Epstein Prison Guards admit to falsifying testimony on night of his death

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Yeah. Him, the Clintons, the British royal family, and countless other people had rather compelling reasons to want Epstein to die.
This could actually be the setup to a sketch: all these groups pay to have Jeff whacked but the ones who got beaten to the punch are trying to get a refund.
Or, just because it amuses me greatly, it turns out they all unknowingly and independently paid the same guy to do it and the assassin just became wealthy enough to buy his own Caribbean island and retire.
And as they are trying to get the refund, they unwittingly provide evidence to the police of everyone hiring the same hitman
Someone have Tarantino's number? I think the plot for his next movie just wrote itself.
 

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I mean why bother? Bill Gates is so rich laws simply don't apply to him. He has like buy an entire country levels of money. He has nothing to fear from Epstein. Even recordings of Bill raping children won't get him in trouble, he's simply too wealthy.
The British royal family however have a lot to lose if it comes out they're party of an international sex trafficking ring.
He still gets embarrassed. I'd imagine he wants more out of life than just what money can buy.
 

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He still gets embarrassed. I'd imagine he wants more out of life than just what money can buy.
I mean maybe? Having that amount of money changes you. Im not sure he can be embarrassed the same way you and I can. I think that amount of money makes you just emotionally immune to things.
That's why Trump never seemed like a billionaire. When you have that much money, you don't care what other people think. Trump was desperate to get people to believe he had billions, while also scrapping and grubbing for every red cent he could find.
 

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Do you think people like Gates and Bill Clinton didn't distances themselves from Epstein after 2006? Steve Pinker or Naomi Campbell?
Naomi Campbell the actress? Had something to do with this mess? 2006 the 1st Epstein arrest (or cops had probable cause)? I do wonder when Clinton's last trip on Epstein's airplane was. Regardless, I'm starting to hear of odd things with Gates too. The super rich are different from us. G-d help them.
 

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I mean maybe? Having that amount of money changes you. Im not sure he can be embarrassed the same way you and I can. I think that amount of money makes you just emotionally immune to things.
That's why Trump never seemed like a billionaire. When you have that much money, you don't care what other people think. Trump was desperate to get people to believe he had billions, while also scrapping and grubbing for every red cent he could find.
Perhaps, but he had/has a gigantic public relations effort. And I assume he didn't really want his marriage to fall apart (apparently due in part to his relation to Epstein).
 

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Naomi Campbell the actress? Had something to do with this mess? 2006 the 1st Epstein arrest (or cops had probable cause)? I do wonder when Clinton's last trip on Epstein's airplane was. Regardless, I'm starting to hear of odd things with Gates too. The super rich are different from us. G-d help them.
I think in part the super rich can afford to not have impulse control. We live in a capitalistic world, and dollars talks. They simply can afford to do the weird, crazy, or downright despicable shit that dwells in the darkest corners of our minds. They're like Slaanesh corruption in 40k, always looking for more extremes. Once you go around like Bruce Wayne buying hotels and philandering with the Moscow ballet you realize there's not much limit to what you can do, and not many laws that can touch you, and more than a few desperate nations that will look the other way on anything for a bribe.
They say money changes you, and we all hope we'd be the exception, but who knows what 4 decades of being the richest man in the world does to someone's sense of self and importance?
 
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My go-to was Prince Andrew. Royalty as a whole, and the British family specifically, are losing favor and are on the way out. So it getting out at least one member of the family is a serial pedophile would be a huge nail in that coffin. And I suspect Andrew isn't the only member of the Royal family with a penchant for buggering kids.
If they are losing favor and "on the way out" why would someone risk such a crime for them? The waning star isn't the one you curry favor with, it's the new hotness, whoever that would be in this case, or whoever is firmly still in positions of power and influence. Just seems like a lot of risk for the most minimal of gains, if we're talking about factions involved.
 

