th3dark3rsh33p said:
I think many... many of the slip ups that happen are a case of just not thinking things through and the lack of a substantial female perspective in the industry as a whole. That is an effect of things, not a cause however. I'll admit the riptide thing as really gross, and unappealing (sexist? ehh maybe... it's just really fucking gross man does have to be anything more then that.) but that doesn't make chain mail bikinis or scantily clad women BAD, it just means you have to take it for what it is. Hell some of my favorite deviant art artists(all women), do a lot of scantily clad women drawings just because that's what they like to draw. It's there thing, they're good at it. They don't see putting the female form on a pedestal of idealism as something bad. Sexism is when that is the ONLY option or a forced option in which it is the ONLY way a female can succeed. I agree with the sentiment that it's still not where it needs to be, it's far from where it needs to be but that stuff existing is not inherently bad/sexist/evil.
I have nothing against fanservice, but it's the lack of egalitarian fanservice that hints at sexism. Why wasn't that torso something like this [http://hellosixpackabs.com/web_images/absdiet.jpg] too? I mean, the intent of the torso is a horribly misguided idea to marry gore with fanservice (which only works for a minority of the population), but the idea that only female bodies are worth of objectification (regardless how horribly botched such objectification ends up being) means that, at the very nicest, the industry thinks only straight males play their games. Which isn't inherently sexist or homophobic, but misguided. When they know that such an assertion is false but insist on the traditional approach, it borders sexism and homophobia but can still be justified as the demographics not being commercially viable. When such demographics become commercially viable, any decision not to cater to them out of prejudice really does become sexist and homophobic.
lacktheknack said:
I'm going to do a retrospective from 2010 to 2012, using these three articles:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_in_video_gaming
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_in_video_gaming
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_in_video_gaming
And linking images to illustrate my point. 2010 gave us:
Bayonetta [http://www.gametrailers.com/side-mission/files/2012/09/bayonetta.jpg], Silent Hill: Shattered Memories [http://www.secondquest.vg/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Silent.jpg], No More Heroes 2 [http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01649/no-more-heroes2_1649165c.jpg], Dante's Inferno [http://oyster.ignimgs.com/ve3d/images/05/17/51737_orig.jpg], Heavy Rain [http://www.consolesyndrome.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/heavy-rain-playstation-3-ps3-197.jpg], God of War III [http://images.lazygamer.co.za/2010/03/Gow3Athena.jpg], Dragon Age: Origins - Awakening [http://www.gamershell.com/static/streaming/24502/24502_medium.jpg], Mass Effect 2 [http://www.gamervescent.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Rana-Samara-by-Soulfire.jpg], Red Steel 2 [http://asherald.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/redsteel2.jpg], Dead or Alive Paradise [http://www.lordx.org/wp-content/dead-or-alive-paradise-psp-bikini-3.jpg], Super Street Fighter IV [http://cache.kotaku.com/assets/images/9/2011/11/e5b317d942f84c8712d92ade74f8eab8.jpg], Red Dead Redemption [http://www.hdwallpapers.in/walls/red_dead_redemption_game-normal.jpg], Heroes [http://trolr.com/wp-content/gallery/heroes-of-newerth-concept-art/ophelia.jpg] of Newerth [http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/6559/honchickbs.jpg] (here's your revealing fantasy armour/chainmail bikini, merely 3 years ago, by a Western developer), Starcraft II: Wings of Liberty [http://pikigeek.com/files/2011/10/Kerrigan.jpg], Lara Croft and the Guardian of Light [http://img.brothersoft.com/screenshots/softimage/l/lara_croft_and_the_guardian_of_light-_e3_2010_trailer_hd-381669-1279701280.jpeg], Mafia II [http://www.pcgameshardware.com/screenshots/original/2009/01/Mafia2ScreenShot033_090122131239.jpg], Enslaved: Odyssey to the West [http://www.juegomania.org/Enslaved%3A+Odyssey+to+the+West/foto/ps3/0/770/891436.jpg/Foto+Enslaved%3A+Odyssey+to+the+West.jpg], God of War: Ghost of Sparta [http://origin.playstationlifestyle.net/assets/uploads/2010/09/God-of-War-censored.jpg] and World of Warcraft: Cataclysm [http://img1.mmo.mmo4arab.com/news/2010/05/20/femaleworgen/femaleworgen1.jpg] (which has always had bikini chainmail [http://www.wowautoauctions.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/wow-art-night-elf-female.jpg] and never changed that fact).
