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EA Still Confident in BioWare
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That EA feels the need to express confidence in BioWare at all is troubling, especially given their track record.
As for BioWare themselves, I find I can't condemn them outright: mistakes have been made, I don't think anyone can deny that, but they've gotten a lot of things right too. Who cares about repetitive dungeons in DA2 when Isabela and Aveline are having the most hilarious discussion about Donnic's habits in bed? ME3's ending was a little harder to forgive (to this day I can't listen to the Catalyst without gritting my teeth), but I respect the intent behind the Extended Cut and so much of that game provoked emotional reactions for me - Thane's death, Tali drunk-dialing Javik, the amazing love scene with Kaidan, etc.
And really, it's not like we should be romanticizing BW's past either - "Baldur's Gate" and "Jade Empire" were and still are fantastic games, but they were guilty of the occasional misstep too. But their games have developed over time, and some aspects clearly have evolved for the better: look at how morality works in BG2 (evil is punished even though it's an option), in DA:O (separate approval for every companion based on their characterization) and in ME3 (one Reputation bar means you aren't penalized for being Paragon in some situations and Renegade in others). Look at how same-sex romance has gone from being something that needed active metagaming (JE) to honest portrayals that are fully equal to heteronormative relationships (DA2, ME3).
So for me, it comes down to one question: what are they going to do next? What lessons have they learned from recent mistakes? What's their next opportunity to demonstrate progress? If they can show me that kind of upward mobility, it'll be easier to forgive them when they stumble along the way.
As for BioWare themselves, I find I can't condemn them outright: mistakes have been made, I don't think anyone can deny that, but they've gotten a lot of things right too. Who cares about repetitive dungeons in DA2 when Isabela and Aveline are having the most hilarious discussion about Donnic's habits in bed? ME3's ending was a little harder to forgive (to this day I can't listen to the Catalyst without gritting my teeth), but I respect the intent behind the Extended Cut and so much of that game provoked emotional reactions for me - Thane's death, Tali drunk-dialing Javik, the amazing love scene with Kaidan, etc.
And really, it's not like we should be romanticizing BW's past either - "Baldur's Gate" and "Jade Empire" were and still are fantastic games, but they were guilty of the occasional misstep too. But their games have developed over time, and some aspects clearly have evolved for the better: look at how morality works in BG2 (evil is punished even though it's an option), in DA:O (separate approval for every companion based on their characterization) and in ME3 (one Reputation bar means you aren't penalized for being Paragon in some situations and Renegade in others). Look at how same-sex romance has gone from being something that needed active metagaming (JE) to honest portrayals that are fully equal to heteronormative relationships (DA2, ME3).
So for me, it comes down to one question: what are they going to do next? What lessons have they learned from recent mistakes? What's their next opportunity to demonstrate progress? If they can show me that kind of upward mobility, it'll be easier to forgive them when they stumble along the way.
I would almost prefer that, at least Bioware's death would be quick and clean not slow and having various body parts flying off and doing unspeakable things (Bioware Command and Conquer game anyone?)praetor_alpha said:
The NAME Bioware could still be considered successful yes, (for how long that remains true could be debatable with EA sticking it on everything.) The company itself, you could make a good argument that it's still going strong. Its just that it traded in allot of goodwill and mulitple IPs in order to do so.animehermit said:
Am I seriously the only person that not only enjoyed Dragon Age 2 and Mass effect 3, but thought they were both absolutely incredible games that showed a great deal of astounding work was put into?
I still put the Dragon Age games as my favorite RPGs of all time.
Captcha: love-hate
This thing is creepy.
I still put the Dragon Age games as my favorite RPGs of all time.
Captcha: love-hate
This thing is creepy.
Dragon Age 2 was just a trip in their path, then they got Mass Effect 3, which got fanboys pissed, meanwhile the people who just wanted to play a shooter got what they wanted. The Old Republic (in my opinion) was awful, but from my before trying it standpoint, it was just another Bioware game. People didn't like it as much as they'd hoped, but they still stand, and allowed more people to check it out.
Bioware's not going away anytime soon, but they should probably be wary of their steps. They make too many mistakes and NO ONE will want their games anymore. EDIT: E.A.'s support will help them, but not for much longer if they keep falling down.
Bioware's not going away anytime soon, but they should probably be wary of their steps. They make too many mistakes and NO ONE will want their games anymore. EDIT: E.A.'s support will help them, but not for much longer if they keep falling down.
