I understand firing the guy over it, this kind of thing can be a concern for the business, whatever. But criminal charges? Thats overreacting and just being silly.
Eidos Employee Fired Over "Hate Speech" on Facebook
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oh right... sorry, ok, second attempt in 150 years...iniudan said:
Actually, did you know that this guy, the protestor was running for Quebec Solidaire in this election ?Akalabeth said:
just a follow up on that story. Denis Blanchet, the guy that was kill that day will get civic funeral, and the flag at the parliement will be half lowered that day. Also since he had a 4 year daugther, Spectra, the company that was employed him will do a show and all the profits will be donated to her.lordmardok said:
A sorry colony that the British lost hold over? WHUT? we're still a commonwealth country, meaning we still have a connection to their royalty, also, when I look back at the separatists agenda over the years, they tried to separate and become part of France, and France flipped them the bird and told em to fuck off, they then tried to get together and become part of the US, and they were refused before they even got their plans together to try, if Quebec separated it would be fucked, and it would cause everyone harm, as a man from the west coast of the country, I can tell you, that as you move east, until you get past Ontario, all the signs are in English... why? because this isn't new France, it's Canada, and was until the entire structure of the English system changed, the monarchy became outdated, and they switched to a parlaimentary government.draythefingerless said:I don't think you need to be so adamantly hateful of the Partis Quebecois. like America, Canada was a sorry colony the British lost hold over, and they didnt even fight like the Americans did, for it. I'm not in favor of Quebec separating, i think in a world where were trying to be more globalized, more united, segregating sounds stupid.aceman67 said:Tell that to the families of the 5 people who were crushed to death when an overpass collapsed in Laval. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2006/10/01/overpass-collapse.htmlIamLEAM1983 said:
Also: Health care system =/= infrastructure. Infrastructure is Roadways, Power Transmission lines, Telecommunication systems, and waterworks/sewage.
OT: If Quebec does separate, one, if not all, of the following will happen:
1. The first nations won't let Quebec have their lands and will elect to stay with Canada, regardless of a separation outcome, which is 80-90% of the province.
2. Parliament will say "Tough cookies" and enact eminent domain (Look it up, the Government has the sovereign right to say 'this land is ours, get out') on the provinces natural resources and flip the 'Parti Quebecois' (AKA Treasonous scum) the bird.
3. Canada will invade, and here's why: Canada won't let the country be (literally and figuratively) split in two, as it would cause undo harm to the nations interests. (This is the opinion of my Father, a retired 25 year veteran of the Canadian Armed Forces)
4. Since over 10,000 people have already put their homes up for sale to move to Ontario because of this situation, I think many many more will follow, leaving what ever 'nation' that comes from this in a sorry state.
I don't think you need your own country, to have your own fucking culture. And on the French thing, languages like french, Spanish, and others, will slowly diminish all over the world, not just Quebec. if it is a language to die, so be it. but hey, Latin died eons ago and we still teach it, so...i wouldn't be worried about it.
Regardless of my thoughts on Quebec, i wouldn't hate PQ. I just hope they do the smart thing and improve Quebec, not harm it by suicidal separation.
Not advocating hate, but seriously, it's hard for a rational individual to understand how they'd be able to do anything even if they tried, their nation would be done in a year or two.
Also, if it weren't for how some of them treat their English speaking Canadian brothers, I don't think that there would be an issue from this side of the argument when it came to bilingual culture, because when you try and buy something, and the guy behind the counter looks at you as if you're lower than dirt, and refuses to speak to you in English or serve you at all, it's honestly surprising that there aren't more assaults reported there.
"...what happened that night was that a man carrying firearms approached the Metropolis theatre, where the PQ victory party was being held, and attempted to enter. He didn't get in, but he did manage to wound two men, one fatally, before setting fire to the back door."Timnoldzim said:
From: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2012/09/07/f-quebec-election-marois-coverage.html
Ah Quebec the one place in Canada were people really do care about their politics.
They just have odd ways of showing it.
But honestly that guy deserved to be fired.
Calling for the death of a democratically elected leader, is not going to win you any points.
My sympathy goes out to the poor guy who died just doing his job and the one who got injured.
Not the moron who got fired at all.
Please Buddha/Thor/Whoever it is up there DONT let another FLQ crisis happen. Harper is just the kind of PM to use martial law too.
Good thing I live two provinces away at least. -sigh- Pass the poutine
They just have odd ways of showing it.
But honestly that guy deserved to be fired.
Calling for the death of a democratically elected leader, is not going to win you any points.
My sympathy goes out to the poor guy who died just doing his job and the one who got injured.
Not the moron who got fired at all.
Please Buddha/Thor/Whoever it is up there DONT let another FLQ crisis happen. Harper is just the kind of PM to use martial law too.
Good thing I live two provinces away at least. -sigh- Pass the poutine
Good.
The gaming industry need far, far less of these subhuman, socially inept troglodytes, and more people who's empathic, thoughtful and willing to examine an issue beyond their first lizard-brain reaction to an issue.
Oh, and if you read this article and your immediate reaction was to slaver about free speech and politically correctness, please disconnect your internet.
The gaming industry need far, far less of these subhuman, socially inept troglodytes, and more people who's empathic, thoughtful and willing to examine an issue beyond their first lizard-brain reaction to an issue.
Oh, and if you read this article and your immediate reaction was to slaver about free speech and politically correctness, please disconnect your internet.
Okay. I've made a lot of jokes in the past about Quebec being Canada's Texas (due to extreme state/provincial pride and separatist rhetoric), but I didn't expect things to go so far as an attempted public assassination with a gun. C'mon, Canada, you're supposed to be the sane ones in our relationship!
As far as the consequences- I agree with the firing. Facebook is basically public speech, and if you say something your employer finds objectionable, you can expect them to react. The investigation is probably more of a procedural thing if anything; I'd be surprised if charges were in fact filed.
As far as the consequences- I agree with the firing. Facebook is basically public speech, and if you say something your employer finds objectionable, you can expect them to react. The investigation is probably more of a procedural thing if anything; I'd be surprised if charges were in fact filed.
It was on the front page of the New York Times and USA Today websites within a few hours of it happening.Timnoldzim said:
Look. Let me break things down for you. We won BY A MINORITY. Quebec's sovereignty will not and will - never - be brought up for debate under those conditions. The province's parliament still is largely occupied by Liberals and the PQ's forced alliance with the CAQ is going to make any talks of referendums by initiative absolutely impossible to maintain.aceman67 said:
Go back to 1995 and move forward from there. You'll see that most of those in my generation fail to connect with René Levesque's project for the province. Separating made sense in the sixties, back when we were the "White Niggers of America", so to speak. You couldn't speak a lick of French on Sainte Catherine Street in the middle of downtown Montreal, and francophones were being serviced the way Americans treated Blacks. You had institutions for the French and institutions for the English because, hey, we're obviously all Lower Canada scum, amirite?
We used to need to fight to protect our language and culture. That no longer applies, mostly because everyone's bilingual to a certain degree and because we *have* achieved a certain amount of international recognition on our own, without seceding from Canada. Ubisoft Montreal? There's a boatload of us frogs in there. Same with Eidos Montreal and, soon enough, Warner Bros. Montreal. That goes without mentioning our contribution to arts and culture in general. Bombardier, the guy behind Skidoo and Sea-Doo? Also a good ol' Québécois.
The overpass incident really is proof enough that Quebec - under any government whatsoever - cannot adequately handle its roads. I won't dispute that. I also won't dispute the fact that this incident happened under *Liberal* rule, a solid eight years marked with a general contempt for public services across the board.
So please, don't spew ridiculous accusations like that. If Pauline Marois were guilty of high treason, we've have heard about it on my side, and her being elected would have IMMEDIATELY resulted into a political shitstorm. It didn't. The assassination attempt against her wasn't the work of some hyper-motivated freedom fighter, it was the work of an unhinged guy whose career depended on certain government prograns which are now in jeopardy. Rather than wait to see what would become of his applications to make his piece of land private, Bain jumped to conclusions, got himself a rifle and figured he'd wrest justice out of Marois' hands for himself - and supposedly others - at gunpoint.
