Ender's Game Trailer is Finally Here

[sleeky01]

... but I have no intentions of putting money in the pockets of a bigot if I can avoid it.

Meh, people need to grow up. Your opinion of a man should not influence your opinion of a man's work. Looks interesting enough. Truth be told, I never found OSC all that interesting of a writer. Probably something to do with people always telling me I should like his work.

I would tend to agree. Can a piece of work not be viewed for it's own sake without a prejudgment?

I'm sure an artist would appreciate the effort.

... but I have no intentions of putting money in the pockets of a bigot if I can avoid it.

*sigh*

Captcha=right left

Oh. You are on fire today Captcha,

Art is the expression of the artist. If you want to call something art, you then cannot separate the art from the artist.

No matter the content of that artist?

On that note, literature is not art.

?!?
Really?

I think there are quite afew authors who would disagree with you immensely.

But when the Author then centers his works around his beliefs, that is where problems arise.
Ender's Game does not center around OSC's offensive beliefs, but a lot of his other books do.

So you ARE able to seperate a peice of work from the artist. Or is it content creator? :?

 

[sleeky01]

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Oh, and why is battleschool in orbit? It was supposed to be in one of the outer asteroid belts to keep its location secretive Not very secret if its in orbit.

If I recall correctly the Battleschool was indeed in earth orbit. The facility(s?) in the asteroid belt was where the fancy Command and Control gizmo was located. It was were Mazer Rakum showed up in the story.

 

[90sgamer]

OSC being the producer gives me some hope that the movie might convey the same meanings the books did. This trailer, however, is awful. I hope it's not at all indicative of the movie. Also, I love Harrison Ford, but he is cast as Graff?

 

[Timmey]

Can't wait for this, one of my favorite books when i was younger, and recently re read it to discover it was even better than i remembered. Just hope they haven't been forced to cut too much out of it.

 

[Gidiel167]

this has to be one of my favorite books ive ever read, so i only have one thought regarding this movie, PLEASE BE GOOD PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE BE GOOD.

looking forward to November, i'll reserve my judgment till then and ignore the trailers

 

[WhiteTigerShiro]

I will probably go to see this - I love the book, and as long as it doesnt go too Michael Bay it shouldnt be awful...although that said, it annoys me that

Spoiler

the trailer contains one of the final moments of the book; the climax where Ender destroys the bugger homeworld. Trailers in general need to stop blowing plot points.

Lets hope that OSC keeps as far away from it as possible.

Spoiler

Except that the twist isn't the destruction of the homeworld; it's learning that it wasn't just a simulation. So it really isn't that much of a spoiler as long as they remember to push the whole "he's just running training simulations" thing.

 

[Baresark]

Meh, people need to grow up. Your opinion of a man should not influence your opinion of a man's work. Looks interesting enough. Truth be told, I never found OSC all that interesting of a writer. Probably something to do with people always telling me I should like his work.

It's less about an opinion of a man informing an opinion of his work - though that is more of a subconscious issue - it's that he's not the sort of person many people want to support financially.

I can see that, but the truth is he is very well off and if the movie doesn't do well it probably won't hurt him or change his opinion on gay marriage. People want to paint him like this evil man, but he is only standing up for what he believes in. I don't agree with him one bit on it, but the fruition of hard work should not be denied because I disagree with that one aspect of the man. Maybe he is evil besides that, but the one thing I know he feels differently about than myself should not logically dictate my whole opinion on the guy. That is something I would think everyone can agree with when applying a bit of rational thought to the situation. Also, it is completely subconscious. If his opinion is different from yours and you know nothing else about him but this one thing, the mind will always make the decision for you. Kahneman was pretty explicit about it when he did his research.

You are acting like believing other human beings are less of a person and deserve less rights just because they are different is a small thing. It is not, that is big thing, something very telling about a person. In this instance, that Orson Scott Card is a terrible person, one that deserves scorn.

As always, taking the high road is not the popular thing to do around here. You are attributing evil to something that is a difference of opinion. Just like he lobbies to prevent it, they lobby to see it happen. All of this is separate from his work as an author. I have never heard him say that homosexuals are second class citizens or they deserve less rights. It's all just a difference of opinion on how you define marriage. The fight has literally become stupid in a lot of places because civil unions are allowed the same rights as marriage, but it's not called "marriage". Oh the evil that is done, my god. I'm all for them fighting for their rights as they see them, likewise, I cannot hate someone for having the opposite opinion. Unless of course he said the words, "gays are bad and they should be treated as second class citizens. But, that is still separate from his authored works.

 

[Ftaghn To You Too]

Meh, people need to grow up. Your opinion of a man should not influence your opinion of a man's work. Looks interesting enough. Truth be told, I never found OSC all that interesting of a writer. Probably something to do with people always telling me I should like his work.

It's less about an opinion of a man informing an opinion of his work - though that is more of a subconscious issue - it's that he's not the sort of person many people want to support financially.

