Escape to the Movies: Alice in Wonderland

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Alice in Wonderland

MovieBob goes down the rabbit hole and reviews Alice in Wonderland.

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The link apears to be broken.

Aparently if I had waited 30 seconds more the video would have finished being uploaded to the site, live and learn I guess.

Disapointed that the Bob thinks the movie sucked, I was kind of thinking of going to see it.
 

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Loved the special message. I've hated a lot of Tim Burton's movies expect for one. Sweeny Todd. And I've have yet to watch a Nightmare before Christmas and refuse too. Judging by your review, this is crap. Thank you moviebob
 

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Ugh, I was looking forward to this to. Seriously, why couldn't make a faithful adaptation to story and call it day?
 

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Again, I thank the Escapist for that ad, which will drastically reduce the number of people with brains who will actually buy that game, thus keeping the multiplayer servers of games I like free of morons.
 

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I kind of saw this coming I was not really excited to see this film. I mean it looked pretty but looking pretty does not make a good film. So im skipping this one . Oh and on a side note I liked Charlie and the chocolate factory but to each his own.
 

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Huh, as I actually like his take on Willy Wonka's Chocolate Factory, I might like this movie too, I guess.
 

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LOOK AT ME!

I haven't even watched the rest of the movie yet, and this had me rolling on the floor.
 

Triaed

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I am still watching it, it seems like a good adaptation. The story itself is weak anyway, so the movie will reflect that. I agree that adding CGI to a weak story does not make it better, really, but it should be watchable.
 
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Another Tim Burton crap-fest that all the emo douche bag wannabes will jump all over. Seriously, Nightmare Before Christmas was brilliant, then all the Twilight-esque fangirls jumped all over it and now I get a bad taste in my mouth If I so much as consider watching it.
 

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Aura Guardian said:
Loved the special message. I've hated a lot of Tim Burton's movies expect for one. Sweeny Todd. And I've have yet to watch a Nightmare before Christmas and refuse too. Judging by your review, this is crap. Thank you moviebob
I love it when people make dogmatic assumptions.
At any rate, the general consensus seems to imply that the action climax is unwarranted.
When I've seen it myself, I'll form my opinion.

- Sweeney Todd, by the way, was Burton's most drab and uninspired film to date.
 

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Based on the trailer, I had this uneasy feeling that the "EPIC WAR BETWIN GOOD AND EVIL WOOT!" would not fit together with Alice In Wonderland at all.

Looks like I was right...
 

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Daystar Clarion said:
Another Tim Burton crap-fest that all the emo douche bag wannabes will jump all over. Seriously, Nightmare Before Christmas was brilliant, then all the Twilight-esque fangirls jumped all over it and now I get a bad taste in my mouth If I so much as consider watching it.
I really like the way you put it. I full agree with you good sir.
 

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Actually, I'm honestly surprised you didn't mention Armond White in the beginning of your review in reply to those criticisms that you've apparently been getting. Seriously, guys, Armond White called Martin Scorcese a hack. And he's got one of the worst tastes in movies on this side of reality. And need I mention his "Better Than" lists that he writes up at the end of every year? Ugh! *shudders*

In other news, I might look at this myself, if only to get a small inkling of what to expect in terms of Sweeney Todd's visual style...
 

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well what a shame. It still looks absoluetly fantastic but I need more than that in my movies.

Lets hope his next film is another "Edward Scissorhands" instead of another "Chocolate Factory." I really want another Burton hit, not another Burton tragedy.
 

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I don't like the look's of this film, reminds me of across the universe too much.
 

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Wait wait wait, it has fight scenes? This is based on Alice in Wonderland? What?
 

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mchoueiri said:
I kind of saw this coming I was not really excited to see this film. I mean it looked pretty but looking pretty does not make a good film.
Not going to point out what that says about Avatar, but I AM hoping for an upset Sunday.

This review has now prompted me to dig out American McGee's Alice this weekend and have some fun with a psycho totally leagal gal dealing with the death of her family.
 

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Yeah this film did look a little too predictable, I'm not surprised that Johnny Depp and Helena Bonom Carter hog all the screen time because Tim Burton loves them so much.

Still going to see it though.
 

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Aura Guardian said:
Loved the special message. I've hated a lot of Tim Burton's movies expect for one. Sweeny Todd. And I've have yet to watch a Nightmare before Christmas and refuse too. Judging by your review, this is crap. Thank you moviebob

I think you mean "Judging by your review, you are crap. Thank you bob"

But in all seriousness, if I WAS to listen to a critic I'll listen to Ebert, a PROFESSIONAL who has spent his whole career (or at least a damn many years) reviewing movies, also don't listen to critics, go see the movie (theater or pirated) and judge for yourself, don't let other people decide for you, that's just fucking stupid
 

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I really liked the movie, but the review was still 100% accurate. Granted it wasn't my favorite Alice in Wonderland adaptation (that honor still goes to American McGee's Alice -- that guy has either the best or the worst name ever; not sure which). But I wholeheartedly agree that Charlie and the Chocolate Factory was Burton's worst film.
 

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Hmm I was vaguely look ing forward to this one. oh well.
LOOK AT ME!
that bit had me laughing really hard. I still have no desire to see halo legends though...
 

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ALLRIGHT IM LOOKING AT YOU! Dammnit.

Also... Seriously? Broadsword?
 

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Sad to see its not good, I was slightly interested in this movie.

I guess I'll just rent it when it comes out on DVD.

Also your special message in the beginning made me laugh.
 

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Wasn't the whole "Alice returns to wonderland, hell has broken loose" thing already done in a videogame? With a similar setup, similar visual style and the same villan? Or did I just dream that...

Still, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory>Planet of the apes every day.
 

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First, MovieBob shouldn't feel like he has to apologize to anybody. He does a great job with his videos and is never begging for, or doing outrageous things for attention.

Secondly, that was a great video. I had the slight urge to go see it, and now Moviebob saved my money! Thanks Bob!

Is Repomen out yet?!?!?
 

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Skeleon said:
Huh, as I actually like his take on Willy Wonka's Chocolate Factory, I might like this movie too, I guess.
No, I'm completely with you on that one. I don't think I ever heard someone like Charlie less than Planet of the Apes; pretty much any Burton discussion I heard assumes that's at the bottom and just moves on from there. It's like Pixar and Cars. Critically, it didn't even do that bad, getting about the same score as things like "Corpse Bride" and actually above "Batman" and "Big Fish." As for me, I liked it more than even the original movie, largely because of the songs and how it made Willy into an actual character, albeit at the expense of Charlie.
 

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Don't be so worried if this adaptation turns out shit. There are about 20 other Alice in Wonderland movies out there, all varying degrees of success in regards to staying true to the original plot/being a decent movie. Hell, there is even a 70s pornographic, comedy musical of Alice in Wonderland (I shit you not).

One of my favourites, besides the old disney cartoon, would be the 1999 NBC television film http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_in_Wonderland_(1999_film). That one at least makes some reference to the fact that Alice through the Looking Glass is a seperate story(i.e - the sequel Tim Burton probably should have tried to make), rather than just lumping characters from either stories into one narrative.
 

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Tim Burton, a man famous for his quirky obsessions and interpretations of popular media. Lewis Caroll, a man at home with mathematics who delighted people with logical mind games made real through fairy tale like fantasy. I know which one sounds more appealing to me.

I suppose that this could be work like Mars Attacks where it is such an over the top corny take on a genre that it provides some sort of catharsis for the other over the top corny takes on a genre that you are supposed to take seriously. On the other hand it might not.
 

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I was tickled at the start. Found that quite funny. Had no intention of watching the movie, but always good to check your assumptions are correct/not correct! :D
 

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The beginning made me cackle madly! :D I've never been a big fan of Tim Burton, but I guess I still gotta go see it. I think my friends will force me to go watch it anyways.
 

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gilgamesh32 said:
Wasn't the whole "Alice returns to wonderland, hell has broken loose" thing already done in a videogame? With a similar setup, similar visual style and the same villan? Or did I just dream that...
Yeah, that's a cult game. I heard there were supposed to be making a movie adaptation of just that. I guess this is what we got instead. They should have re-released that game.
 

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By the way, in addition to American McGee's Alice, you might also check out the Alice is Dead [http://jayisgames.com/tag/aliceisdead] series of Flash games floating around the web... they're creepy as hell, and fucking awesome.
 

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[HEADING=1]LOOK AT ME!![/HEADING]

Funny intro, detailed description, predictable outcome. The story (or lack thereof) is suppose to centre around Alice, not Mr. Depp.
 

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I'll still go see it; I like good visuals. And I always try to give Tim Burton a chance. Sort of regretted that with Planet of the Apes, but I'm sticking by it. I ended up liking his Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, so I might like this.
 

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I still think I'll check it out. I usually ignore most of Burton's main plotlines to focus on the strange and interesting characters and sights he populates his movies with, so the "Lord of the Rings in Wonderland" bit doesn't really phase me. I've known for years that his overall plots usually fall flat.

Jabberwocky as a Death Star. Nice!

Ergh. Hot Topic. Must... control... fist... of... death...
 

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I sometimes wonder if Burton should just force his wife and Depp to have an illegitimate love child and get over it already.