Newsflash. Politics don't work that way. Ottawa might bring up the law of eminent domain, but if you've studied the country's history, you should be well aware that a good chunk of the country's land used to be a French possession. I can't claim to be able to grasp the fufll particulars of how eminent domain could be countered in this case, but I'm pretty sure that in a hypothetical and highly unlikely case where sovereignty would be attainable, some sort of means to counter it would be brought up in short order.
Also, concerning your associated image?
That was some seriously bad taste, dude. Honestly.
Whoa, there. Yes, some of us have trouble learning English or can't put up with it. Every culture has its share of crazy-ass zealots who wouldn't mind starting shit. In our case, the FLQ more or less burned itself, seeing as killing a government official made everyone understand we weren't up for any kind of aggressive or lethal means of acquiring sovereignty. You'll always find the occasional Left-wing extremist in some college campus, but we're in 2012. Most of us know killing others won't bring us any closer to having a country all our own.DoomyMcDoom said:
You could also tell that to anybody who's inordinately hateful of people who don't agree with their own opinions. I don't see much of a difference between the occasional pseudo FLQ nutjob and some American right-wingers who cheerfully demand Obama's head on a platter.
Plus, consider that the generation gap is important in determining who does and doesn't speak English. My mother was born close to Gaspé, a chunk of Quebec where you had more odds of bumping into Elvis Prestley reborn than someone who speaks English. Naturally, once she moved to Montreal with my father, she started having trouble adjusting.
My father, on the other hand, is a born-and-bred Montrealer. Being from the sixties, he didn't exactly learn English in class, but he adapted far better than my mother did. I, on the other hand, ended up taking Bilingual English classes, putting me pretty much at 100% fluency.
Imagine you're a store owner of a certain age. You don't speak a lick of Spanish, and a hardcore Madrid native comes up to you. Wouldn't you have a confused and slightly hostile or defensive attitude? You don't speak Spanish for one bit, after all, so the language might sound pretty freaking weird to you, and probably much too fast for your liking.
It's the same thing, here. A lot of folks past a certain age are more or less a bit late when it comes to getting used to English's idiosyncrasies. My grandmother, bless her heart, is incredibly, even hilariously racist. It's not a case of her being a backwoods redneck French Canadian - she was just raised in a context where you didn't *need* to learn more than French to get by. That's changed, and she can't adjust properly. Hence, her racism.
Hmm, well I think this is a sign we need free speech protections online, either that or incresed guarantees of anonimity. When you start seeing companies firing employees for speaking their mind, even in an extreme way, that strikes me as being a problem.
See, in this case as I understand it we have a politician pretty much declaring open revolution against the rest of their country (Quebec becoming independant from Canada). With a position like that, it's not shocking that it inspired violence, and that there are people who actually approve of taking this leader out at any cost. Me, I'm more Pro-Canada and it's unity than anything myself given that Canada is an ally of the US, so take that for what it's worth. In an extreme situation like this taking action against the employee is wrong, and kind of shows support for the other side of the fence.
I know my opinions are doubtlessly those of a minority, but honestly I think Canadians who don't support this whole "Free Quebec" thing might want to consider writing in letters to Eidos the same way, protesting the desician.
To be brutally honest I think this is gradually getting bigger than just this kind of incident, it's been brewing for a while, I think Canada needs to get it's house in line, and understand that this kind of revolution really isn't the kind of thing you can resolve with dialogue. Especially when that dialogue is already leading to divides between Canadians and French-Speaking Canadians that are increasingly large. A few years ago they did that whole "Cube" car promotion and it was somewhat contreversial that they split the Canadian winners into "French" and "non-French" at that end. That's trivial, but it's how things like this progress, and when you have revolutionary parties getting leaders elected like this... yeah. Not good, and absolutly hideous to put down.
See, in this case as I understand it we have a politician pretty much declaring open revolution against the rest of their country (Quebec becoming independant from Canada). With a position like that, it's not shocking that it inspired violence, and that there are people who actually approve of taking this leader out at any cost. Me, I'm more Pro-Canada and it's unity than anything myself given that Canada is an ally of the US, so take that for what it's worth. In an extreme situation like this taking action against the employee is wrong, and kind of shows support for the other side of the fence.
