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[Hades74]

Hum, where's nuclear energy? We can manipulate that. We have been able to create fission and fusion afterall.

Never been able to harness the energy of this one though.

Um, yes we have. We just haven't been able to harness it efficiently. Nobody wants a power plant with a net loss in energy.

Hum, where's nuclear energy? We can manipulate that. We have been able to create fission and fusion afterall.

it's basically just a term "nuclear energy" isn't pure or even one type of energy, it is the light, heat, and kinetic energies resulting from nuclear fission

Pure energy? wha? You're aware that heat is caused by the kinetic energy of vibrating particles and light is just electromagnetic waves right?

yea I do my bad 0_0'' with the kinetic/heat but light is created by photons so yea

 

[GoldenRaz]

I think you'd have to explain what you mean by 'types of energy' first.

The different types of energy that are mentioned on Wikipedia are:

Mechanical (kinetic, surface, elastic potential and sound)
Gravitational
Thermal
Electric (electrostatic, electricity, magnetic and electromagnetic (light and other radiation)
Chemical
Nuclear

I have to say that chemical energy is the one that is the most used today, since all living things digest food, cars use gasoline, coal is/was used to "produce" electricity, etc.

EDIT: Is this a continuation of the superhero question? If so, then the form of energy most useful as a superpower is probably...electric! Just because you can control light and lightning.

 

[Hades74]

I think you'd have to explain what you mean by 'types of energy' first.

The different types of energy that are mentioned on Wikipedia are:

Mechanical (kinetic, surface, elastic potential and sound)
Gravitational
Thermal
Electric (electrostatic, electricity, magnetic and electromagnetic (light and other radiation)
Chemical
Nuclear

I have to say that chemical energy is the one that is the most used today, since all living things digest food, cars use gasoline, coal is/was used to "produce" electricity, etc.

EDIT: Is this a continuation of the superhero question? If so, then the form of energy most useful as a superpower is probably...electric! Just because you can control light and lightning.

While I agree a 100% with the electric superpower thing I must say that chemical and nuclear are reactions creating energies, same as hydroenergy or solar energy which only refers to the terms of possible energy sources alterante from carbon-spewing fire

 

[Hades74]

how primitive is killing a person by projectile throwing/shooting?

as for energy sotrage, think about this.. what's easier to have:
a 500 pound machine GENERATING "x" amount of energy that itself needs some energy to run/function
or
the container with "X" amount of energy that takes up 10 times less space due to the fact that it's JUST the energy (and the container)

Electricity is a method of energy transfer, in order to apply power at a location other than the generated source. Generation can be done in a wide variety of manners, involving chemical, nuclear, kinetic, etc, or combinations as needed.

Current chemical batteries would be orders of magnitude larger than a generator that puts out an equivalent amount power.

Regarding the 'primitive' nature of projectiles, you seem to lack understanding of the nature of how things interact. A laser is concentrated light, and damage is done by collision with a target. Whether you're hit with a 2000lb car at 30mph, 1oz of nickel-iron accellerated through a mass driver to 12 times the speed of sound, or a concentrated stream of low-mass particles moving at the speed of light, it all involves the same basic interaction.

 

[GoldenRaz]

*snip*

While I agree a 100% with the electric superpower thing I must say that chemical and nuclear are reactions creating energies, same as hydroenergy or solar energy which only refers to the terms of possible energy sources alterante from carbon-spewing fire

The law of conservation of energy states that "Energy can neither be created (produced) nor destroyed by itself. It can only be transformed", which means that the nuclear or chemical reactions releases energy already stored within the atom or the chemical compound.
So the reactions aren't creating energy, they're transforming it from one form to another.

 

[ThrobbingEgo]

This philosophy of science crap hurts my head.

 

[Hades74]

how primitive is killing a person by projectile throwing/shooting?

as for energy sotrage, think about this.. what's easier to have:
a 500 pound machine GENERATING "x" amount of energy that itself needs some energy to run/function
or
the container with "X" amount of energy that takes up 10 times less space due to the fact that it's JUST the energy (and the container)

Electricity is a method of energy transfer, in order to apply power at a location other than the generated source. Generation can be done in a wide variety of manners, involving chemical, nuclear, kinetic, etc, or combinations as needed.