As for the review, I actually liked Charlie and the Chocolate factory, and though I expect you're probably right about this film, I'll probably be seeing it. You never know, I might like it.
 
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Quiet Stranger said:
Aura Guardian said:
Loved the special message. I've hated a lot of Tim Burton's movies expect for one. Sweeny Todd. And I've have yet to watch a Nightmare before Christmas and refuse too. Judging by your review, this is crap. Thank you moviebob

I think you mean "Judging by your review, you are crap. Thank you bob"

But in all seriousness, if I WAS to listen to a critic I'll listen to Ebert, a PROFESSIONAL who has spent his whole career (or at least a damn many years) reviewing movies, also don't listen to critics, go see the movie (theater or pirated) and judge for yourself, don't let other people decide for you, that's just fucking stupid
I laughed hard. You do know what a reviewer is right? Someone who gives an unbiased opinion on something after taking into consideration every aspect of something. A professional opinion giver is an oxymoron.
 

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Well, I was looking forward to this one but it sounds like if I wait a week or two (and naturally matinee it), or even forget entirely and end up Netflixing it later I won't be too bad off.

Shame, because it looked like it could be so good.
 

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THANK YOU MOVIEBOB!

I am soooo glad that I wasn't the only one who hated Burton's reimagining of Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. It was hands down the worst of Burton's movies....well, and Planet of the Apes, and I am glad I have Gene Wilder's version to fall back to.

As for Alice, I figured as much. Based solely off the trailers, I knew too much time would be devoted to the Mad Hatter, and having Alice in armor looks ridiculious.

What makes me sad is that now that this has come out, there is no chance for American McGee's version of returning to Wonderland to be made as a film. That at least delves into the fact that Wonderland is actually Alice's psyche and that the more traumatized and fucked up she is, the more Wonderland is fucked up.
 

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Oh well, I liked Charlie so I am gonna give this a shot as well. Mostly cause I wanna take a girl out.

Sidenote: who was the LOOK AT ME bit directed to, at the beginning of the video? He really sounded like the Joker at some point. HAHAHA!
 

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Why does the Mad Hatter have a broadsword? They got Tolkien in my Carroll. And it doesn't taste very good.
 

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I can't be any worse than Sci-Fi (I refuse to use that stupid "hip" spelling) channel's Alice that came out a few months ago. Now that was an atrocity. Even worse than TinMan the year before.
 

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I think I've finally nailed down the difference between moviebob and ZP. I actually like it when he gives a bad review to something I've been looking forward to. I feel rescued, or diverted at the last minute from making a terrible mistake. But here, I just feel crushed and betrayed.
 

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Who called it? I called it. I knew from the first announcement that this Depp guy would be playing the Mad Hatter that this movie wouldn't stay to the original work at all.

With "Alice's Adventures in Wonderland" and "Through the Looking Glass (And What Alice Saw There)" being, hands down, my all-time favorite classic pieces of literature, I get very excited when adaptations or spin-offs occur. (Yes, even the SyFy special "Alice" hit a soft spot for me... but god that was atrocious...)

Now, I will say this, Wonderland is fairly easy to make your own. As you said, Bob, the story really is Alice going from place to place observing quirky things in the world. But some things should never be done to the place. No matter how you spin it, I will always despise the Mad Hatter. Simply because of how much of a popular character he is. Sure, he was crazy, so what? Why doesn't the dormouse or the March Hare get as much recognition as he does? They were both at the tea party. How about Bill the Lizard? Or the Duchess? There are so many people who know nothing of these characters because of how popular the mad hatter is simply because he is, well, mad! But the thing most people don't realize is that every single character in Wonderland is mad. Every last one is crazy in their own regard. To make the Mad Hatter the main character (apart from Alice... oh wait...) is simply idiocy, in my opinion.

American McGee's Alice did something right that not many other spin-offs have been able to do. It was good. It was different, it was gothic, it was good. It took what every kid who goes to Hot Topic thinks they represent and made it awesome. Hell, I'll bet most of those Hot Topic kids would never even touch the game because of how grotesque it can be.

I'm sorry. I went off on so many tangents that the above are hardly able to be understood. But it is still how I feel. Screw the Hatter. Screw Depp for that matter. Give me the Walrus and the Carpenter! Give me Bill! Give me the Dodo! The Gryphon! Fuck the Hatter!

'Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe;
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe.
Ahh... I am calm again...
 

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Sleepy Hollow was Burton's last good movie. Everything that came afterwards sucked.

And from the first time I saw Depp as the Mad Hatter I knew this movie would be no exception.

.....Oh, and it's in 3D.

EDIT. The original Disney cartoon is still the best Alice movie.
 
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First things first: Best. Opening. Ever.

And about the actual movie: Its a shame it didn't turn out good. Having recently played through American McGee's Alice, I was looking forward to this.
 

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yeah from the start of seeing what Depp looked like as the mad hatter and the trailers i was fully thinking this was going to be the unofficial Charlie in the "Chocolate Factory 2".

i think one of my favorite (and the first i have seen) of Burton's work in Nightmare before Christmas. i never saw Corpse Bride but kind of want to as well.

iv heard the basic rule that his original movies are mostly good and his remakes are generally shit. this movie seems to support that theory.

but hey at least it look/sounds cool amirite?
 

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My wife wanted to go and see this, she already bought the tickets.

I am a huge, huge fan of Alice In Wonderland and Through the Looking Glass and not so much a fan of Tim Burton over the past decade... so this is going to be, Interesting.

Lets see if I can avoid walking out of the theater.
 

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Daystar Clarion said:
Quiet Stranger said:
Aura Guardian said:
Loved the special message. I've hated a lot of Tim Burton's movies expect for one. Sweeny Todd. And I've have yet to watch a Nightmare before Christmas and refuse too. Judging by your review, this is crap. Thank you moviebob

I think you mean "Judging by your review, you are crap. Thank you bob"

But in all seriousness, if I WAS to listen to a critic I'll listen to Ebert, a PROFESSIONAL who has spent his whole career (or at least a damn many years) reviewing movies, also don't listen to critics, go see the movie (theater or pirated) and judge for yourself, don't let other people decide for you, that's just fucking stupid
I laughed hard. You do know what a reviewer is right? Someone who gives an unbiased opinion on something after taking into consideration every aspect of something. A professional opinion giver is an oxymoron.
Well at least Ebert has some credentials (as in he's spent years doing it) but it seems bob hates a lot of movies and besides Tim Burton's Alice is the best live adaptation yet
 

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Why the fuck is the Mad Hatter using a Broadsword and sword fighting? Go shoot yourself Tim Burton. Boycotting this. urggh.
 

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Tim Burton's stuff falls into the same category as Invader Zim, where in it's only popular because its one of the few big, mainstream outlets that caters to all the
Daystar Clarion said:
emo douche bag wannabes.
First The Nightmare Before Christmas had to be given a bad rep for being the cause of all this, and the Charlie and the Chocolate Factory had to come take a massive nutty-filled chocolate poo on one of my favorite classic movies, and now this. Nice...
 

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I don't know why people get so upset over other people's opinions. It's a review... you don't have to agree with it. Goodness knows that I like some supposed crap movies and I'm ok if people say they are crap because it doesn't change how I like the movie!
 

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Quiet Stranger said:
Daystar Clarion said:
Quiet Stranger said:
Aura Guardian said:
Loved the special message. I've hated a lot of Tim Burton's movies expect for one. Sweeny Todd. And I've have yet to watch a Nightmare before Christmas and refuse too. Judging by your review, this is crap. Thank you moviebob

I think you mean "Judging by your review, you are crap. Thank you bob"

But in all seriousness, if I WAS to listen to a critic I'll listen to Ebert, a PROFESSIONAL who has spent his whole career (or at least a damn many years) reviewing movies, also don't listen to critics, go see the movie (theater or pirated) and judge for yourself, don't let other people decide for you, that's just fucking stupid
I laughed hard. You do know what a reviewer is right? Someone who gives an unbiased opinion on something after taking into consideration every aspect of something. A professional opinion giver is an oxymoron.
Well at least Ebert has some credentials (as in he's spent years doing it) but it seems bob hates a lot of movies and besides Tim Burton's Alice is the best live adaptation yet
I hope you realise that Ebert said much of the same things in his review
http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100303/REVIEWS/100309990/1001
He may have more experience but it seems the two agree in this case, on most points at least
 

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maninahat said:
gilgamesh32 said:
Wasn't the whole "Alice returns to wonderland, hell has broken loose" thing already done in a videogame? With a similar setup, similar visual style and the same villan? Or did I just dream that...
Yeah, that's a cult game. I heard there were supposed to be making a movie adaptation of just that. I guess this is what we got instead. They should have re-released that game.
True, but the movie adaptation of "American McGee's Alice" has had it's feet firmly planted in development hell for a decade now. If this is the closest thing I'm ever going to get to my adaptation of "Alice" I think I may die a little inside.
 

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is it just me or has anyone else noticed that tim burtons movies never take place on nice sunny days.
 

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Hard to take the review seriously when he starts off as such an ass, be professional take your personal quarrels outside your reviews. Just saying.
 

