Enraged Nerd Herd Pummels Would-Be Thieves

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Lord S. Binkleheimer said:
Mornelithe said:
DTWolfwood said:
anyone think its strange that i kept thinking some1 needed to grab a blunt object to strike them with? or maybe a chair?
Kinda wished I was there, I always carry a knife on me, and lord help anyone trying to steal from me who doesn't visibly have a gun in their hand.
I believe the rule of thumb was seven feet when it came to guns vs. knives.
I have a few cop friends who say their rule is 21 feet, as they've had people about 20 feet out with knifes charge a cop, and his adrenaline was pumping so fast he didn't feel the bullets and was able to stab the cop.

I would't suggest carrying a knife though, as if the cops come later and you don't have a permit or a good reason for the weapon it could be used against you in your case. Though that doesn't mean I don't understand if someone was living in a area where that knife could be a big difference between life and death, then I'd so go for it.

As for the nerds, good for them. If I was there, the minute the guy hit the clerk I would be all over him and kicked his ass. Military brat with training AND a proud gamer makes a fun combination when it comes to these situations :D
 

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best they didnt get all "mortal Kombat" on the robbers asses, otherwise someone would of gotten decapitated by a flyin baseball cap or somethin.

HaHA Dont Fuck With Gamers!
 

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Mornelithe said:
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But again really? The robbers were idiots and pricks but isn't wanting to knife them completely over the top? I mean beat them up sure, teach them a lesson but shanking them just seems more psychotic than they are.
I don't think psychotic is really the right term, definitely not 100% stable, but not necessarily psychotic. I mean, I don't purposefully go out intending on knifing someone. Nor do I put myself in situations where I may have to. I simply carry a knife on me at all times (Mainly for utilitarian purposes...but, you never know) and that was really my point. I know a great many who do the same, and these robbers simply lucked out. I'd personally get some satisfaction, knowing that as soon as they were released 'pending investigation' they'd be going to the hospital for stitches.

I'm more inclined to side with Rorschach (Watchmen), and his view on crime and punishment, than the case worker questioning him.
Ok I'm sorry, I know I'm being a dick by carrying this on but you did say you 'wished' you were there, presumably to knife them. That's the bit that caught my attention. And stabbing a person anywhere on their body is pretty risky - would you really want to murder a petty thief?

In lighter news, my 200th post!
 

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Never mess with a mans DS, or a PC gamer store. :D

I need to find a place like this nearby in the UK damnit, i'd love to go to a place like that to socialise.
 

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So the guys who fight against crime get punished but the criminals go free? What the hell?

I wouldn't allow them to take my stuff. Knives are very easy to stop, delfect the stab and step in, then elbow to the throat/head. Grab the forearm on the arm the bad guy has the knife in to keep him from stabbing and don't let your grip slip to the elbow. If he can bend his arm, he can stab you. Hit the back of the elbow hard and it will break and they will drop the weapon.
Guns on the other hand are a bit tougher. You have to approach from an angle they can't see you and immediatly go for the forearm and break the elbow.
 

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Awww, every time something awesome happens in nerd culture I miss it. But I suppose this was for the best. Had I been there I probably would have mutilated the suspect that got pinned down. With a stylus. To the eyeball. People underestimate the sharpness of those things.

And for clarification it would be an XL stylus.

OT: Yay for nerds!
 

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I wish the CCTV footage had sound "Get your mother fucking hands, off my mother fucking DS, GRRARAWWWWWWWRRRRR *shirt tearing sounds*"
 

Benny Blanco

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Mornelithe said:
AlexWinter said:
Mornelithe said:
DTWolfwood said:
anyone think its strange that i kept thinking some1 needed to grab a blunt object to strike them with? or maybe a chair?
Kinda wished I was there, I always carry a knife on me, and lord help anyone trying to steal from me who doesn't visibly have a gun in their hand.
Tbh that's the most retarded thing I've ever heard come from an adult's mouth. Learn some self-defence, don't carry weapons around that can be turned against you. Also if you're carrying a knife around you're more likely to jump into some stupid fight that could be easily avoided.
Taken with a grain of salt, as it's coming from someone on the internet. Funny though, because I've been in maybe 5 fights, tops. In 31 years. Practiced Moo Gong Do for 3 years, and work with my brother on Jiu-Jitsu and Taichi. Tbh, it's typical for someone to run their face about another they don't know, on the internet. Because, seriously, you learn so much about a person without ever meeting them face to face.
At the risk of spiraling into another battle of the internet hardmen, I think he just meant that good unarmed self-defence should be your first line. I helped teach a seminar last week where there was a guy a little too willing to go for a knife and that dependence ruined his other technique. We got him to try escaping from a mount held by Jez (a pretty skinny guy). He couldn't. His response was "well, if I could have used my knife I'd have been out quickly."
The consensus was "If you had gone for your knife, Jez would have taken it off you and shoved it up your arse."

