselves in anyone's position. They make the product and we damn well expect it to be worthwhile. Over-complicating it by saying we have to feel for or understand them is pointless.thebobmaster said:
The real issue here is EA has a ridiculous history of fucking up majorly (and that's why people want to hate them, because they've earned it), and that The Sims 4 is no different. Already seeming lackluster at release and not containing some important decorations to many.
EA continuously ignores the complaints and so keep making new problems, and every sarcastic and angry individual here is fucking sick of it. Fuck stockholders! Give us fucking good quality (especially since they're selling at full price with DLC) or you are gonna be scrutinised, criticised and eventually ripped to shreds.
I haven't played a sims game since the 1st one, so can't say I am overly bothered by the prospect of there not being a 5th instalment.
That said, this is a classic example of the kind of behaviour that earns EA accolades like "worst company in America". They have a hugely popular franchise, that with a little common sense and budgetary restraint would be a guaranteed cash cow, and they systematically produce sequels that introduce features no one wanted, ignoring the improvements that their customers have been asking for. Basically instead of listening to what people want and producing a game accordingly, they produce the game they think people should play and then bury their heads in the sand when the game attracts criticism.
I am all for creative integrity and the right of a creative industry to control it's output, however, that isn't what The Sims is, it is simply a sausage factory style production line designed to make money with slight variations on a basic formula.
And then we come to the EA coup de grace, whenever they produce a product that no one wants, and can't fathom why the sales don't live up to expectations they declare that it must be the customers who aren't interested in the franchise anymore, and then axe a perfectly viable series.
EA doesn't have to be named worst company in America, it IS the worst company in America.
That said, this is a classic example of the kind of behaviour that earns EA accolades like "worst company in America". They have a hugely popular franchise, that with a little common sense and budgetary restraint would be a guaranteed cash cow, and they systematically produce sequels that introduce features no one wanted, ignoring the improvements that their customers have been asking for. Basically instead of listening to what people want and producing a game accordingly, they produce the game they think people should play and then bury their heads in the sand when the game attracts criticism.
I am all for creative integrity and the right of a creative industry to control it's output, however, that isn't what The Sims is, it is simply a sausage factory style production line designed to make money with slight variations on a basic formula.
And then we come to the EA coup de grace, whenever they produce a product that no one wants, and can't fathom why the sales don't live up to expectations they declare that it must be the customers who aren't interested in the franchise anymore, and then axe a perfectly viable series.
EA doesn't have to be named worst company in America, it IS the worst company in America.
.....This is actually how I want things to work. I don't care about "The Sims" in particular, but if this means that my ongoing boycotts against Assassins Creed, Amazing Spider-Man, and anything even remotely resembling a sequel to DMC, then I take this as a step in the right direction.
Think of the precedent this could set, companies actually giving up on franchises when they lose enough fans. This could go really, really well.
Think of the precedent this could set, companies actually giving up on franchises when they lose enough fans. This could go really, really well.
Unless EA is the first company to do so. If EA does it, it's automatically a bad idea. At least, that's the impression I'm getting.OrokuSaki said:
I'm not going to lie I'm kind of glade EA are being jerks again now we can all forget any previous arguments and gang up on a malty-national corporation that doesn't care about our opinion. I'm seriously hoping that EA adds their "innovative" ideas from dungeon master to Dragon Age: Inquisition just to distract people from other topics.
Goddamn EA, stripping several features away from a game in order to hold them for ransom and then threaten to kill off the franchise if it doesn't sell well? It's like you WANT your company to tank.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Why would EA sell it? If they cant make any money from it they will make damn sure no one else can and probably shut down any successful fan project which makes a better game.aelreth said:
Publisher selling off a franchise they plan to never use again and make fans happy while making a little bit of money by doing a decision that makes sense? What kind of beautiful world do you live in?
This one. Stranger things have happened. Gonna have to tag you for that post, though. We're bein' civil here.spartandude said:
I have mixed feelings about this.
On one hand, it feels like EA is blaming us for the potential death of its darling child - then again, it's more than happy to get rid of it if it isn't successful. It's like, "Buy our piece of shit or you won't get another piece of shit!"