I can see that, but the truth is he is very well off and if the movie doesn't do well it probably won't hurt him or change his opinion on gay marriage. People want to paint him like this evil man, but he is only standing up for what he believes in. I don't agree with him one bit on it, but the fruition of hard work should not be denied because I disagree with that one aspect of the man. Maybe he is evil besides that, but the one thing I know he feels differently about than myself should not logically dictate my whole opinion on the guy. That is something I would think everyone can agree with when applying a bit of rational thought to the situation. Also, it is completely subconscious. If his opinion is different from yours and you know nothing else about him but this one thing, the mind will always make the decision for you. Kahneman was pretty explicit about it when he did his research.

You are acting like believing other human beings are less of a person and deserve less rights just because they are different is a small thing. It is not, that is big thing, something very telling about a person. In this instance, that Orson Scott Card is a terrible person, one that deserves scorn.

As always, taking the high road is not the popular thing to do around here. You are attributing evil to something that is a difference of opinion. Just like he lobbies to prevent it, they lobby to see it happen. All of this is separate from his work as an author. I have never heard him say that homosexuals are second class citizens or they deserve less rights. It's all just a difference of opinion on how you define marriage. The fight has literally become stupid in a lot of places because civil unions are allowed the same rights as marriage, but it's not called "marriage". Oh the evil that is done, my god. I'm all for them fighting for their rights as they see them, likewise, I cannot hate someone for having the opposite opinion. Unless of course he said the words, "gays are bad and they should be treated as second class citizens. But, that is still separate from his authored works.

He wants Sodomy laws on the books to keep gay people in the closet, claims that Gay Marriage proponants want to destroy Democracy, and said this.

"[W]hen government is the enemy of marriage, then the people who are actually creating successful marriages have no choice but to change governments, by whatever means is made possible or necessary? Regardless of law, marriage has only one definition, and any government that attempts to change it is my mortal enemy. I will act to destroy that government and bring it down?."

So he can go fucking straight to hell.

 

[WanderingFool]

Ender's Game Trailer is Finally Here

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This... this is different from the Ender's game I was stuck reading in high school...

 

[UberNoodle]

A note on the 'outrage' this film of the novel has provoked in the 'battle-room' of the Net:

Why care about Card's views on marriage when they're not in the novel, and even if they were, would certainly not be in this film. The artist and the art while intrinsic, are ultimately separate things. Yet in this Twitter age of instant outrage, ego-polls and spam campaigns, we have become alarmingly hypocritical, in that we reserve the right to rage and condemn so particularly when surely thousands of artists out there also have beliefs which we do not agree with. Shall we boycott the Louvre or our local theatre because of it?

And consider for a moment the society in which the character, Ender lives, where religion has been outlawed for generations, and which people dear to him may secretly hold religious views of all kinds (no spoilers). On top of that, it is a society which systematically designates children as commodities, to be tallied, objectified and abused.

Ender was only allowed to be born for the prospect that he be taken from his family and trained as a child soldier. As a 'Third', ie an abhorred third child, had he not been selected for war, he'd have lived despised and hated. His own parents are already marginalised as assumed dissidents for having a third child. Are these not incredibly intriguing ideas for any story? They are certainly not unique in themselves, and other authors, and also real world governments have employed them irrespective of their opinions on gay rights.

Simply put, Card's views on LGBT issues are irrelevant to the story of Ender's Game. I don't agree with his politics on this and on a great many things. His is a Mormon after all and quite devout. Being a famous author automatically makes anything he says 'out-spoken', does it not? Perhaps we should boycott corner stores run by Mormon families, because it is quite likely they'd agree with Card.

Also, if any reply to me hinges on an assertion that literature and film are not art, I shall not respond, at least until I have read the accompanying treatise on why that is surely so.

 

[Ftaghn To You Too]

... but I have no intentions of putting money in the pockets of a bigot if I can avoid it.

Meh, people need to grow up. Your opinion of a man should not influence your opinion of a man's work. Looks interesting enough. Truth be told, I never found OSC all that interesting of a writer. Probably something to do with people always telling me I should like his work.

I would tend to agree. Can a piece of work not be viewed for it's own sake without a prejudgment?

I'm sure an artist would appreciate the effort.

... but I have no intentions of putting money in the pockets of a bigot if I can avoid it.

*sigh*

Captcha=right left

Oh. You are on fire today Captcha,

Art is the expression of the artist. If you want to call something art, you then cannot separate the art from the artist.

No matter the content of that artist?

On that note, literature is not art.

?!?
Really?

I think there are quite afew authors who would disagree with you immensely.

But when the Author then centers his works around his beliefs, that is where problems arise.
Ender's Game does not center around OSC's offensive beliefs, but a lot of his other books do.

So you ARE able to seperate a peice of work from the artist. Or is it content creator? :?

Then those authors are delusional, literature is educational and/or entertainment. Movies are not art, video games are not art. Does not mean these things can not be so good that people can compare them to art, still does not make them art.