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Hmm, interesting review there, I'm still gonna go see it on the screen though, mainly because theres nothing else to do here. I'd also rather pay £5 to see it once and be entertained and not £10 later on just for it to take up space on my shelf.
 

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I gave up on this movie when I found that the only actor whose name was on any of the posters was Johny Depp. Because it was a pretty clear sign that the movie wasn't aimed at Lewis Carrol fans, it was aimed at Depp/Burton fans. Which sends it from "surrealist literature adaptation" to "hollywood teenage girl cash-in".
 

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Skeleon said:
Huh, as I actually like his take on Willy Wonka's Chocolate Factory, I might like this movie too, I guess.
Same here, I am really excited to see what Burton has done with the story...and how twisted it truly will be
 

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Ok, ok, the battle for Narnia-like story-turns that they chose may have been a mistake, but that doesn't justify the repulsive comparisons with garish saturday morning cartoons or Power Rangers. It's not only clichéd in itself to come up with the lowest possible denominator, but can also be considered an attack on the aesthetics of the review-watchers. And what were those drug-abuse accusations towards Lewis Carroll? If that's all you can see in the stories, that's poor.
 
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Damnit Bob, I was hoping you would say this movie was amazing. I'm going to see next week (because of girl, damn you spring-time love) and I was hoping it would be somewhat good. Oh well, Hathaway is in it so I guess I'll focus on that.
 

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Marlun_42 said:
Why does the Mad Hatter have a broadsword? They got Tolkien in my Carroll. And it doesn't taste very good.
Meh, if you're going to have a Tolkien'esq final battle, why not give the Hatter a sword? He'd make a good berserker. They even have the good sense to put him out front, with his allies WELL behind him in case he hacks at them too. ;)
 

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Well either the movie industry is getting more predictable or I'm just getting better at predicting the movie industry and consumers in general.

First of all: Marla Singer as the Red Queen/Queen of Hearts. Anyone else find that funny?

When I first saw the trailer, I got really, really excited. I've never read Alice in Wonderland, and I've never seen any film adaptations for it, but I know the short version. Usually, this is exactly the kind of story that Tim Burton would be best suited for, right?

That was why I was optimistic until I saw the second half of the trailer.

"Cool! Alice is BACK in Wonderland! And everything's presented all creepy and Tim Burton-y! Wait...why does the Hatter have a sword? And why are there two epic armies marching in unison toward each other in a scene that promises to be an epic battle akin to the fight scene at the end of the first Narnia movie? Oh, Jesus. No, they didn't. They couldn't have. Not with...Alice in Wonderland of all things. Wait, I'm getting ahead of myself. Let's just watch the trailer to the end and see how horribly wrong I was."

Apparently, I wasn't wrong. This is just Alice in Narnia. It's a cynical combination of the three things that Disney knows will sell: contemporary adaptations of beloved classics, over the top special affects, and epic fight scenes. "To hell with congruity," says the Disney marketing directors. "If you produce it, they will come!"

Maybe Helena Bonham Carter being in this movie is a sign. Yeah, that must be it.

Anyone up for going Tyler Durden on Disney HQ?
 

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Quiet Stranger said:
Daystar Clarion said:
Quiet Stranger said:
Aura Guardian said:
Loved the special message. I've hated a lot of Tim Burton's movies expect for one. Sweeny Todd. And I've have yet to watch a Nightmare before Christmas and refuse too. Judging by your review, this is crap. Thank you moviebob

I think you mean "Judging by your review, you are crap. Thank you bob"

But in all seriousness, if I WAS to listen to a critic I'll listen to Ebert, a PROFESSIONAL who has spent his whole career (or at least a damn many years) reviewing movies, also don't listen to critics, go see the movie (theater or pirated) and judge for yourself, don't let other people decide for you, that's just fucking stupid
I laughed hard. You do know what a reviewer is right? Someone who gives an unbiased opinion on something after taking into consideration every aspect of something. A professional opinion giver is an oxymoron.
Well at least Ebert has some credentials (as in he's spent years doing it) but it seems bob hates a lot of movies and besides Tim Burton's Alice is the best live adaptation yet
I DISAGREE WITH MOVIEBOB!!! FLAME FLAME FLAME!!!

Seriously, Moviebob's reviews are alwase thoughtful, intelligent, and completely to the point. He provides valid reasons why most people might not like this movie ad he does so in an intelligent manner like a professional. If you don't like him you don't have to watch or post here at all.

Oh and if you honestly thought Tim Burton's horrible movie was the best adaptation yet then you haven't seen American McGee's Alice. Or heck, even the disney movie was better than this.
 

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I could tell it was going to be bad, but an epic fantasy battle? HOOOOO! The only way anyone thought this was a good idea was because Burton was directing... and well, the studio execs are idiots.

I guess the time period of once good directors making crappy movies by forgetting what made their older ones so good (lucas, Burton, Speilburg, etc) didn't end with the last decade. Shame really.
 

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Yes...look at you look at you.

Anyway. Quick question. You say that the visuals are good, but the rest is bland formulaic shallow Hollywood nonsense. Well, what's the difference between this and Avatar then?

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Quiet Stranger said:
Daystar Clarion said:
Quiet Stranger said:
Aura Guardian said:
Loved the special message. I've hated a lot of Tim Burton's movies expect for one. Sweeny Todd. And I've have yet to watch a Nightmare before Christmas and refuse too. Judging by your review, this is crap. Thank you moviebob

I think you mean "Judging by your review, you are crap. Thank you bob"

But in all seriousness, if I WAS to listen to a critic I'll listen to Ebert, a PROFESSIONAL who has spent his whole career (or at least a damn many years) reviewing movies, also don't listen to critics, go see the movie (theater or pirated) and judge for yourself, don't let other people decide for you, that's just fucking stupid
I laughed hard. You do know what a reviewer is right? Someone who gives an unbiased opinion on something after taking into consideration every aspect of something. A professional opinion giver is an oxymoron.
Well at least Ebert has some credentials (as in he's spent years doing it) but it seems bob hates a lot of movies and besides Tim Burton's Alice is the best live adaptation yet
Again, it's all based on opinion, no amount of 'professionalism' will change that. The reviewer you like is no more qualified than Movie Bob, since taste is not an objective thing.
 

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Again, I thank the Escapist for that ad, which will drastically reduce the number of people with brains who will actually buy that game, thus keeping the multiplayer servers of games I like free of morons.
Wouldn't it just increase the number of people that aren't morons? It would shift the ratio, methinks.

God damn it, I hate Tim Burton and all the bullshit recognition he gets for his sub-par directing. I was expecting it to be bad and this confirmed. No doubt I'll probably be dragged to see this by my girl friends (notice the space) and have to sit through a couple of hours of looking into Burton's weird mind.
 

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How does it compare to this Alice version http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1461312/ in which an Alice returns to Wonderland, supposedly the "best Alice in Wonderland film evah!"
 

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Daystar Clarion said:
Quiet Stranger said:
Daystar Clarion said:
Quiet Stranger said:
Aura Guardian said:
Loved the special message. I've hated a lot of Tim Burton's movies expect for one. Sweeny Todd. And I've have yet to watch a Nightmare before Christmas and refuse too. Judging by your review, this is crap. Thank you moviebob

I think you mean "Judging by your review, you are crap. Thank you bob"

But in all seriousness, if I WAS to listen to a critic I'll listen to Ebert, a PROFESSIONAL who has spent his whole career (or at least a damn many years) reviewing movies, also don't listen to critics, go see the movie (theater or pirated) and judge for yourself, don't let other people decide for you, that's just fucking stupid
I laughed hard. You do know what a reviewer is right? Someone who gives an unbiased opinion on something after taking into consideration every aspect of something. A professional opinion giver is an oxymoron.
Well at least Ebert has some credentials (as in he's spent years doing it) but it seems bob hates a lot of movies and besides Tim Burton's Alice is the best live adaptation yet
Again, it's all based on opinion, no amount of 'professionalism' will change that. The reviewer you like is no more qualified than Movie Bob, since taste is not an objective thing.
I'm siding with my good pal Clarion here. I just want to say that if your opinion is to see the film then form your opinion, you're an idiot. If I want to know if a film is worth seeing, I watch a review. I don't go and watch the film, realise it's good then go and watch it, do I?

P.S Yes, I notice that this is quoting the wrong person, I'm just lazy.
 

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Oh good. Glad to see Bob's pulled his head of his ass and got back to making excellent points.

I'd like to quote everything you said about Burton, and this movie in particular, for great justice.

Sexually active thirteen-year-olds need a new hero, 'cause Burton sucks hard.

Burn down Hot Topic.

Peace.
 

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Ugh, I was looking forward to this to. Seriously, why couldn't make a faithful adaptation to story and call it day?
Still go see it. I am not a manager at hot topic, and I absolutely loved this movie! The review strikes me as a "not funny, yahtzee style review".
 

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While I definitely agree, as much as I love both of them, that Johnny Depp and Helena Bonham-Carter need to GTFO Tim Burton's main character list for a good long while, and while the third act of this movie was definitely a let down, I honestly enjoyed the movie.

I think the main reason the story DID work for me was that, unlike moviebob, I didn't see it as a good vs evil throwdown in the end. The emphasis seemed to be about the flimsiness of declarations of destinies in general. While Wonderland knows the decision she'll make in the end (after all, it IS her world) the real world gets a nice shock when she applies what she learned about destiny/making choices during the course of the movie to her current situation. I thought the parallels to her situation in the waking world (reflected even in a few of the characters...for instance, her soon-to-be mother-in-law = Red Queen) were amusing, and while nothing in the movie really surprised me or seemed a revolution in anyway, it was satisfying as an entertainment vehicle for me.

If I wanted darker and grittier, I'd go play American McGee's Alice. If I wanted acid-trippy randomness, Disney's original still works great. Having a middle-ground isn't such a terrible thing.
 

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I followed everything until you said Charlie and the Chocolate Factory was bad!

I thought that was an awesome movie, at least compared to the old one.
Not that I'm saying the old one was bad, i loved that too, but the remake added more a ton more personality and exploration.
 

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Sexually active thirteen-year-olds need a new hero, 'cause Burton sucks hard.
They have one, he's called Edward and he's a paedophile "vampire".
 

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Dark Templar said:
Quiet Stranger said:
Daystar Clarion said:
Quiet Stranger said:
Aura Guardian said:
Loved the special message. I've hated a lot of Tim Burton's movies expect for one. Sweeny Todd. And I've have yet to watch a Nightmare before Christmas and refuse too. Judging by your review, this is crap. Thank you moviebob

I think you mean "Judging by your review, you are crap. Thank you bob"

But in all seriousness, if I WAS to listen to a critic I'll listen to Ebert, a PROFESSIONAL who has spent his whole career (or at least a damn many years) reviewing movies, also don't listen to critics, go see the movie (theater or pirated) and judge for yourself, don't let other people decide for you, that's just fucking stupid
I laughed hard. You do know what a reviewer is right? Someone who gives an unbiased opinion on something after taking into consideration every aspect of something. A professional opinion giver is an oxymoron.
Well at least Ebert has some credentials (as in he's spent years doing it) but it seems bob hates a lot of movies and besides Tim Burton's Alice is the best live adaptation yet
I DISAGREE WITH MOVIEBOB!!! FLAME FLAME FLAME!!!

Seriously, Moviebob's reviews are alwase thoughtful, intelligent, and completely to the point. He provides valid reasons why most people might not like this movie ad he does so in an intelligent manner like a professional. If you don't like him you don't have to watch or post here at all.

Oh and if you honestly thought Tim Burton's horrible movie was the best adaptation yet then you haven't seen American McGee's Alice. Or heck, even the disney movie was better than this.
*Facepalm*

First of all, there's no such thing as an unbiased opinion. We see everything through the lens of our tastes, our experiences, and our personal values. No human being can ever have an objective opinion because opinions are the essence of subjectivity.

Second of all, when judging art, the last thing you want to do is be objective. Judging it with objectivity implies that there is an ideal work that you're comparing it to, and there is no ideal work of art, because art is meant to appeal to the personal tastes of people.

Third of all, Roger Motherfucking Ebert? Really? The only bigger hack than him in the film industry is Michael Bay. He's the type of critic who does try to be objective, and all he succeeds in doing is missing the point of many good movies entirely and coming off a bloated, self-important ass. And just because he's old, has been in the movie business for years, and has written books about movies doesn't mean he's got "credentials." By that same logic Ed Wood was a filmmaking expert when he made "Plan 9", and Uwe Boll was an expert when he made "Alone In The Dark."

Also, in his review for Pulp Fiction, he spoiled one of the greatest scenes in the movie by showing it while speaking loudly over the already lowered audio, pointing out specific filmmaking decisions that Tarentino made. He ruined the gimp scene so he could show off how movie-savvy he is. The man is NOT an expert. He's a pompous ass.
 

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Oh, you gotta be kidding me! This is the only video on the whole Escapist that doesn't work for me.

303: Failed to load a resource: Unable to load resources: Error #2036
Can anyone please help?
 

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There was a book about this that I read, I can't remember the title for the life of me. I haven't seen this movie, but the book is really similar to what you're talking about Bob.
 

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So his main argument is that while it looks very nice, it's let down by a clichéd plot? This coming from the guy who's rooting for Avatar to win Best Picture...

In all seriousness, I'm still going to see it anyway. The trouble with Wonderland is that the original book doesn't have much of a narrative structure. Girl enters strange world, girl meets strange characters, girl leaves strange world without any significant personality changes. That's pretty much it. I don't know for sure if this version will offer something different, as Burton has been keen to talk up in interviews, but visually, it should be an excellent re-creation of Wonderland.

Also, I liked Charlie & the Chocolate Factory.
 

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So, I've got free tickets to the movies. Is it worth seeing this on the big screen for free? Or wait to pay a few bucks on DVD? I'm leaning towards the free aspect.
 

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i friggin loved the movie!! i saw the midnight showing in 3d and it was a really visually tasteful movie. i will agree that the storyline was weak but the characters were awesome and really well done in my opinion.

feel free to judge me or disagree with me, but reguardless, getting high and seeing that movie in 3D was the best choice ive ever made.
 

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I wasn't even looking forward to this in the slightest. When I learned it wasn't an adaptation of the original work, but a fucking sequel (seriously, what the fuck?) I lost all faith in the project. Tim Burton has gone steadily downhill with his last few movies.

Not to mention The Nightmare Before Christmas has been forever scarred by the masses of emo kiddies. (Pun not intended)
 

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Vredesbyrd67 said:
Dark Templar said:
Quiet Stranger said:
Daystar Clarion said:
Quiet Stranger said:
Aura Guardian said:
Loved the special message. I've hated a lot of Tim Burton's movies expect for one. Sweeny Todd. And I've have yet to watch a Nightmare before Christmas and refuse too. Judging by your review, this is crap. Thank you moviebob

I think you mean "Judging by your review, you are crap. Thank you bob"

But in all seriousness, if I WAS to listen to a critic I'll listen to Ebert, a PROFESSIONAL who has spent his whole career (or at least a damn many years) reviewing movies, also don't listen to critics, go see the movie (theater or pirated) and judge for yourself, don't let other people decide for you, that's just fucking stupid
I laughed hard. You do know what a reviewer is right? Someone who gives an unbiased opinion on something after taking into consideration every aspect of something. A professional opinion giver is an oxymoron.
Well at least Ebert has some credentials (as in he's spent years doing it) but it seems bob hates a lot of movies and besides Tim Burton's Alice is the best live adaptation yet
I DISAGREE WITH MOVIEBOB!!! FLAME FLAME FLAME!!!

Seriously, Moviebob's reviews are alwase thoughtful, intelligent, and completely to the point. He provides valid reasons why most people might not like this movie ad he does so in an intelligent manner like a professional. If you don't like him you don't have to watch or post here at all.

Oh and if you honestly thought Tim Burton's horrible movie was the best adaptation yet then you haven't seen American McGee's Alice. Or heck, even the disney movie was better than this.
*Facepalm*

First of all, there's no such thing as an unbiased opinion. We see everything through the lens of our tastes, our experiences, and our personal values. No human being can ever have an objective opinion because opinions are the essence of subjectivity.

Second of all, when judging art, the last thing you want to do is be objective. Judging it with objectivity implies that there is an ideal work that you're comparing it to, and there is no ideal work of art, because art is meant to appeal to the personal tastes of people.

Third of all, Roger Motherfucking Ebert? Really? The only bigger hack than him in the film industry is Michael Bay. He's the type of critic who does try to be objective, and all he succeeds in doing is missing the point of many good movies entirely and coming off a bloated, self-important ass. And just because he's old, has been in the movie business for years, and has written books about movies doesn't mean he's got "credentials." By that same logic Ed Wood was a filmmaking expert when he made "Plan 9", and Uwe Boll was an expert when he made "Alone In The Dark."

Also, in his review for Pulp Fiction, he spoiled one of the greatest scenes in the movie by showing it while speaking loudly over the already lowered audio, pointing out specific filmmaking decisions that Tarentino made. He ruined the gimp scene so he could show off how movie-savvy he is. The man is NOT an expert. He's a pompous ass.
Did you mean to quote me or the guy I am quoting? Cause I never used the words "unbiased" or "objective" and said nothing about Edert.
 

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One two, one two
And through and through
The MovieBob went snarky-snick.
No frabjous day,
He cried dismay
For anyone who sees this flick.

OK, I'm done. :)
 

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I loved the books. I loved the surreal world, coming of age, and cherishing childhood deal.

Are you saying they turned it into some vapid LotR wanna-be? Okay, I'm pissed now.
 

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Alice is a warrior in this film? What the fuck? I...I don't get it. I just don't see the connection.
 

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If only Burton were the first to adapt Alice into an action hero. Or do a horrible dark sequel. No, the world of comics beat him to it far in advance. And I'd challenge him to do a movie without either of his significant others. They're both great actors, he's a good director, let's get these kids split up.
 

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I'm surprised no one mentioned Jan Svankmajer's stop motion version. Very dreamlike, very mad, and just plain awesome.
 

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Yeah yeah, this probably won't be the best movie of the year. But fuck it, just look at all the shinies!
 

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Dark Templar said:
Vredesbyrd67 said:
Dark Templar said:
Quiet Stranger said:
Daystar Clarion said:
Quiet Stranger said:
Aura Guardian said:
Loved the special message. I've hated a lot of Tim Burton's movies expect for one. Sweeny Todd. And I've have yet to watch a Nightmare before Christmas and refuse too. Judging by your review, this is crap. Thank you moviebob

I think you mean "Judging by your review, you are crap. Thank you bob"

But in all seriousness, if I WAS to listen to a critic I'll listen to Ebert, a PROFESSIONAL who has spent his whole career (or at least a damn many years) reviewing movies, also don't listen to critics, go see the movie (theater or pirated) and judge for yourself, don't let other people decide for you, that's just fucking stupid
I laughed hard. You do know what a reviewer is right? Someone who gives an unbiased opinion on something after taking into consideration every aspect of something. A professional opinion giver is an oxymoron.
Well at least Ebert has some credentials (as in he's spent years doing it) but it seems bob hates a lot of movies and besides Tim Burton's Alice is the best live adaptation yet
I DISAGREE WITH MOVIEBOB!!! FLAME FLAME FLAME!!!

Seriously, Moviebob's reviews are alwase thoughtful, intelligent, and completely to the point. He provides valid reasons why most people might not like this movie ad he does so in an intelligent manner like a professional. If you don't like him you don't have to watch or post here at all.

Oh and if you honestly thought Tim Burton's horrible movie was the best adaptation yet then you haven't seen American McGee's Alice. Or heck, even the disney movie was better than this.
*Facepalm*

First of all, there's no such thing as an unbiased opinion. We see everything through the lens of our tastes, our experiences, and our personal values. No human being can ever have an objective opinion because opinions are the essence of subjectivity.

Second of all, when judging art, the last thing you want to do is be objective. Judging it with objectivity implies that there is an ideal work that you're comparing it to, and there is no ideal work of art, because art is meant to appeal to the personal tastes of people.

Third of all, Roger Motherfucking Ebert? Really? The only bigger hack than him in the film industry is Michael Bay. He's the type of critic who does try to be objective, and all he succeeds in doing is missing the point of many good movies entirely and coming off a bloated, self-important ass. And just because he's old, has been in the movie business for years, and has written books about movies doesn't mean he's got "credentials." By that same logic Ed Wood was a filmmaking expert when he made "Plan 9", and Uwe Boll was an expert when he made "Alone In The Dark."

Also, in his review for Pulp Fiction, he spoiled one of the greatest scenes in the movie by showing it while speaking loudly over the already lowered audio, pointing out specific filmmaking decisions that Tarentino made. He ruined the gimp scene so he could show off how movie-savvy he is. The man is NOT an expert. He's a pompous ass.
Did you mean to quote me or the guy I am quoting? Cause I never used the words "unbiased" or "objective" and said nothing about Edert.
Yeah, no. Sorry. I was too lazy to cut your quote out of the whole thing.
 

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Heatseeker said:
Quiet Stranger said:
Daystar Clarion said:
Quiet Stranger said:
Aura Guardian said:
Loved the special message. I've hated a lot of Tim Burton's movies expect for one. Sweeny Todd. And I've have yet to watch a Nightmare before Christmas and refuse too. Judging by your review, this is crap. Thank you moviebob

I think you mean "Judging by your review, you are crap. Thank you bob"

But in all seriousness, if I WAS to listen to a critic I'll listen to Ebert, a PROFESSIONAL who has spent his whole career (or at least a damn many years) reviewing movies, also don't listen to critics, go see the movie (theater or pirated) and judge for yourself, don't let other people decide for you, that's just fucking stupid
I laughed hard. You do know what a reviewer is right? Someone who gives an unbiased opinion on something after taking into consideration every aspect of something. A professional opinion giver is an oxymoron.
Well at least Ebert has some credentials (as in he's spent years doing it) but it seems bob hates a lot of movies and besides Tim Burton's Alice is the best live adaptation yet
I hope you realise that Ebert said much of the same things in his review
http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100303/REVIEWS/100309990/1001
He may have more experience but it seems the two agree in this case, on most points at least
At least he gave it three out of four stars! If bob had a star system he probably would have given it 1 star or no stars
 

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I gave up on this movie when I found that the only actor whose name was on any of the posters was Johny Depp. Because it was a pretty clear sign that the movie wasn't aimed at Lewis Carrol fans, it was aimed at Depp/Burton fans. Which sends it from "surrealist literature adaptation" to "hollywood teenage girl cash-in".
Completely agreed and it was the same way for me.

The movie was marketed more as "OMG! It's another TIM BURTON movie starring JOHNNY DEPP!!!" rather than "It's a cinematic adaptation of Alice in Wonderland".
 

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Daystar Clarion said:
Quiet Stranger said:
Daystar Clarion said:
Quiet Stranger said:
Aura Guardian said:
Loved the special message. I've hated a lot of Tim Burton's movies expect for one. Sweeny Todd. And I've have yet to watch a Nightmare before Christmas and refuse too. Judging by your review, this is crap. Thank you moviebob

I think you mean "Judging by your review, you are crap. Thank you bob"

But in all seriousness, if I WAS to listen to a critic I'll listen to Ebert, a PROFESSIONAL who has spent his whole career (or at least a damn many years) reviewing movies, also don't listen to critics, go see the movie (theater or pirated) and judge for yourself, don't let other people decide for you, that's just fucking stupid
I laughed hard. You do know what a reviewer is right? Someone who gives an unbiased opinion on something after taking into consideration every aspect of something. A professional opinion giver is an oxymoron.
Well at least Ebert has some credentials (as in he's spent years doing it) but it seems bob hates a lot of movies and besides Tim Burton's Alice is the best live adaptation yet
Again, it's all based on opinion, no amount of 'professionalism' will change that. The reviewer you like is no more qualified than Movie Bob, since taste is not an objective thing.
Everything is based on opinion, but Bob probably never gave it a chance, you know how some people watched the cartoon Alice when they were kids and then when they saw the trailer for this they were like "oooohhh, its bashing my child hood memories! its so ugly I dont like it!"
 

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I've only watched the first 30 seconds of the review so far, but I just had to stop and say: Wow, MovieBob doesn't take criticism very well, does he? Here's a little tip for you Mr. Bob, it's the number one rule about criticism on the internet: Don't respond to it. It's a beginner's mistake really, in fact most people have learned the lesson by the time they progress past posting amateur videos on Youtube. If you found the criticism as having a genuine point, then change what you did wrong. If not, ignore it. Anything else just appears a bit immature, don't you think?
 

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mchoueiri said:
I kind of saw this coming I was not really excited to see this film. I mean it looked pretty but looking pretty does not make a good film. So im skipping this one . Oh and on a side note I liked Charlie and the chocolate factory but to each his own.
Nobody seemed to complain with Avatar. Although, Idk, haven't seen this movie, but for me, Avatar easily takes the crown as the most shallow movie of the decade.
 

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ThisNewGuy said:
mchoueiri said:
I kind of saw this coming I was not really excited to see this film. I mean it looked pretty but looking pretty does not make a good film. So im skipping this one . Oh and on a side note I liked Charlie and the chocolate factory but to each his own.
Nobody seemed to complain with Avatar. Although, Idk, haven't seen this movie, but for me, Avatar easily takes the crown as the most shallow movie of the decade.
I mean avatar too dude. I am 100 percent with you on this.
 
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Quiet Stranger said:
Daystar Clarion said:
Quiet Stranger said:
Daystar Clarion said:
Quiet Stranger said:
Aura Guardian said:
Loved the special message. I've hated a lot of Tim Burton's movies expect for one. Sweeny Todd. And I've have yet to watch a Nightmare before Christmas and refuse too. Judging by your review, this is crap. Thank you moviebob

I think you mean "Judging by your review, you are crap. Thank you bob"

But in all seriousness, if I WAS to listen to a critic I'll listen to Ebert, a PROFESSIONAL who has spent his whole career (or at least a damn many years) reviewing movies, also don't listen to critics, go see the movie (theater or pirated) and judge for yourself, don't let other people decide for you, that's just fucking stupid
I laughed hard. You do know what a reviewer is right? Someone who gives an unbiased opinion on something after taking into consideration every aspect of something. A professional opinion giver is an oxymoron.
Well at least Ebert has some credentials (as in he's spent years doing it) but it seems bob hates a lot of movies and besides Tim Burton's Alice is the best live adaptation yet
Again, it's all based on opinion, no amount of 'professionalism' will change that. The reviewer you like is no more qualified than Movie Bob, since taste is not an objective thing.
Everything is based on opinion, but Bob probably never gave it a chance, you know how some people watched the cartoon Alice when they were kids and then when they saw the trailer for this they were like "oooohhh, its bashing my child hood memories! its so ugly I dont like it!"
To be honest, as soon as I saw that Jonny Depp was in it I thought, "Oh for the love of god, not this again". I don't know why him and Burton don't just get married already. The whole gothic thing was great... 10 years ago. Now it's starting to wear incredibly thin.
 

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Yet again arrgh fuck those battlefield ad's i'm not watching any more vids on here till they fuck off!
 