Current chemical batteries would be orders of magnitude larger than a generator that puts out an equivalent amount power.

Regarding the 'primitive' nature of projectiles, you seem to lack understanding of the nature of how things interact. A laser is concentrated light, and damage is done by collision with a target. Whether you're hit with a 2000lb car at 30mph, 1oz of nickel-iron accellerated through a mass driver to 12 times the speed of sound, or a concentrated stream of low-mass particles moving at the speed of light, it all involves the same basic interaction.

I'd like to use the term "batteries" loosely I'd rather think of it as a container with buildingful of electrons, and go ahead with generating energy through nuclear means and see how small and easy to control that is, and when it comes to the little differences between interactions I agree that we're basically moving particles but since it is impossible to create or destroy matter that's basically all we can do (except maybe for ripping them in two but that would remove all the humanity in it now wouldn't it?)not to mention that there is a difference between physicall outside movement/impact of the body and subatomic particles disassembling your body into gas and ash... or simply burning :]

 

[Hades74]

*snip*

While I agree a 100% with the electric superpower thing I must say that chemical and nuclear are reactions creating energies, same as hydroenergy or solar energy which only refers to the terms of possible energy sources alterante from carbon-spewing fire

The law of conservation of energy states that "Energy can neither be created (produced) nor destroyed by itself. It can only be transformed", which means that the nuclear or chemical reactions releases energy already stored within the atom or the chemical compound.
So the reactions aren't creating energy, they're transforming it from one form to another.

Not from one to another... E=Mc2 mass is being transformed into energy as the atom disintegrates into subatomic particles classified as energy

 

[megapenguinx]

I think you'd have to explain what you mean by 'types of energy' first.

The different types of energy that are mentioned on Wikipedia are:

Mechanical (kinetic, surface, elastic potential and sound)
Gravitational
Thermal
Electric (electrostatic, electricity, magnetic and electromagnetic (light and other radiation)
Chemical
Nuclear

I have to say that chemical energy is the one that is the most used today, since all living things digest food, cars use gasoline, coal is/was used to "produce" electricity, etc.

EDIT: Is this a continuation of the superhero question? If so, then the form of energy most useful as a superpower is probably...electric! Just because you can control light and lightning.

I'd be more partial to the gravitational energy myself.

 

[Hades74]

Seriously what IS gravity???? It's attraction of matter sure but what MAKES is work???? 0_0?

 

[Maze1125]

Seriously what IS gravity???? It's attraction of matter sure but what MAKES is work???? 0_0?

The bending of space-time.

 

[Hades74]

I'd like to use the term "batteries" loosely I'd rather think of it as a container with buildingful of electrons, and go ahead with generating energy through nuclear means and see how small and easy to control that is, and when it comes to the little differences between interactions I agree that we're basically moving particles but since it is impossible to create or destroy matter that's basically all we can do (except maybe for ripping them in two but that would remove all the humanity in it now wouldn't it?)not to mention that there is a difference between physicall outside movement/impact of the body and subatomic particles disassembling your body into gas and ash... or simply burning :]

Heat is a form of energy release caused by collisions; when hydrogen and oxygen collide, they form water and release energy, and burning coal, oil, wood or anything is just more complex forms of this. Nuclear power is generated by collisions on the atomic/subatomic level. Doesn't matter whether it's electrons or planets - all power transfer is the sum of the collisions of the smallest parts of each.

 

[Agent Larkin]

Energy can not be created or destroyed only changed. Or something similar.

 

[Hoxton]

Sexual is the hottest energy around. So you can produce heat, and...um, not get cold in winter?

 

[Hades74]

I'd like to use the term "batteries" loosely I'd rather think of it as a container with buildingful of electrons, and go ahead with generating energy through nuclear means and see how small and easy to control that is, and when it comes to the little differences between interactions I agree that we're basically moving particles but since it is impossible to create or destroy matter that's basically all we can do (except maybe for ripping them in two but that would remove all the humanity in it now wouldn't it?)not to mention that there is a difference between physicall outside movement/impact of the body and subatomic particles disassembling your body into gas and ash... or simply burning :]

Heat is a form of energy release caused by collisions; when hydrogen and oxygen collide, they form water and release energy, and burning coal, oil, wood or anything is just more complex forms of this. Nuclear power is generated by collisions on the atomic/subatomic level. Doesn't matter whether it's electrons or planets - all power transfer is the sum of the collisions of the smallest parts of each.