2011 gave us:
Two Worlds II [http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_KglbSoW83Wg/TVAMYPH9EFI/AAAAAAAABVE/M1D6Z-DGy2U/s1600/TwoWorlds2%2B2011-02-06%2B15-15-26-23.jpg] (more stripperrific fantasy armour), Dragon Age II [http://hautegamer.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Dragon_Age_II_-_Isabella_-_Clown_Tits.jpg], Yakuza 4 [http://www.segabits.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/yakuza4.jpg], The Tomb Raider Trilogy [http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2011/034/4/1/tomb_raider_trilogy_wallpaper_by_teenraider-d38otnl.jpg], The Third Birthday [http://cache.kotaku.com/assets/images/9/2012/01/xlarge_2d9bc1bd39cc9a8fba3db93030e0a8b1.jpg] (though I admit the cleavage is pretty tame), Dynasty Warriors 7 [http://assets.vg247.com/current//2010/10/dynasty-warriors-7-20.jpg], Brink (found an uncensored image that I cannot link), The Witcher 2: Assassin of Kings [http://gameshut.org/sites/default/files/the-witcher-2-assassinsofkings_87711-1920x1200.jpg], Duke Nukem Forever [http://www.geforce.co.uk/Active/en_US/shared/images/xml_graphics/duke-nukem-forever/featuredImage-dnf.jpg] (I am using the absolute tamest image that conveys my point), Hunted: The Demon's Forge [http://media.pcgamer.com/files/2010/08/hunted-preorder-griffin.jpg], Call of Juarez: The Cartel [http://i1-news.softpedia-static.com/images/news2/Call-of-Juarez-The-Cartel-Gets-First-Details-Screenshots-and-Video-5.jpg], Shadows of the Damned [http://images.gamersyde.com/image_shadows_of_the_damned-16209-2129_0006.jpg], Catherine [http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/20/Catherine_Cover_Art.png], No More Heroes: Heroes' Paradise [http://www.hookedgamers.com/images/1290/no_more_heroes_heroes_paradise/screenshot_x360_no_more_heroes_heroes_paradise026.jpg], Dead Island [http://i13a.3djuegos.com/juegos/1642/dead_island/fotos/set/dead_island-1732184.jpg], Rise of Nightmares [http://download.xbox.com/content/images/66acd000-77fe-1000-9115-d80253450846/1033/screenlg14.jpg], Gears of War 3 [http://www.hdwallpapers.in/walls/gears_of_war_3_game_2011-wide.jpg] (though that's pretty tame), Dark Souls [http://www.cheatcc.com/imagesfeatures/top10sexiestfemalevillainsingaming_9.jpg], Batman: Arkham City [http://download.xbox.com/content/images/66acd000-77fe-1000-9115-d80257520802/1033/screenlg1.jpg], House of the Dead: Overkill [http://img.brothersoft.com/wallpapers/ho/ll/screenshots/varla-guns_wide.jpg] (there are a couple of images that are even worse), Saints Row: The Third [http://cdn2.dualshockers.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/saints-row-the-third-hd-wallpapers-1.jpg] and The King of Fighters XIII [http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/2f/Kofxiiips3.jpg/250px-Kofxiiips3.jpg].