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I really liked the movie, but the review was still 100% accurate. Granted it wasn't my favorite Alice in Wonderland adaptation (that honor still goes to American McGee's Alice -- that guy has either the best or the worst name ever; not sure which). But I wholeheartedly agree that Charlie and the Chocolate Factory was Burton's worst film.
God yes, I was hoping for something very American McGee
 

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Who here is honestly surprised that this movie blows shit?
Really.
 

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Seems like Burton MISSED THE FUCKING POINT! This looked god awful and I'm glad someone called Burton(not that others didn't) on it.
 

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Well, I was looking forward to this one but it sounds like if I wait a week or two (and naturally matinee it), or even forget entirely and end up Netflixing it later I won't be too bad off.

Shame, because it looked like it could be so good.
I never really enjoyed Tim Burtons style. he always makes it LOOK great but its like he painted sand to make it look like chocolate...only its a litter box full of poo
 

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Huh, as I actually like his take on Willy Wonka's Chocolate Factory, I might like this movie too, I guess.
My logic. I'm going to see it tomorrow.
 
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I'll probably still go to see it, if only because it has Stephen Fry and his midas touch as the Cheshire Cat, and CHRISTOPHER LEE AS THE JABBERWOCK! MY DREAMS HAVE COME TRUE!
 

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I think the best film adaptation of "Alice in Wonderland" is Jan ?vankmajer's 1988 film "Alice" ("Nìco z Alenky"). It's got great little bizarre touches like the White Rabbit constantly leaking his stuffing and having to eat sawdust to fill himself back up.
 

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Im glad that we can agree that Alice in wonderland was total crap.
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With all due respect Bob, I want to watch a movie review. If I wanted to watch a political shitstorm I'd watch CNN.
 

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American McGee's Alice did something right that not many other spin-offs have been able to do. It was good. It was different, it was gothic, it was good. It took what every kid who goes to Hot Topic thinks they represent and made it awesome. Hell, I'll bet most of those Hot Topic kids would never even touch the game because of how grotesque it can be.
I want to add in my two cents on this - American Mcgee's rendition was pure excellence.

Alice was everything that Alice in Wonderland should be: Surreal, grotesque, and ultraviolent.
Even the setting was dark, strange, and disturbing - Wonderland at it's finest.
[sub]Bring on the sequel! Whoo![/sub]
 

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Yeah burton has never really made a quote 'good' movie imo. They're all kinda just excuses to see cool and weird stuff. Which eh is enough for me, I've seen all his other movies, might as well go see this one too.
 

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Daystar Clarion said:
Quiet Stranger said:
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Quiet Stranger said:
Aura Guardian said:
Loved the special message. I've hated a lot of Tim Burton's movies expect for one. Sweeny Todd. And I've have yet to watch a Nightmare before Christmas and refuse too. Judging by your review, this is crap. Thank you moviebob

I think you mean "Judging by your review, you are crap. Thank you bob"

But in all seriousness, if I WAS to listen to a critic I'll listen to Ebert, a PROFESSIONAL who has spent his whole career (or at least a damn many years) reviewing movies, also don't listen to critics, go see the movie (theater or pirated) and judge for yourself, don't let other people decide for you, that's just fucking stupid
I laughed hard. You do know what a reviewer is right? Someone who gives an unbiased opinion on something after taking into consideration every aspect of something. A professional opinion giver is an oxymoron.
Well at least Ebert has some credentials (as in he's spent years doing it) but it seems bob hates a lot of movies and besides Tim Burton's Alice is the best live adaptation yet
Again, it's all based on opinion, no amount of 'professionalism' will change that. The reviewer you like is no more qualified than Movie Bob, since taste is not an objective thing.
Everything is based on opinion, but Bob probably never gave it a chance, you know how some people watched the cartoon Alice when they were kids and then when they saw the trailer for this they were like "oooohhh, its bashing my child hood memories! its so ugly I dont like it!"
To be honest, as soon as I saw that Jonny Depp was in it I thought, "Oh for the love of god, not this again". I don't know why him and Burton don't just get married already. The whole gothic thing was great... 10 years ago. Now it's starting to wear incredibly thin.
Well you could say the same for Martin Scorsese and Leo
 
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Daystar Clarion said:
Quiet Stranger said:
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Quiet Stranger said:
Daystar Clarion said:
Quiet Stranger said:
Aura Guardian said:
Loved the special message. I've hated a lot of Tim Burton's movies expect for one. Sweeny Todd. And I've have yet to watch a Nightmare before Christmas and refuse too. Judging by your review, this is crap. Thank you moviebob

I think you mean "Judging by your review, you are crap. Thank you bob"

But in all seriousness, if I WAS to listen to a critic I'll listen to Ebert, a PROFESSIONAL who has spent his whole career (or at least a damn many years) reviewing movies, also don't listen to critics, go see the movie (theater or pirated) and judge for yourself, don't let other people decide for you, that's just fucking stupid
I laughed hard. You do know what a reviewer is right? Someone who gives an unbiased opinion on something after taking into consideration every aspect of something. A professional opinion giver is an oxymoron.
Well at least Ebert has some credentials (as in he's spent years doing it) but it seems bob hates a lot of movies and besides Tim Burton's Alice is the best live adaptation yet
Again, it's all based on opinion, no amount of 'professionalism' will change that. The reviewer you like is no more qualified than Movie Bob, since taste is not an objective thing.
Everything is based on opinion, but Bob probably never gave it a chance, you know how some people watched the cartoon Alice when they were kids and then when they saw the trailer for this they were like "oooohhh, its bashing my child hood memories! its so ugly I dont like it!"
To be honest, as soon as I saw that Jonny Depp was in it I thought, "Oh for the love of god, not this again". I don't know why him and Burton don't just get married already. The whole gothic thing was great... 10 years ago. Now it's starting to wear incredibly thin.
Well you could say the same for Martin Scorsese and Leo
The difference there is that it isn't used as a crutch for his movies. While Burton and Depp on the other hand, attract every screaming fan-girl under the sun. People won't see the film because it's Alice, they'll see it for Depp.
 

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Quiet Stranger said:
Daystar Clarion said:
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Quiet Stranger said:
Daystar Clarion said:
Quiet Stranger said:
Aura Guardian said:
Loved the special message. I've hated a lot of Tim Burton's movies expect for one. Sweeny Todd. And I've have yet to watch a Nightmare before Christmas and refuse too. Judging by your review, this is crap. Thank you moviebob

I think you mean "Judging by your review, you are crap. Thank you bob"

But in all seriousness, if I WAS to listen to a critic I'll listen to Ebert, a PROFESSIONAL who has spent his whole career (or at least a damn many years) reviewing movies, also don't listen to critics, go see the movie (theater or pirated) and judge for yourself, don't let other people decide for you, that's just fucking stupid
I laughed hard. You do know what a reviewer is right? Someone who gives an unbiased opinion on something after taking into consideration every aspect of something. A professional opinion giver is an oxymoron.
Well at least Ebert has some credentials (as in he's spent years doing it) but it seems bob hates a lot of movies and besides Tim Burton's Alice is the best live adaptation yet
Again, it's all based on opinion, no amount of 'professionalism' will change that. The reviewer you like is no more qualified than Movie Bob, since taste is not an objective thing.
Everything is based on opinion, but Bob probably never gave it a chance, you know how some people watched the cartoon Alice when they were kids and then when they saw the trailer for this they were like "oooohhh, its bashing my child hood memories! its so ugly I dont like it!"
To be honest, as soon as I saw that Jonny Depp was in it I thought, "Oh for the love of god, not this again". I don't know why him and Burton don't just get married already. The whole gothic thing was great... 10 years ago. Now it's starting to wear incredibly thin.
Well you could say the same for Martin Scorsese and Leo
The difference there is that it isn't used as a crutch for his movies. While Burton and Depp on the other hand, attract every screaming fan-girl under the sun. People won't see the film because it's Alice, they'll see it for Depp.
Well I simply used Martin and Leo as a example for Directors who always have their favourite actor in some if not all their movies, annnnd why are you saying fan girl? (im just wondering what girls have to do with it)
 

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It's times like this that I recall a quote from Statler and Waldorf.

Waldorf: What's that sound?
Statler: I think that's Lewis Caroll (spelled right?) spinning in his grave.
 