I know my opinions are doubtlessly those of a minority, but honestly I think Canadians who don't support this whole "Free Quebec" thing might want to consider writing in letters to Eidos the same way, protesting the desician.
To be brutally honest I think this is gradually getting bigger than just this kind of incident, it's been brewing for a while, I think Canada needs to get it's house in line, and understand that this kind of revolution really isn't the kind of thing you can resolve with dialogue. Especially when that dialogue is already leading to divides between Canadians and French-Speaking Canadians that are increasingly large. A few years ago they did that whole "Cube" car promotion and it was somewhat contreversial that they split the Canadian winners into "French" and "non-French" at that end. That's trivial, but it's how things like this progress, and when you have revolutionary parties getting leaders elected like this... yeah. Not good, and absolutly hideous to put down.
Hate Speech is protected speech under the First Amendment of the United States Constitution. There is no exception for it. In fact, I cannot think of another country that has free speech the way Americans understand it. For his speech to not be protected in the United States, a prosecutor would have to prove it was a serious or imminent threat. I don't think there is enough there, to be honest. Saying someone should die isn't the same as saying you are going to cause their death.MelasZepheos said:
Keep in mind, Americans do not have a constitutional list of freedoms, because that would cheapen them. Legally establishing such a list is not consistent with how our government is supposed to function. We have a list of things the government can do, and a list of things the government cannot do, which includes any and every power not specifically granted to it.
As long as Quebecers* consider the Bloc Quebecois and the Parti Quebecois are considered to be legitimate political parties (as opposed to fringe or joke parties, like the Marijuana party or the Rhino Party), the question is not "if Quebec separates" as much as it is "when Quebec is independent". Either Quebec will actually vote to leave or the rest of Canada will vote to kick Quebec out, with the second option gaining far more strength as the Conservatives consolidate popularity and power in Canada.Talvrae said:
*This is a general statement as is not intended to imply that you as an individual support either the Bloc or the PQ.
re: Free Speech in Canada
We don't have the same sort of Freedom of Speech in Canada as there is found in the USA. It's sad but true - if One Eyed One Horned Flying Purple People Eaters were a recognized race, and I were to say "Someone should just shoot all those OEOHFPPE's and have done with it.", a OEOHFPPE could take me to a human rights commission for infringing on their human rights. And the likelihood of the HR Commission taking my side in the matter is quite low, since the OEOHFPPE wouldn't have to pay for their side of the legal action - but I would have to pay for mine.
It's a rather large bone of contention among many politically active Canadians, particularly Conservatives, and one of the few area's that I align myself with them. Get rid of the stupid commissions! If the speech is dangerous, take it to the legal system, not some bureaucratic commission.
re: This Twit.
I'm glad the company fired him. I'm even more glad that they consulted their legal department first to make sure they could fire him before they fired him. I may consider the PQ and Bloc to be the lowest form of Canadian political life, but the distance between my disdain for their actions and their politics, and any hint of outright murder of Bloc or PQ elected officials is so vast I would vote for one before I suggested their deaths.
calm down now buddy, my post was a joke, not sure about the other guy's. I also agree with you on the whole "Employer has a right to fire you" thing.Mr.Tea said:
Separatists? Assassination? Canada is the last place I would have looked for political intrigue.
Seriously, I am more interested int eh Separatists than this guy, that sounds interesting.
Seriously, I am more interested int eh Separatists than this guy, that sounds interesting.
I read his first quote and thought 'he got fired for what was obviously a joke? That is ridiculous' then I read his follow-up comment and thought 'ohhhhhh, he's a nutter.'
What a stupid dick.
What a stupid dick.
Quebec city might look extreamly beautiful, but you can't run a country on a pretty city... and Montreal.Soviet Heavy said:
I didn't even know the french still wanted to rebel.
OT: He could've gone to Ubisoft Montreal, they atleast think of good assassins. *Slaps knee*