Epic Considers Banning Those Who Spoiled Gears 3
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i find the entire gears of war franchise frustrating and unimaginative. corridor, cutscene, corridor, cutscene. epic should do the world a favor and ban everyone.
I think its just MP ban. They can do that if they wish with no recourse. THe game will still work, but connecting to the gears online section likely won't.RikuoAmero said:
Anyone that played the leaked build had a JTAG xbox, and doesn't give two shits about XBL and getting banned, or they have two consoles.
It never says banning a gamertag. That's a MICROSOFT thing. I doubt Epic can tell Microsoft to ban people just cause.
I though there were insuating that if someone has the same XBL name as someone who uploaded a youtube video of the leaked build, they would be banned on those grounds. Or something similar.
So if someone re-upped a video they found elsewhere, they could get banned by Epic just because? Yea that is going to go over so well.
It never says banning a gamertag. That's a MICROSOFT thing. I doubt Epic can tell Microsoft to ban people just cause.
I though there were insuating that if someone has the same XBL name as someone who uploaded a youtube video of the leaked build, they would be banned on those grounds. Or something similar.
So if someone re-upped a video they found elsewhere, they could get banned by Epic just because? Yea that is going to go over so well.
Epic would lose.Kheapathic said:
Regardless of past acts against the plaintiffs, Epic can not legally sell a product with the full and premeditative knowledge the product would not work. This would fall under consumer fraud laws, a criminal action that can be punished by jail time, and not just a civil one like piracy. So yeah, fight a misdemeanor by committing a criminal act seems like a very smart move by Epic.
Personally I don't swing either way on this matter but I have always leaned more towards the pirates. While I agree that the developers should do things to protect their income, I feel they need to look towards more accurate, effective and legal methods then what has been presented. My biggest gripe in the whole mess is that it is consumers, legal buyers of the products, that end up getting screwed over while the majority of the causes are left without being addressed, let alone corrected.
This current attempt isn't to bad as far as they go:
effective - Not very effective, people who have been targeted will just recreate their ID's and skirt the system with ease. They better not put much money behind this as being their primary protective means.
accuracy - At least it has a case by case feel to it, so there will be evidence against the people banned. Could of just been some sort of Google search system that automatically bans people based on the fact they have a Xbox and a youtube account.
Legal - To be seen as even with a not-so-hidden clause justifying it Epic would find the contract being overturned as such clauses often are viewed as enough to render a contract invalid, in and of themselves. Courts really have a narrow tolerance at people trying to put 'you can't take this to court' clauses in contacts.
Extra points for logical, precise, thinkingsnfonseka said:
The largest problem with all anti-piracy moves is the pirates download the versions without the protections and don't by the real thing... ever.
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Maybe instead of demonizing your consumers you can design your product so that its worth playing more than just watching. I never really considered Gears of War as a series with such fantastic twists and nuanced storytelling to warrant a lawyer enforced spoiler block. The gameplay is what everyone wants, and you cant get that from watching on YouTube.
That's not true. Especially in the case on people who are pirating an early build. Many people in this case are not pirating because they won't buy the game, but pirating because they CAN'T WAIT to buy the game. Now, those people will probably read the news about how they might be banned, not buy the game, and pirate again to avoid DRM. Epic just lost sales. Good job.Jinx_Dragon said:
To continue my main point (sorry for short side tangent), many pirates DO purchase the same products that they pirate.
Game doesn't have a demo available, but you can't afford to throw $60 at a title that might suck. Consumer decides to pirate the game. If it sucks, they delete the files. If it is awesome, they go out and buy the game.
A friend tells the consumer that he HAS to buy a specific movie. The consumer has no interest in the movie, but respects the friend enough to give it a try. He decides to pirate the film. If it sucks, he deletes the files. If he likes it, he buys the DVD.
A young girl wants to listen to a foreign artist who was on a movie soundtrack. The artist's music isn't available for purchase in the United States and her parents won't let her buy anything online. She pirates the artist's music. Once she turns 18 and gets a credit card in her own name, she celebrates by finally purchasing those foreign CDs.
I'm not suggesting that pirating is ok. Pirating is illegal and bad and no one should ever ever do it ever. I do not endorse pirating.
What I am saying is that some of those downloads turn into sales. Just because someone illegally downloads something does not mean they will not turn around and purchase the item. Especially if the downloaded version was a lower quality or unfinished version, as in this case.
I'm losing focus so I'll try to finish up with one last thing... I was confronted with a statistic once, when I was working a loss prevention job (loss prevention is anti-theft for those of you who don't know)... I can't speak to the source or accuracy of the statistic, but I trust it.
10% of people will always steal no matter the circumstances
10% of people will never ever even consider stealing
20% of people will think about stealing, but never ever act on it
The officer presenting this information insisted that loss prevention employees shouldn't be concerned with these people. You can't do anything with these people. You can't change their behavior. Don't try.
60% of people will steal if they are given the opportunity...
These are the people you should worry about. These are the people that you can influence. That may seem like a depressing statistic. More than half of the people you meet will steal from you if they can. Here's where things get interesting though.
Out of that group of people who will steal if given the opportunity: 90% of them will not steal if they are acknowledged in a friendly and inviting way.
By simply smiling and saying "hi" you can turn 90% of potential shoplifters (those who fell into the "opportunity" group) into paying customers.
Similarly, if someone pirates online... and they discover that they like what they stole... they may decide to pay for it. I know for a fact that it happens. And I'm confident that if companies reconsider their approach, they can minimize loss and generate sales by turning pirates to paying customers. No DRM required.
I could be wrong here, but I thought to play pirated games on the 360, you need a hacked Xbox. Hacked Xboxs can't even play online or they get the console banned. How is Epic even going to catch anyone after assuming the pirate is going to buy the game. I though all Epic games were no longer being made for the PC because the piracy rate (or what they consider as "permanently lost sales") was too high.
Actually they still are. I myself have used several leaked games, and I went ahead and bought them all legit anyways.Aeshi said:
My personal experience with games has been one of if a game is opened most retailers won't take the item back. From my experience most retailers will simply offer you a new copy of the game, if you claim something is wrong with the game. This would not solve the problem Epic is presenting. And in some rare cases/you get a nice person you might get store credit back. But you're never going to see a full cash refund from retailers.SilentHunter7 said: