Election thread
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Nervous Energy combined with the end of Daylight saving time got me up earlier than I need to take my family member to radiation today. Figured what else would I do with my time, ya know?
Only if Biden turns out to have scary communist mind control powers for reals.
But yeah, going to drag on for a few days (with lots of "This just in, something that may or may not influence the final result to a greater or lesser degree", I'd imagine). Or a coup right away.
Another thing to note, this election is a referendum on Trump. Period. As much as he's tried to change that by focusing on Hunter, "Socialists running the country", etc. Except the problem is that Trump has been holding the administration bag for the last 4 years(and his party has controlled all or part of congress for the same period). COVID happened under his watch, the recession(including millions of job losses) happened under his watch, kids in cages happened under his watch, the civil unrest of this summer happened under his watch.
He keeps trying to point at Biden at say "Under Biden, the economy will be trash, riots will be happening, etc" when it's already happening now, when he's in charge. Which implicitly is saying "SEE ALL THIS! SEE HOW ALL OF THIS IS TERRIBLE! VOTE FOR ME OR....you'll get more of this". That's not even getting into all of the other shit that's happened during his term(which I'm not going to get into because I'm trying to keep this post a reasonable length).
Yeah, it doesn't work like that. Trump has clearly shown he's unfit for his job in so, so many ways and most people see it. The fact his approval rating has been sitting underwater for his entire term which means he's the first president to never convince even half the American people he's fit for his office.
It's why the democrats have been consistently making gains in each election since 2016(and often with much higher turnout then previous midterms and even off-year elections). 40 seats in the house flipped in 2018 because Trump is motivating people to come out and vote against the GOP (The GOP was more or less been wiped out in CA, even in previously safe strongholds such as Orange County)
Even if we didn't want Biden, the choice is between him and someone many of loathe and we're more than ready take that chance that Biden couldn't screw the pooch nearly as much.
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So I might see "Biden/Trump has won the presidency of 2020" as far as November 10 or more?
Maybe. Depends on how long it takes to count the votes. It's a massive turnout and that's not even getting into any shenanigans that might pop up.
I have a feeling(certain screaming toddlers on twitter aside) most outlets aren't gonna be calling races until they are dead certain.
They're still going to be arguing who won by this time next year. Pandora's box is open. Trump will never admit he lost.
And not in a flippant way either. Actual experts on modern cults have pointed out how his grip on them operates and it is disturbingly similar to how cult leaders work (those wanting a longer conversation going into the finer details may want to listen to his interview on Trumpcast, which is foundationally hostile to Trump, but does have fairly in depth interviews with expert trying to unpack Trump's appeal and support, as well as a lot of tongue in cheek content).
I mean, once the results are relatively settled, the hope is that the results are the same as who holds office in February.
But certification of election results varies by state, with the latest in early December. Because recounts and disputes need to be resolved, many states have this period to finish counting and resolve issues such as matching signatures or verifying counts, with certification after those matters have been resolved either by the local elections officials or, in some cases, the courts.
Now in many cases, the results are going to be relatively clear even if the results aren't final. If there's a 10-point gap in a state and 75-90% of precincts are reporting, odds are extremely low that the overall winner may change later. That's how newscasters announce calls on election day. But when it's close, then it can take a bit to get to the point that a state will have a final tally, especially in jurisdictions such as California, Oregon, Washington, and Colorado with large/universal vote-by-mail proportions where a major part of the operation is just collecting the ballots from the heavy, secured drop boxes around the jurisdiction.
My hope is that by polls closing in Hawaii tomorrow, the vote is overwhelmingly in favor of Biden, similar to 2008 and 2012, so that states that are too close to call aren't fundamentally needed to meet the EC threshold as Trump and Republicans have already sowed the seeds of post- election chaos if it's not a clear result by the end of the night.
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Trust me, you'd rather look at him than me.
I'm finding the opposite of much of what you write. For example: https://www.immigrationreform.com/2020/03/09/mpp-border-wall-mexico-i-immigrationreform-com/Pretty on point?
@3:35 Biden is likely to do things that are divisive.
Seriously? Trump has gone out of his way to be divisive. He supports only his Americans. Those who bend a knee. Trump ridicules whoever, fires whoever, lambasts whoever, chooses sides constantly when things come about instead of stating that Americans need to pull together.