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Quiet Stranger said:
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Quiet Stranger said:
Aura Guardian said:
Loved the special message. I've hated a lot of Tim Burton's movies expect for one. Sweeny Todd. And I've have yet to watch a Nightmare before Christmas and refuse too. Judging by your review, this is crap. Thank you moviebob

I think you mean "Judging by your review, you are crap. Thank you bob"

But in all seriousness, if I WAS to listen to a critic I'll listen to Ebert, a PROFESSIONAL who has spent his whole career (or at least a damn many years) reviewing movies, also don't listen to critics, go see the movie (theater or pirated) and judge for yourself, don't let other people decide for you, that's just fucking stupid
I laughed hard. You do know what a reviewer is right? Someone who gives an unbiased opinion on something after taking into consideration every aspect of something. A professional opinion giver is an oxymoron.
Well at least Ebert has some credentials (as in he's spent years doing it) but it seems bob hates a lot of movies and besides Tim Burton's Alice is the best live adaptation yet
Again, it's all based on opinion, no amount of 'professionalism' will change that. The reviewer you like is no more qualified than Movie Bob, since taste is not an objective thing.
Everything is based on opinion, but Bob probably never gave it a chance, you know how some people watched the cartoon Alice when they were kids and then when they saw the trailer for this they were like "oooohhh, its bashing my child hood memories! its so ugly I dont like it!"
To be honest, as soon as I saw that Jonny Depp was in it I thought, "Oh for the love of god, not this again". I don't know why him and Burton don't just get married already. The whole gothic thing was great... 10 years ago. Now it's starting to wear incredibly thin.
Well you could say the same for Martin Scorsese and Leo
The difference there is that it isn't used as a crutch for his movies. While Burton and Depp on the other hand, attract every screaming fan-girl under the sun. People won't see the film because it's Alice, they'll see it for Depp.
Well I simply used Martin and Leo as a example for Directors who always have their favourite actor in some if not all their movies, annnnd why are you saying fan girl? (im just wondering what girls have to do with it)
They fall into the same fandom as Twilight, the vast majority of Depp/Burton fans are screaming fan girls who, regarldess of Depp's peformance, will think it was the best piece of acting they've ever seen. Don't get me wrong, I give credit where credit is due, Nightmare Before Christmas was amazing (Lacking Jonny Depp oddly enough), but the kind of fans he draws are intolerable, for frankly, pretty average movies.
 

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I'm afraid I cannot agree with MovieBob on this one.

For me at least, there's an appeal in not just story from a movie, but the world it is grounded in. If the characters in a tale feel believable and likeable, who are living in a world that is different and unusual, then that can make a movie feel well and truly golden.

Tim Burton has some habits that are tiresome, for example his constant use of Johnny Depp and his obsession with his gothic niche, aswell as a clumsiness with stirring up a great story. In my eyes though, he's an intelligent man. I believe this because he does enough things right to pardon his hiccups. Let's take Alice and her amazing Wonderland for an example. Alice created Wonderland when she was a little girl; it's full of disgusting trifles like spitting and urine of an unpronouncable animal, along with impossible wonders like evapourating cats and talking animals. It expresses a kid fantasy in which they are the hero to save the day. Considering that Alice is older now though, she has had experiences in her life and has met people who stick out in her mind. For instance, there are two identical sisters constantly arguing with eachother over trivial things, and when you step into Wonderland, you'll instantly be able to se resemblances between two certain lookalikes. Coupled with this are noble-like figures with snobbish tendancies, a collection of suck-ups and yesmen who only serve to spare their heads being lopped off (obviously being the incarnation of the upper-class Alce has been around her teen years) aswell as british accents and traditions (hell, the Queen of Hearts is the Blackadder Elizabeth incarnate), and conversations and habits of the characters involved are of a distinct and unique yet human quality that they are an absolute delight to behold.

In short, if you're not entirely sure on this movie, all I can say is that you'll never truly know until you check it out. Don't let anybody (including me, mind) cloud your judgement on whether a movie/game/whatever is good or not because we are all different and of different tastes. We are human and we are unique. Let it show.
 

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I saw the movie and I liked it.

yeah there were some weird bits here and there like when Johnny Depp started to break dance at the end, but hey he's suppose to be nutter than a nutri-bar. Dormouse, March hare, and the ever so loveable dodo bird are voiced by soem great actors and what they do is relevent..

I liked it

Jabberwock is an awsome monster

I might go see it again.
 

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Loved the special message. I've hated a lot of Tim Burton's movies expect for one. Sweeny Todd. And I've have yet to watch a Nightmare before Christmas and refuse too. Judging by your review, this is crap. Thank you moviebob

I think you mean "Judging by your review, you are crap. Thank you bob"

But in all seriousness, if I WAS to listen to a critic I'll listen to Ebert, a PROFESSIONAL who has spent his whole career (or at least a damn many years) reviewing movies, also don't listen to critics, go see the movie (theater or pirated) and judge for yourself, don't let other people decide for you, that's just fucking stupid
I laughed hard. You do know what a reviewer is right? Someone who gives an unbiased opinion on something after taking into consideration every aspect of something. A professional opinion giver is an oxymoron.
Well at least Ebert has some credentials (as in he's spent years doing it) but it seems bob hates a lot of movies and besides Tim Burton's Alice is the best live adaptation yet
Again, it's all based on opinion, no amount of 'professionalism' will change that. The reviewer you like is no more qualified than Movie Bob, since taste is not an objective thing.
Everything is based on opinion, but Bob probably never gave it a chance, you know how some people watched the cartoon Alice when they were kids and then when they saw the trailer for this they were like "oooohhh, its bashing my child hood memories! its so ugly I dont like it!"
To be honest, as soon as I saw that Jonny Depp was in it I thought, "Oh for the love of god, not this again". I don't know why him and Burton don't just get married already. The whole gothic thing was great... 10 years ago. Now it's starting to wear incredibly thin.
Well you could say the same for Martin Scorsese and Leo
The difference there is that it isn't used as a crutch for his movies. While Burton and Depp on the other hand, attract every screaming fan-girl under the sun. People won't see the film because it's Alice, they'll see it for Depp.
Well I simply used Martin and Leo as a example for Directors who always have their favourite actor in some if not all their movies, annnnd why are you saying fan girl? (im just wondering what girls have to do with it)
They fall into the same fandom as Twilight, the vast majority of Depp/Burton fans are screaming fan girls who, regarldess of Depp's peformance, will think it was the best piece of acting they've ever seen. Don't get me wrong, I give credit where credit is due, Nightmare Before Christmas was amazing (Lacking Jonny Depp oddly enough), but the kind of fans he draws are intolerable, for frankly, pretty average movies.
Okay thank you very much kind sir, it explains a lot, and makes me less angry at bob, but to add im the kind of guy who found Plan 9 from Outer Space interesting and also is the kind of person who gets angry when they say something I like sucks and really bashes it like bob did, also off topic....what happened to plans 1 through 8???
 

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In short, if you're not entirely sure on this movie, all I can say is that you'll never truly know until you check it out. Don't let anybody (including me, mind) cloud your judgement on whether a movie/game/whatever is good or not because we are all different and of different tastes. We are human and we are unique. Let it show.
Couldn't have said it better. Just because someone has different tastes, dosen't mean your going to hate what they hate. Oh, and awesome display picture, is it Toy Story 2?

OT: No matter what anyone may say, I'm going to watch it, because Steven Fry is the cat. No better person for it.
 
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Aura Guardian said:
Loved the special message. I've hated a lot of Tim Burton's movies expect for one. Sweeny Todd. And I've have yet to watch a Nightmare before Christmas and refuse too. Judging by your review, this is crap. Thank you moviebob

I think you mean "Judging by your review, you are crap. Thank you bob"

But in all seriousness, if I WAS to listen to a critic I'll listen to Ebert, a PROFESSIONAL who has spent his whole career (or at least a damn many years) reviewing movies, also don't listen to critics, go see the movie (theater or pirated) and judge for yourself, don't let other people decide for you, that's just fucking stupid
I laughed hard. You do know what a reviewer is right? Someone who gives an unbiased opinion on something after taking into consideration every aspect of something. A professional opinion giver is an oxymoron.
Well at least Ebert has some credentials (as in he's spent years doing it) but it seems bob hates a lot of movies and besides Tim Burton's Alice is the best live adaptation yet
Again, it's all based on opinion, no amount of 'professionalism' will change that. The reviewer you like is no more qualified than Movie Bob, since taste is not an objective thing.
Everything is based on opinion, but Bob probably never gave it a chance, you know how some people watched the cartoon Alice when they were kids and then when they saw the trailer for this they were like "oooohhh, its bashing my child hood memories! its so ugly I dont like it!"
To be honest, as soon as I saw that Jonny Depp was in it I thought, "Oh for the love of god, not this again". I don't know why him and Burton don't just get married already. The whole gothic thing was great... 10 years ago. Now it's starting to wear incredibly thin.
Well you could say the same for Martin Scorsese and Leo
The difference there is that it isn't used as a crutch for his movies. While Burton and Depp on the other hand, attract every screaming fan-girl under the sun. People won't see the film because it's Alice, they'll see it for Depp.
Well I simply used Martin and Leo as a example for Directors who always have their favourite actor in some if not all their movies, annnnd why are you saying fan girl? (im just wondering what girls have to do with it)
They fall into the same fandom as Twilight, the vast majority of Depp/Burton fans are screaming fan girls who, regarldess of Depp's peformance, will think it was the best piece of acting they've ever seen. Don't get me wrong, I give credit where credit is due, Nightmare Before Christmas was amazing (Lacking Jonny Depp oddly enough), but the kind of fans he draws are intolerable, for frankly, pretty average movies.
Okay thank you very much kind sir, it explains a lot, and makes me less angry at bob, but to add im the kind of guy who found Plan 9 from Outer Space interesting and also is the kind of person who gets angry when they say something I like sucks and really bashes it like bob did, also off topic....what happened to plans 1 through 8???
To be fair to Movie Bob, he has reasons for not liking it, the same as you having reasons to like. It's just a conflict of opinion at the end of the day. If you enjoyed the film then good for you, but it's for the reasons that Movie Bob mentioned that I wouldn't enjoy it.
At least this was an intelligent discussion, and I thank you for that.