On the other hand, a piece of shit is still a piece of shit, and it's better than nothing, but this might be a good thing. Let it die. Euthanise it, it's much better than letting EA butcher it like an insane maniac, then watch it pathetically crawl without legs for a while before just kind of disappearing.
Dilemmas, dilemmas... well, I suppose it's up to the fans whether or not they want the series to continue.
On one hand, it feels like EA is blaming us for the potential death of its darling child - then again, it's more than happy to get rid of it if it isn't successful. It's like, "Buy our piece of shit or you won't get another piece of shit!"
On the other hand, a piece of shit is still a piece of shit, and it's better than nothing, but this might be a good thing. Let it die. Euthanise it, it's much better than letting EA butcher it like an insane maniac, then watch it pathetically crawl without legs for a while before just kind of disappearing.
Dilemmas, dilemmas... well, I suppose it's up to the fans whether or not they want the series to continue.
Well fuck you then. I'll stick to The Sims 2 and 3 forever.
If I'm not buying The Sims 4, it's because it's a watered-down piece of shit, not because I don't like the Sims anymore. I want to buy a new Sims game, just not this one.
If I'm not buying The Sims 4, it's because it's a watered-down piece of shit, not because I don't like the Sims anymore. I want to buy a new Sims game, just not this one.
Believe me i wish that would happen. But publishers sadly tend to kill off a franchise and hold on to it. Maybe making a small game years and years down the line. I think its mostly because if they sell the franchise and then the new company makes a successful game with it the shareholders would be pissed. I remember Jim Sterling saying something like "Publishers would rather have all the money or none of it.".... stupid publishers.aelreth said:
EA... EA, EA, EA.
Holding a potentially better game with the sales success of a terrible one is not going to win customers over. I am not going to fall for such tactics, and your getting none of my business until you stop holding a gun to my head for not purchasing every single thing you ever make.
Holding a potentially better game with the sales success of a terrible one is not going to win customers over. I am not going to fall for such tactics, and your getting none of my business until you stop holding a gun to my head for not purchasing every single thing you ever make.
I prefer "One step forward onto a landmine, body flies 12 steps back."Elfgore said:
Straight up, I read the title wrong. I thought it said "If the Sims 4 -is- successful", rather than "isn't". I was like "This is supposed to be an end to all of the DLC and repurchasing the same game over and over and over again to keep filling up EA's pockets of money? This is the point where our money is supposed to actually matter, and the madness finally ends?
Either way, I didn't believe it for a second. And I still don't believe them. If the Sims 4 isn't successful, they'll keep releasing expansion packs and everything, just by taking all the content from the previous game and photoshopping the number up one point. And when they get bored of that, they'll release the Sims 5 and make the same thinly veiled threats.
If they genuinely don't release the Sims 5.... who exactly cares? Considering the 4th's core is even weaker than the 2nd or 3rd's, and the promise of DLC is right around the corner, it seems obvious to the world that the Sims 3 was the definitive Sims experience, and it seems to be complete at this point. With other game companies, even Nintendo with their Mario Link Pokemon, those within can reasonably claim that they've been and still are trying to make it worth buying with new elements. If any company is guilty of doing the exact same thing each cycle, it's EA.
Either way, I didn't believe it for a second. And I still don't believe them. If the Sims 4 isn't successful, they'll keep releasing expansion packs and everything, just by taking all the content from the previous game and photoshopping the number up one point. And when they get bored of that, they'll release the Sims 5 and make the same thinly veiled threats.
If they genuinely don't release the Sims 5.... who exactly cares? Considering the 4th's core is even weaker than the 2nd or 3rd's, and the promise of DLC is right around the corner, it seems obvious to the world that the Sims 3 was the definitive Sims experience, and it seems to be complete at this point. With other game companies, even Nintendo with their Mario Link Pokemon, those within can reasonably claim that they've been and still are trying to make it worth buying with new elements. If any company is guilty of doing the exact same thing each cycle, it's EA.