Gorfias, this is biased stuff here. Trump kept his promises? Like Mexico was going to pay for the wall? They haven't. That it was going to be the strongest wall that was ever built, because believe him because he knows walls? It's already at risk of falling down. He was going to protect Medicare and Medicaid? He puts them up for budget slashes any time he can.
I won't say Trump didn't do anything. He gave Tax cuts, He got Judges, stuff like that. But other things he gave up, couldn't get done, or abandoned.
US election 2020: Has Trump delivered on his promises?
Donald Trump made voters a number of promises before they elected him. But has he kept his word?www.bbc.com
But the Trade Deals? Yeah, he pulled out and penned a new one. That led to Tariffs and mom and pop store owners having to charge more for their stuff.
He didn't pull all troops. And his actions were even criticized by his own officials.
He did, indeed, cut regulations. Because businesses couldn't go under such weight. What were some of the things repealed?
Tracking regulatory changes in the Biden era
How much regulation is happening under the Biden administration? This tracker helps you monitor a selection of delayed, repealed, and new rules, notable guidance and policy implementations, and important court battles covering energy, health, labor, and more.www.brookings.edu
Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing Rule, Methane and Waste Prevention Rule, Temporary Suspension of EPA Enforcement, Nondiscrimination provisions in the Affordable Care Act, Clean Air Act: Emission Standards, Clean Power Plan, Fiduciary Rule, Dealer Markups Guidance (a rule that stopped Car Dealers for charging higher interest due to Race...), Net Neutrality, Arbitration Rule (which allowed class action lawsuits be levied to financial institutions to provide the opportunity for alternative legal recourse for harmed consumers against these financial companies), Title IX Guidances on Transgender Student Rights
Yeah, he kept his promises. To his donors. And bad things happened to average citizens, or ineffectual measures that break down under their own weight... literally. I mean, Jesus Christ, the Fiduciary Rule was repealed?! As someone who works in Insurance, he basically said it was ok that we can rip off old people. No he didn't basically. He said it. If the law is repealed, we aren't held liable if grandparents go bankrupt if we mishandle the money. America is thereby a little bit greater...
Your youtuber is just stating talking points that were fed to him. Points that if one did five minutes searching would show that even in his half-truth, the reality actually doesn't bode well. Bad Promises Kept aren't a good thing.
As for divisive, in my social media, I am finding a ton of positive stuff about Trump. Pictures from his rallies, what he has done for our economy and our own lives. His out reach to diverse communities. But from the Biden people? The most hateful language I think I have ever experienced. If Biden wins tomorrow, I really hope to start hearing/reading something positive. All the hate really gets to me. Happily, most people in my circles are happy people that are not contributing to this. At worst, I see a lot of humorous jibes at Biden. Not real hostility. Example:
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ech·o cham·ber
/ˈekō ˌCHāmbər/
noun
noun: echo chamber; plural noun: echo chambers
an enclosed space where sound reverberates.
"purpose-built echo chambers allow the addition of natural-sounding reverberation to the recordings"
- an environment in which a person encounters only beliefs or opinions that coincide with their own, so that their existing views are reinforced and alternative ideas are not considered.
"people are living in partisan and ideological echo chambers"
Probably because it's curated. As sourcing your claims goes, acting as if an algorithmically calculated digital pacifier for one's personal tastes is an authority on reality is a big part of why the American electorate can no longer separate the real world from fantasy.
Your boy literally calls his opponents traitors.
The 24 times Trump has accused somebody of "treason"
He has done it in tweets, at rallies and even at press conferences with foreign leaders.
www.axios.com
He's also called for his political enemies to be arrested by his DOJ.
‘Where are all of the arrests?’: Trump demands Barr lock up his foes
The day-long run of tweets and retweets marked the most frantic stretch of Trump’s public activity since he left Walter Reed.
www.politico.com
You don't get to win about "Hate" from from the other side if you can't/won't address this.
Were I in such an echo chamber, I would not have experienced so many posts telling me that not only will Trump burn in heck some day, but that all of his supporters will as well. Seriously. Pretty dark.
Did he ever say that every single Biden supporter will burn eternally?Your boy literally calls his opponets traitors.
The 24 times Trump has accused somebody of "treason"
He has done it in tweets, at rallies and even at press conferences with foreign leaders.