None of the systems you mentioned are remotely blade oriented and all have enormous shortfalls as "self-defence" systems.

Also, quite apart from legal concerns (carrying may be legal, but stabbing usually isn't) the best reason not to carry a knife is that someone you draw it on who does know what to do can kill you with it pretty fast and often legally, since you just attacked them with lethal force.

demoman_chaos said:
So the guys who fight against crime get punished but the criminals go free? What the hell?

I wouldn't allow them to take my stuff. Knives are very easy to stop, delfect the stab and step in, then elbow to the throat/head. Grab the forearm on the arm the bad guy has the knife in to keep him from stabbing and don't let your grip slip to the elbow. If he can bend his arm, he can stab you. Hit the back of the elbow hard and it will break and they will drop the weapon.
Guns on the other hand are a bit tougher. You have to approach from an angle they can't see you and immediatly go for the forearm and break the elbow.
Knives are easy to disarm? That kind of depends on the level of skill of the wielder as well as the angle of attack. Even the grip the assailant has makes an enormous difference. The icepick grip is relatively simple but a lot of people just give you the sewing machine. Your explanation is a bit ambiguous about how you "deflect the stab", "step in" etc.

Bear in mind that knives cut as well as puncturing- any attempt at a grab exposes vulnerable areas to cutting damage. Whereas with a gun, all you need to do is be out of the line of fire and/or able to prevent the weapon firing.

Frankly in either situation I'd be inclined to hand over my valuables (worth much less than my life) and unless the gunman/knife assailant was intent on hurting me or someone close to me that would be it.
 

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I'm concerned about the long term repercussions of:

"We're gamers, we've been immersed in that culture where like we all want to be Superman. You know we're missing something partial in our brain that says, 'Yeah, this might be dangerous'," he said. "I mean it's Devin's place but it's also ours, like this is where we come to hang out."

I can virtually guarantee this incident and that "confession" by a gamer claimning gamers are insane due to the culture they are in and self destructive is going to come up at some point for the anti- video gaming crowd.

I'm also admittedly a little miffed that apparently there were two assasilants but the guy defending himself by pulling a can opener was also taken into custody. But then again in many places the law is that you can't defend yourself and have to flee, and can only use force to protect yourself if your chased down. Legally the guy might have had to turn over his DS where this happened and let the police sort it out, which is just wrong.

As far as coming to the aid of the clerk goes, I am also concerned that it can be argued that this showed warped priorities. But then again, it also raises legal questions if Hays was arrested, what would have happened if the Good Samaritan law was invoked and he had come to the clerk/owners aid.

While not as dramatic in a legal sense (above and beyond how I suspect this will be used at some point) this makes me think of "Kitty Genevieve" who started the whole good Samaritan thing when she was chased down and killed and nobody wanted to get involved while watching it happen due to fear of the repercussions to them. Incidently in the Watchmen movie a certain popular vigilante was supposed to have made his mask from her dress (I don't remember if this was in the comic or not since it's been a while).

Here was a guy being beaten down, and nobody got involved. What's more a guy defending himself was apparently arrested. I understand the reason for some of the applicable laws, but at the same time I have to ask "why haven't we learned our lesson here yet?", I thought Kitty taught us what we needed through her death.

Also as a final note in this long ramble, I will say that I think people who commit crimes like this in Hawaii are kind of stupid, darwinism at it's finest. I say this because the islands are not all that big (in a general sense) and there aren't all that many places to hide if you wind up being hunted. Unlike committing a crime elsewhere, where there are plenty of places to try and run to or hide in. I mean I understand they were wearing masks and relying on anonymity, but at the same time I'd think you'd have to be stupid to try something like this in that enviroment, because even if things go perfectly the odds are much lower than they would be elsewhere.
 

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DTWolfwood said:
anyone think its strange that i kept thinking some1 needed to grab a blunt object to strike them with? or maybe a chair?
Mt thoughts more or less, so yeah very strange.