What definition of art are you using? Literature and movies have been considered art for a very very long time.

EDIT: Not to mention the "Video games are not art" can of worms. How are any of those things not art?

 

[Baresark]

Meh, people need to grow up. Your opinion of a man should not influence your opinion of a man's work. Looks interesting enough. Truth be told, I never found OSC all that interesting of a writer. Probably something to do with people always telling me I should like his work.

It's less about an opinion of a man informing an opinion of his work - though that is more of a subconscious issue - it's that he's not the sort of person many people want to support financially.

I can see that, but the truth is he is very well off and if the movie doesn't do well it probably won't hurt him or change his opinion on gay marriage. People want to paint him like this evil man, but he is only standing up for what he believes in. I don't agree with him one bit on it, but the fruition of hard work should not be denied because I disagree with that one aspect of the man. Maybe he is evil besides that, but the one thing I know he feels differently about than myself should not logically dictate my whole opinion on the guy. That is something I would think everyone can agree with when applying a bit of rational thought to the situation. Also, it is completely subconscious. If his opinion is different from yours and you know nothing else about him but this one thing, the mind will always make the decision for you. Kahneman was pretty explicit about it when he did his research.

You are acting like believing other human beings are less of a person and deserve less rights just because they are different is a small thing. It is not, that is big thing, something very telling about a person. In this instance, that Orson Scott Card is a terrible person, one that deserves scorn.

As always, taking the high road is not the popular thing to do around here. You are attributing evil to something that is a difference of opinion. Just like he lobbies to prevent it, they lobby to see it happen. All of this is separate from his work as an author. I have never heard him say that homosexuals are second class citizens or they deserve less rights. It's all just a difference of opinion on how you define marriage. The fight has literally become stupid in a lot of places because civil unions are allowed the same rights as marriage, but it's not called "marriage". Oh the evil that is done, my god. I'm all for them fighting for their rights as they see them, likewise, I cannot hate someone for having the opposite opinion. Unless of course he said the words, "gays are bad and they should be treated as second class citizens. But, that is still separate from his authored works.

He wants Sodomy laws on the books to keep gay people in the closet, claims that Gay Marriage proponants want to destroy Democracy, and said this.

"[W]hen government is the enemy of marriage, then the people who are actually creating successful marriages have no choice but to change governments, by whatever means is made possible or necessary? Regardless of law, marriage has only one definition, and any government that attempts to change it is my mortal enemy. I will act to destroy that government and bring it down?."

So he can go fucking straight to hell.

Hmmm, how about that, I stand corrected. He is a huge dick because of his misguided opinion. I guess it's true, bitches be crazy.

 

[Asclepion]

I'm seeing some serious fade to black in this trailer.

 

[jab136]

Doesn't look bad. Although I have a bad feeling that the Bean character is going to be a sliver of what he was in the books. In the books the war was won largely due to the combined efforts of both Ender and Bean. I really hope they don't short change the Bean character in the movie.

bean really didn't have all that large of a role in the actual ender's game (which I will refer to as EG) book, in ender's shadow (ES) they reveal how large of a role he played, but he was barely mentioned in EG. wow this thread has really gotten hung up on OSC as a person. while I may not agree with the man, that really isn't the point of a thread talking about a movie trailer.
also

Spoiler

the only planet that was targeted by the Dr. Device was the formic homeworld, this was why they were uncertain what would happen, no other battle was based directly around a planet, some of them had planets off to the side or in the backround but none of them resulted in the destruction of a planet until the last one, which was done by way of a kamikaze attack with a Dr. Device payload which was retconned in ES to be two beams that converged and caused molecules to separate, the second part wasn't a retcon, but the first was, it was then retconned again in Children of the Mind when the attacking ship launches the payload at lusitania which is intercepted by peter. I may be mixing up which one EG or ES had the solid "bomb" and which used the beams but I know there was a retcon there somewhere. the point I am trying to make is that the cruiser destroying the planet, had to have been the formic homeworld and therefore is not true to the source material. also I think they may be able to use careful camera angles for the shower fight scene, but I hope they deal with it somehow

I hope this movie is good, but I have my doubts seeing as it will be really difficult to fit the source material in a two hour movie that will interest people who didn't read the books (read EXPLOSIONS, they don't need all that many, but they probably will have quite a few)

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Oh, and why is battleschool in orbit? It was supposed to be in one of the outer asteroid belts to keep its location secretive Not very secret if its in orbit.

If I recall correctly the Battleschool was indeed in earth orbit. The facility(s?) in the asteroid belt was where the fancy Command and Control gizmo was located. It was were Mazer Rakum showed up in the story.

this is correct, however this may be quite nitpicky, but battle school was just pretty much a ring, not that long space station that appeared in the trailer.

 

[RedDeadFred]

Eh..... Looks way too much like a generic Sci-fi action movie when the book is much more thoughtful.

Also, they totally spoil the ending in the trailer....