And 2012 brought us:
NeverDead [http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/0/5911/1470159-neverdead_image_for_gamesco.jpg], Amy [http://richardjohnsmith.cghub.com/files/Image/149001-150000/149321/766_stream.jpg], Soulcalibur V [http://www.sidekickcomicsuk.com/blogs/media/users/ned/soul_calibur_v_comparison.JPG], Resident Evil: Revelations [http://images.pushsquare.com/news/2013/01/it_looks_like_resident_evil_revelations_is_coming_to_the_ps3/attachment/0/large.jpg], Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning [http://www.gameverse.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Side-kick.jpg], The Darkness II [http://bulk.destructoid.com/ul/213431-you-should-be-paying-attention-to-the-darkness-ii/DarknessII_Venus_Gun-620x.jpg], Shank 2 [http://th06.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/i/2012/122/a/7/shank_2_bubbles_wallpaper_by_cywin-d4yd0s7.jpg], Mass Effect 3 [http://wallpaperscraft.com/image/mass_effect_3_asari_female_dress_house_15923_1600x1200.jpg], Street Fighter X Tekken [http://mimg.ugo.com/201203/8/1/3/219318/sfxt2.jpg], I Am Alive [http://webguyunlimited.com/pixelperfectgaming/wp-content/gallery/i_am_alive_new_launch_screenshots/i_am_alive_new_launch_screenshot_023.jpg], Ninja Gaiden 3 [http://images.vg247.com/current//2012/12/Ninja-Gaiden-3-kasumi-5.jpg], Risen 2: Dark Waters [http://cdn.gamerant.com/wp-content/uploads/risen-2-dark-waters-review-voodoo.jpg], Diablo III [http://www.diablo3sanctuary.net/Diablo-3-Wallpapers/Diablo-3-Wallpaper-Wizard-Sorceress-WideScreen-1920x1200-1920x1080.jpg], Max Payne 3 [http://gamechurch.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/max-payne-3.jpg], Lollipop Chainsaw [http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/39/Lollipop_Chainsaw_Cover_Art.png], Heroes of Ruin [http://images.nintendolife.com/news/2012/04/heroes_of_ruin_alchitect_trailer_is_3ds_gold/attachment/0/large.jpg], Sleeping Dogs [http://0.tqn.com/d/playstation/1/0/Z/J/SleepingDogs_06.jpg], Darksiders II [http://www.nerdist.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Darksiders_II_OnlineReview_Lilith.jpg], Guild Wars 2 [http://3.images.gametrailers.com/image_root/massives/aaa_games/2012/08_aug_2012/m_guildwars2_01.jpg?width=640&height=360&crop=true&quality=.91], World of Warcraft: Mists of Pandaria [http://www.blogcdn.com/wow.joystiq.com/media/2012/06/newjainarlt.jpg], Torchlight II [http://gamescreens.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/female-embermage-torchlight-2-wallpaper.jpg], Resident Evil 6 [http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mav4gkXNYf1rxj7rdo1_500.png], Hotline Miami [http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/images/2012/10/hmart.jpg], Halo 4 [http://assets2.ignimgs.com/2012/11/02/110612cortana-socialjpg-5a7ab2_800w.jpg], Ninja Gaiden 3: Razor's Edge [http://www.cinemablend.com/images/gallery/s46850/Ninja_Gaiden_3__Razor_s_Edge_13475046997461.jpg], Call of Duty: Black Ops 2 [http://cache.g4tv.com/ImageDb3/298132_S/call-of-duty-black-ops-2-zombie-mode-poster-revealed.jpg] and Tekken Tag Tournament 2 [http://86bb71d19d3bcb79effc-d9e6924a0395cb1b5b9f03b7640d26eb.r91.cf1.rackcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/tekken-tag-tournament-2-characters-unlockable-via-dlc.jpg].
And before anybody says anything, I urge you all to watch the latest episode of the Jimquisition [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/jimquisition/6734-Accepting-the-Isms], which addresses the proper way to respond when a game you like contains sexism/homophobia/racism and the like.