So you're holding random dudes on the internet to the same standard as the president calling the opposite party treasonous in a public forum?
Do you even read what you write? I mean, seriously?
Do you literally not understand how these two things don't compare to each other at all?
1) On the echo chamber thing... dude. I'm in this forum. Do you think it my echo chamber? And I do learn things here. While Trump is about the most anti war pol in power at this time, I found here that he is outdoing Obama in drone strikes. It was a very weird thing for you to write about me.
2) Are you writing, after 3 years of fake Russia Russia Russia stuff pushed by Hillary Clinton, Biden, et. al. you can write there's anything particularly wrong with Trump, who got impeached for looking into Biden's apparent sell out of the US to China and Ukraine?
Could be if we don't stay vocal.
In the meantime, I hope for Trump's success in getting us out of forever wars, even if he, for some reason, has to fight with his own subordinates to do it.
Just so you know the Federation of American Immigration Reform, the people who run that website, are a known far-right wing anti-immigration lobbying group who use its sister organization the Center of Immigration Studies as its source for alot of it 'facts'. It was founded by a Holocaust denying Klan lawyer.
Oh and its a hate group too:
How Do We Know FAIR is a Hate Group?
www.splcenter.org
SPLC is no longer a credible source but the other information you share is interesting. Thanks. Reviewing.Just so you know the Federation of American Immigration Reform, the people who run that website, are a known far-right wing anti-immigration lobbying group who use its sister organization the Center of Immigration Studies as its source for alot of it 'facts'. It was founded by a Holocaust denying Klan lawyer.
Oh and its a hate group too:
How Do We Know FAIR is a Hate Group?
EDIT: Example. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arizona_SB_1070 Your link conflates legal and illegal immigration. This sort of tactic puts off border protection advocates big time.
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I'm finding the opposite of what you posted as well.
Fact check: Trump is still falsely claiming that Mexico is paying for his border wall | CNN Politics
The border wall has been funded by the US government. Mexico has not contributed. The White House declined to comment on our request for an explanation of Trump's Monday comments.
www.cnn.com
Defying reality, Trump insists Mexico 'is paying for the wall'
Trump claims to have a new idea to get Mexico to pay for a border wall. In reality, it's a fresh con, intended to take the place of an old con.
Supreme Court sides with Trump on building border wall with diverted military funds
Supreme Court rebuffs Sierra Club and House Democrats who said Trump was spending billions in defiance of Congress.
www.latimes.com
Pictures of a rally of people who are considered cult-like are... pictures of people who bought into the dogma of Trump. Don't get me wrong, if you showed me how happy people are at Biden's gatherings, I'd say the same. They are thrilled with Biden.
But that doesn't talk about the overall sentiment about how the average American is feeling for Trump. Or Biden. Just like I wouldn't go to a Police Convention to actually test how the world thinks about BLM.
And you're purposefully ignoring some of your fellow forum posters right here who is openly mocking people who are afraid of Trump's reign. Who is delighting at the prospects that our fears become reality. You're ignoring the man who gathered guns and tried to find out where Biden lived. You forget the protesters who were ready to storm places of Government that enacted life saving measures. You forget the videos I and others post on this forum who call every Democrat a cheat and a liar and go on about how much they don't trust them. The group that was going to kidnap Governor Whitmer. You forget these 'very fine' people. The People who rally with Trump any time he says something racist and stupid.
And I'm sorry, this isn't to you, Gorfias, but I'm now officially tired of hearing about our economy. Trump is the only president in Decades going into a President Election losing millions of jobs. And if the economy is going strong and small businesses around the world (and yes, in America as well) are struggling for survival, as well as unemployment rising higher in 3 months than two years of the Global Recession... I mean, what are we talking about here? The big businesses did great during Covid. The average person didn't.
And let's not forget... Trump has given his approval of the Voter Intimidation tactics done via Trump Train.
And what was the response of that from Texas?
I won't talk about your circle. I don't know them. But I will speak about this. More blatant lies. More dismissal. And more outright childish rudeness. From a representative of the GOP party. Not a random dude off the street. Someone completely ignoring facts because who cares.
Divisiveness. And this is why I fear Republican Rule. You have thoughts, anecdotes, and tweets. This is the Republican officials, representatives, and freaking President supporting this.
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