Caused by, but ultimately what kills you is the chain reaction complexity of which is exactly the difference of things I am talking about right now, also my point being that it seems to me that the smaller you go the more civilized or malicious it is... ex nanites tearing a body apart > boulder smooshing the body into a pancake

 

[Hades74]

Caused by, but ultimately what kills you is the chain reaction complexity of which is exactly the difference of things I am talking about right now, also my point being that it seems to me that the smaller you go the more civilized or malicious it is... ex nanites tearing a body apart > boulder smooshing the body into a pancake

What ultimately kills you in any case is the inability of your component parts to interact in a form that is conducive to life. A boulder squashing you is still a body of particles striking your body of particles and imparting enough energy to disrupt. Nanite deconstruction is that same concept, just in small parts. Radiation is the same, just even smaller.

Dead is dead no matter what the cause; 'civility' is a moral judgement arbitrarily applied for personal or societal use.

 

[Pimppeter2]

Sexual is the hottest energy around. So you can produce heat, and...um, not get cold in winter?

BAM CHICKA WA WA!

Okay I'm done. Pretty pointless thread am'right!

 

[GoldenRaz]

*snip*

While I agree a 100% with the electric superpower thing I must say that chemical and nuclear are reactions creating energies, same as hydroenergy or solar energy which only refers to the terms of possible energy sources alterante from carbon-spewing fire

The law of conservation of energy states that "Energy can neither be created (produced) nor destroyed by itself. It can only be transformed", which means that the nuclear or chemical reactions releases energy already stored within the atom or the chemical compound.
So the reactions aren't creating energy, they're transforming it from one form to another.

Not from one to another... E=Mc2 mass is being transformed into energy as the atom disintegrates into subatomic particles classified as energy

I don't know the specifics about E=mc^2, and can thus not come up with a good counter-argument.
Damn you for being so smart!

 

[Maze1125]

*snip*

While I agree a 100% with the electric superpower thing I must say that chemical and nuclear are reactions creating energies, same as hydroenergy or solar energy which only refers to the terms of possible energy sources alterante from carbon-spewing fire

The law of conservation of energy states that "Energy can neither be created (produced) nor destroyed by itself. It can only be transformed", which means that the nuclear or chemical reactions releases energy already stored within the atom or the chemical compound.
So the reactions aren't creating energy, they're transforming it from one form to another.

Not from one to another... E=Mc2 mass is being transformed into energy as the atom disintegrates into subatomic particles classified as energy

I don't know the specifics about E=mc^2, and can thus not come up with a good counter-argument.

I can.
The equation E=mc^2 is an equation of mass-energy equivalence, not transference.
Mass and energy are one and the same, they don't turn from one to the other, they are each other.
When a particle meets its antiparticle and they turn into photons, that isn't the creation of energy, it's the release of energy that was already there, just in the form of matter.

 

[Hades74]

*snip*

While I agree a 100% with the electric superpower thing I must say that chemical and nuclear are reactions creating energies, same as hydroenergy or solar energy which only refers to the terms of possible energy sources alterante from carbon-spewing fire

The law of conservation of energy states that "Energy can neither be created (produced) nor destroyed by itself. It can only be transformed", which means that the nuclear or chemical reactions releases energy already stored within the atom or the chemical compound.
So the reactions aren't creating energy, they're transforming it from one form to another.

Not from one to another... E=Mc2 mass is being transformed into energy as the atom disintegrates into subatomic particles classified as energy

I don't know the specifics about E=mc^2, and can thus not come up with a good counter-argument.

I can.
The equation E=mc^2 is an equation of mass-energy equivalence, not transference.
Mass and energy are one and the same, they don't turn from one to the other, they are each other.
When a particle meets its antiparticle and they turn into photons, that isn't the creation of energy, it's the release of energy that was already there, just in the form of matter.

Indeed but that matter must be broken up or at least modified in SOME way for it to be actual energy rather than something common like a sandwich, we can't just lay it down and wait for it to blow, electrons/protons/neutrons must be set loose but altogether they do not act like an energy particle but rather a physical thing therefore they aren't trully enregy.... yet