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If they are losing favor and "on the way out" why would someone risk such a crime for them? The waning star isn't the one you curry favor with, it's the new hotness, whoever that would be in this case, or whoever is firmly still in positions of power and influence. Just seems like a lot of risk for the most minimal of gains, if we're talking about factions involved.
I mean look at all European history. People get weird about Royal families. I cant imagine why someone would take up a sword and shield, leave their home and family to go hack at another dude in a muddy field somewhere because two cousins that are fucking each other's sisters are fighting over which of them has the fanciest hat and controls the wheat trade. But fuck me millions of people did for hundreds of years!
 

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I think in part the super rich can afford to not have impulse control. We live in a capitalistic world, and dollars talks. They simply can afford to do the weird, crazy, or downright despicable shit that dwells in the darkest corners of our minds. They're like Slaanesh corruption in 40k, always looking for more extremes. Once you go around like Bruce Wayne buying hotels and philandering with the Moscow ballet you realize there's not much limit to what you can do, and not many laws that can touch you, and more than a few desperate nations that will look the other way on anything for a bribe.
They say money changes you, and we all hope we'd be the exception, but who knows what 4 decades of being the richest man in the world does to someone's sense of self and importance?
I've been hearing more of Hunter Biden's depravity. I think back to hearing of Ted Kennedy's "sandwiching" a waitress and more. They very may well live in a bubble where nothing matters.
 

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I mean look at all European history. People get weird about Royal families. I cant imagine why someone would take up a sword and shield, leave their home and family to go hack at another dude in a muddy field somewhere because two cousins that are fucking each other's sisters are fighting over which of them has the fanciest hat and controls the wheat trade. But fuck me millions of people did for hundreds of years!
....because they were raised to believe the royals were chosen by an invisible sky daddy, and that it was their divine right to rule. Plus at THAT time, they were the new hotness/supreme force in the world, so it would make sense to support them for personal gain. But, I mean why would I bother risking my life and freedom, to kill someone, so that a guy already soon to be dead anyway, doesn't get publicly known for being a pedo....when everyone already apparently knows it anyway? From a group that are now nothing more than a tourist attraction? Just doesn't add up to me.
 

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Naomi Campbell the actress? Had something to do with this mess? 2006 the 1st Epstein arrest (or cops had probable cause)? I do wonder when Clinton's last trip on Epstein's airplane was. Regardless, I'm starting to hear of odd things with Gates too. The super rich are different from us. G-d help them.
The left have never been impressed with Gates. He's stolen stuff, bribed officials, screwed up charities. You know, normal rich guy stuff. Everyone fawns on him, like Jobs, without adding much to the company himself. And, like Jobs, overvalues his product and influence

I dont know about pedophilia. It's not something I've heard about him over the decades... but I wouldn't be shocked either
 
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The left have never been impressed with Gates. He's stolen stuff, bribed officials, screwed up charities. You know, normal rich guy stuff. Everyone fawns on him, like Jobs, without adding much to the company himself. And, like Jobs, overvalues his product and influence

I dont know about pedophilia. It's not something I've heard about him over the decades... but I wouldn't be shocked either
I understand there is a difference between pedopelia (sexual attraction to the per-pubescent) and Epstein, who encouraged the abuse of post pubescent but vulnerable teens still under age. Bad in its own way. Did Gates and those like him abuse these kids? If so, we can hope punishment awaits.

I understand Jobs was a jerk in his own right. Mean. Un-attentive to the child he bore. A connection between being a genius and an ahole? Dunno.
 

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On Epstein after his first round of charges. He was apparently mostly welcomed back into the elite social scene and few people distanced themselves from him really. Maybe in public they did but in private many still kept in contact.

Trump oddly really did pull back before the charges and really did supposedly distance himself from Epstein from quite early on. Most of his interactions or talk with him was when mutual associates and friends were present from what I remember reading.

They say money changes you, and we all hope we'd be the exception,
I mean money wouldn't change me much. I'd just be an asshole inside my own private Tank lol.
 

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Next you're gonna tell me K-Pop bands are part of South Korean prostitutions rings and their world tours are covers for their activities.
Hey? Admittedly, I don't know anything about K-Pop, and maybe this would be really obvious to anyone who does.
 