That's nice
Won't stop every single game bio ware is now involved in from having a four point conversation dial, pointless good vs bad system, narrative choices that won't effect the end game whatsoever and more shallow romances.
Something about bioware has been dead for a while now
Maybe it was all the talented writers seeing DA2 and running away screaming
Won't stop every single game bio ware is now involved in from having a four point conversation dial, pointless good vs bad system, narrative choices that won't effect the end game whatsoever and more shallow romances.
Something about bioware has been dead for a while now
Maybe it was all the talented writers seeing DA2 and running away screaming
Unless there were rumors of EA intending to shut down Bioware, how is this news?
What is there to discuss? It's just a continuation of the Status-quo.
Both companies have a tarnished reputation in light of recent events, but ultimately: EA owns Bioware, Bioware makes games for EA.
I don't get it. *shrugs*
What is there to discuss? It's just a continuation of the Status-quo.
Both companies have a tarnished reputation in light of recent events, but ultimately: EA owns Bioware, Bioware makes games for EA.
I don't get it. *shrugs*
Ahhhh Fappy, my dear friend, been a while since we've been in direct communication.Fappy said:
Seems to me that Moore is just saying what has already been made evident: say what you want about Bioware, they ARE/HAVE taken steps to fix what fans didn't like about their games. We haven't had a chance to see if they'll get rid of all the things people didn't like about DA2, but it certainly seems like they're trying to rework TOR (don't have it, so I can really only go by what I hear on the matter) and they DEFINITELY took steps to remedy the situation with ME3 (say what you want about the EC, it still shows that they did something about all the criticism they received rather than simply shrugging it off, saying "oh well", and moving on to the next project).
Perhaps I'm just an eternal optimist, but I just can't bring myself to hate Bioware. I still have faith in their work, and can't wait to see Dragon Age 3 (especially if the rumors about it as posted here in an article a few days ago turn out to be true).
The above comments were writen by someone who genuinely enjoyed DA 2 despite it's large list of flaws due to having an understanding of the story that it seems few others have. The above comments were also writen by someone who was simply disappointed with the original ending to ME 3, not out-right raging, and thought that the EC was perfect, allowing Mass Effect to solidify itself as his Greatest Game Series of All Time, without question. If that makes me a "Bioware Fanboy", then fuck you, I guess I'm a Fanboy.
I may be the odd one out but I enjoyed both bulletstorm and even syndicate. and like jim said I am not going to punish the developer for what the publishers do, I almost (almost) feel sorry for ea, no matter what they say people turn it into something different just so they can hate on ea, there is not liking EA (they have done some pretty bad stuff) but this has just gotten to the point of ridiculous. Yes I hate origin but a simple solution is to buy a physical pc copy of there game and then use a crack, that way they see people buying there games but not using the serviceQuiotu said:
And the extended cut could have been a whole lot better but at the same time we should be grateful that bioware did that, but yet many people seem to just spit it back in there faces.
Dear EA,
Of course you have "confidence" in Bioware, since they've been doing what you suggest.
I hope you realise, in your boardroom meetings, that every failure they've had in the past 18 months were likely entirely your fault.
Sincerely,
You fucking suck.
Of course you have "confidence" in Bioware, since they've been doing what you suggest.
I hope you realise, in your boardroom meetings, that every failure they've had in the past 18 months were likely entirely your fault.
Sincerely,
You fucking suck.
Ah, that's what I was about to say.Tombfyre said:
I think if EA really did have confidence in Bioware, they wouldn't set ridiculous time limits. They would know that the end product would be awesome and so they would give them the appropriate time. Sure, a publisher has to push sometimes, but not to the EA extent. Oop, went off on a little rant there. My mistake.
From a business' view point it makes sense for EA to have faith in Bioware, they've made them a metric shit-ton of cash (that's a scientific measurement), all the games released while under EA ownership have sold well* though there has been a fan backlash. Add in all the DLC and the F2P aspect of ME3 multiplayer and Bioware is probably the top earner outside of EA Sports which is a license to print money.
*This does include SWTOR, which sold well enough and last long enough to earn back the cost of development, though it won't be printing money for them or killing WoW, and their monitaization(sp?) plan for the F2P sucks and isn't likely to earn them much more then they are already earning off it.
*This does include SWTOR, which sold well enough and last long enough to earn back the cost of development, though it won't be printing money for them or killing WoW, and their monitaization(sp?) plan for the F2P sucks and isn't likely to earn them much more then they are already earning off it.