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I must admit that all the conspiracy talk is making me a bit uneasy. It does so because it implicitly downplays that Epstein most likely actually was suicidal and that his autopsy does state his cause of death as suicide. Instead of talking about how even someone as rich, powerful and influential as Epstein can face existential dread at the prospect at being publicly shamed and incarcerated for his crimes and how that is a common reason for suicidal ideation, we are making up conspiracy theories about who put out a hit on him.

Don't get me wrong, Epstein was an ass and I struggle to care much that he killed himself. I just think we should be having a conversation about suicide and suicide prevention instead of talking about how Prince Harry might have hired an assassin. Because the testimonies that started this thread sound exactly like every suicide in in-patient psychiatric care I've ever heard off: The staff hasn't made a proper suicide risk assessment and doesn't take their monitoring seriously, which gives a suicidal person the time to prepare and orchestrate a suicide attempt. This is sadly both way too common in both healthcare, prisons and holding cells as well as a well known problem.
Well his cause of death was a broken neck.
The method of his death is the question.
The official version so far is that he fashioned a noose out of bed sheets and threw himself head first off the top bunk and the force broke his neck.

The issue is considering most places the top bunk height is probably shorter than average peoples height so adding something to the length from the bars on the bunk (the bedsheets) would mean for Epstein to pull off such a suicide he'd probably have to have locked his legs in place under him as when he was falling his legs would hit the floor breaking his momentum somewhat. If he'd died of strangulation I can see that but that's some serious level of determination and work to break your own neck the way he did it.

It's also odd the CCTV in the jail for the hours around his death was also erased I mean it doesn't seem to mention the guard having done it so who did? Hell why did they wipe it?
 

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In the parlance of my youth when diving off jetties it was called the "canonball", to tuck your legs in under you and hold them in place with your arms as you jumped. If the cause of death was a broken neck it is far more believable that he managed a proper hanging of himself then that some mafioso managed to break it. Breaking someone's neck requires a lot of force and isn't instantaneous which mean Epstein would have defensive wounds from when he tried to break the hold of whoever did it. Since manually breaking a neck also requires some sort of leverage, since very few people have the strength to actually do it, that'd necessitate a struggle to put Epstein head onto the bed, window sill or other protrusion against which the assailant could then lodge Epstein's head and apply force to his body. Something which, yet again, would be precipitated by a struggle and would leave ample evidence of such on Epstein's body and in the cell.

But hey, I mean, it is not like suicidal people show great determination to kill themselves. It is after all trivially easy to jump in front of a speeding train, slash open your own arm or tie, secure and put a noose around your neck...



The two guards with access to the CCTV were slacking off and not doing their job. I wonder what reason they would have to erase the CCTV footage...
Monitoring the CCTV feeds is not the same thing as having access to the feeds. In most modern systems I’m familiar with the footage would be stored on an off-site data centre. The days of being able to just wipe, record over or burn the tapes are long behind us in professional institutions.
 
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I must admit that all the conspiracy talk is making me a bit uneasy. It does so because it implicitly downplays that Epstein most likely actually was suicidal and that his autopsy does state his cause of death as suicide. Instead of talking about how even someone as rich, powerful and influential as Epstein can face existential dread at the prospect at being publicly shamed and incarcerated for his crimes and how that is a common reason for suicidal ideation, we are making up conspiracy theories about who put out a hit on him.

Don't get me wrong, Epstein was an ass and I struggle to care much that he killed himself. I just think we should be having a conversation about suicide and suicide prevention instead of talking about how Prince Harry might have hired an assassin. Because the testimonies that started this thread sound exactly like every suicide in in-patient psychiatric care I've ever heard off: The staff hasn't made a proper suicide risk assessment and doesn't take their monitoring seriously, which gives a suicidal person the time to prepare and orchestrate a suicide attempt. This is sadly both way too common in both healthcare, prisons and holding cells as well as a well known problem.
He literally died the way they showed a prison “suicide” assassination works in The Wire. It’s not even slightly difficult to imagine why people think a system that does nothing but lie to them may have killed the dude. And when we’ve all seen law enforcement lie around the circumstances of far more trivial scenarios (see any of the dozens of police shooting threads here)... well, I gotta say I find it harder to understand not at least considering the possibility.
 
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