Much better than the typical. "OMG!!!111ONEONE YOU KNOW LIKE JNNY DEEEPP??! YOU ID GAY!!!1111ONEONEONE"
 

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Quiet Stranger said:
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Aura Guardian said:
Loved the special message. I've hated a lot of Tim Burton's movies expect for one. Sweeny Todd. And I've have yet to watch a Nightmare before Christmas and refuse too. Judging by your review, this is crap. Thank you moviebob

I think you mean "Judging by your review, you are crap. Thank you bob"

But in all seriousness, if I WAS to listen to a critic I'll listen to Ebert, a PROFESSIONAL who has spent his whole career (or at least a damn many years) reviewing movies, also don't listen to critics, go see the movie (theater or pirated) and judge for yourself, don't let other people decide for you, that's just fucking stupid
I laughed hard. You do know what a reviewer is right? Someone who gives an unbiased opinion on something after taking into consideration every aspect of something. A professional opinion giver is an oxymoron.
Well at least Ebert has some credentials (as in he's spent years doing it) but it seems bob hates a lot of movies and besides Tim Burton's Alice is the best live adaptation yet
Again, it's all based on opinion, no amount of 'professionalism' will change that. The reviewer you like is no more qualified than Movie Bob, since taste is not an objective thing.
Everything is based on opinion, but Bob probably never gave it a chance, you know how some people watched the cartoon Alice when they were kids and then when they saw the trailer for this they were like "oooohhh, its bashing my child hood memories! its so ugly I dont like it!"
To be honest, as soon as I saw that Jonny Depp was in it I thought, "Oh for the love of god, not this again". I don't know why him and Burton don't just get married already. The whole gothic thing was great... 10 years ago. Now it's starting to wear incredibly thin.
Well you could say the same for Martin Scorsese and Leo
The difference there is that it isn't used as a crutch for his movies. While Burton and Depp on the other hand, attract every screaming fan-girl under the sun. People won't see the film because it's Alice, they'll see it for Depp.
Well I simply used Martin and Leo as a example for Directors who always have their favourite actor in some if not all their movies, annnnd why are you saying fan girl? (im just wondering what girls have to do with it)
They fall into the same fandom as Twilight, the vast majority of Depp/Burton fans are screaming fan girls who, regarldess of Depp's peformance, will think it was the best piece of acting they've ever seen. Don't get me wrong, I give credit where credit is due, Nightmare Before Christmas was amazing (Lacking Jonny Depp oddly enough), but the kind of fans he draws are intolerable, for frankly, pretty average movies.
Okay thank you very much kind sir, it explains a lot, and makes me less angry at bob, but to add im the kind of guy who found Plan 9 from Outer Space interesting and also is the kind of person who gets angry when they say something I like sucks and really bashes it like bob did, also off topic....what happened to plans 1 through 8???
To be fair to Movie Bob, he has reasons for not liking it, the same as you having reasons to like. It's just a conflict of opinion at the end of the day. If you enjoyed the film then good for you, but it's for the reasons that Movie Bob mentioned that I wouldn't enjoy it.
At least this was an intelligent discussion, and I thank you for that.

Much better than the typical. "OMG!!!111ONEONE YOU KNOW LIKE JNNY DEEEPP??! YOU ID GAY!!!1111ONEONEONE"

But I'm also angry at the fact that after I watch a video review of Bob's or yahtzee's and then I see people be like "OMG! I'm SO glad I watched your review now I'll NEVER get it"

you know, the people who listen to other people without deciding for themselves, I suppose that's what started my rage but yeah thank you for not....okay well you didn't do anything wrong I suppose so I dont know what i can thank you for oh wait, thanks for explaining more
 

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One of my favourites, besides the old disney cartoon, would be the 1999 NBC television film http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_in_Wonderland_(1999_film). That one at least makes some reference to the fact that Alice through the Looking Glass is a seperate story(i.e - the sequel Tim Burton probably should have tried to make), rather than just lumping characters from either stories into one narrative.
i saw that movie in school. I thought it was kinda meh.

OT: not surprised one bit.
 

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But... but I was looking forward to seeing a good film and... and...
*sobs*
*pulls out gun and sticks it in mouth*
 

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Loved the special message. I've hated a lot of Tim Burton's movies expect for one. Sweeny Todd. And I've have yet to watch a Nightmare before Christmas and refuse too. Judging by your review, this is crap. Thank you moviebob

I think you mean "Judging by your review, you are crap. Thank you bob"

But in all seriousness, if I WAS to listen to a critic I'll listen to Ebert, a PROFESSIONAL who has spent his whole career (or at least a damn many years) reviewing movies, also don't listen to critics, go see the movie (theater or pirated) and judge for yourself, don't let other people decide for you, that's just fucking stupid
I laughed hard. You do know what a reviewer is right? Someone who gives an unbiased opinion on something after taking into consideration every aspect of something. A professional opinion giver is an oxymoron.
Well at least Ebert has some credentials (as in he's spent years doing it) but it seems bob hates a lot of movies and besides Tim Burton's Alice is the best live adaptation yet
I DISAGREE WITH MOVIEBOB!!! FLAME FLAME FLAME!!!

Seriously, Moviebob's reviews are alwase thoughtful, intelligent, and completely to the point. He provides valid reasons why most people might not like this movie ad he does so in an intelligent manner like a professional. If you don't like him you don't have to watch or post here at all.

Oh and if you honestly thought Tim Burton's horrible movie was the best adaptation yet then you haven't seen American McGee's Alice. Or heck, even the disney movie was better than this.
Dark Templar said:
Quiet Stranger said:
Daystar Clarion said:
Quiet Stranger said:
Aura Guardian said:
Loved the special message. I've hated a lot of Tim Burton's movies expect for one. Sweeny Todd. And I've have yet to watch a Nightmare before Christmas and refuse too. Judging by your review, this is crap. Thank you moviebob

I think you mean "Judging by your review, you are crap. Thank you bob"

But in all seriousness, if I WAS to listen to a critic I'll listen to Ebert, a PROFESSIONAL who has spent his whole career (or at least a damn many years) reviewing movies, also don't listen to critics, go see the movie (theater or pirated) and judge for yourself, don't let other people decide for you, that's just fucking stupid
I laughed hard. You do know what a reviewer is right? Someone who gives an unbiased opinion on something after taking into consideration every aspect of something. A professional opinion giver is an oxymoron.
Well at least Ebert has some credentials (as in he's spent years doing it) but it seems bob hates a lot of movies and besides Tim Burton's Alice is the best live adaptation yet
I DISAGREE WITH MOVIEBOB!!! FLAME FLAME FLAME!!!

Seriously, Moviebob's reviews are alwase thoughtful, intelligent, and completely to the point. He provides valid reasons why most people might not like this movie ad he does so in an intelligent manner like a professional. If you don't like him you don't have to watch or post here at all.

Oh and if you honestly thought Tim Burton's horrible movie was the best adaptation yet then you haven't seen American McGee's Alice. Or heck, even the disney movie was better than this.
And to go more on what dark templar was saying. Why are you getting mad that people are listening to a review thats what they are for. Also if you took time to listen to movie bob he lists good thoughtful reasons why I movie is bad or good. But dont get mad at other peoples choices cause here is the thing there choices dont affect you.
 

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Racecar1994 said:
In short, if you're not entirely sure on this movie, all I can say is that you'll never truly know until you check it out. Don't let anybody (including me, mind) cloud your judgement on whether a movie/game/whatever is good or not because we are all different and of different tastes. We are human and we are unique. Let it show.
Couldn't have said it better. Just because someone has different tastes, dosen't mean your going to hate what they hate. Oh, and awesome display picture, is it Toy Story 2?

OT: No matter what anyone may say, I'm going to watch it, because Steven Fry is the cat. No better person for it.
Yep. Originally it was gonna be Buzz, but the pic was being stubborn for a while; then I noticed the creepy guy and remembered his laughably comic chicken suit. I figured that guy needed some luv <3
 

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Huh, as I actually like his take on Willy Wonka's Chocolate Factory, I might like this movie too, I guess.
His version was smarter and more up-to-date than the old one, I like the newer one too. I'm not saying i like it better, but I am saying that I liked that movie for different reasons. I am going to go see the new Alice in Wonderland because I like Burton's take on things. I'll probably like this one too.
 

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The link apears to be broken.

Aparently if I had waited 30 seconds more the video would have finished being uploaded to the site, live and learn I guess.

Disapointed that the Bob thinks the movie sucked, I was kind of thinking of going to see it.
See it anyway. I never listen to Movie Bob myself, though I do rate his videos. I never listen to any critics, because at the end of the day half of them are biased anyway and all of them are simply spewing their own opinion. Movie Bob is great, but as a critic I never listen to what he says, because I make up my own opinion. I'll be seeing this film myself in a few weeks with friends, provided nothing comes up before then, and I like pretty much all of Tim Burton's work so far, when a lot of people don't (for some reason). Watch this anyway and make up your own mind. Don't let the critics tell you what to see and what not to see. Otherwise, what makes you any better than the sort of people who spout out Yahtzee quotes and proclaim Halo and Gears of War are Teh Gayzorz and have no mind of their own?

[small](I understand Yahtzee and Movie Bob are different. But my point still stands...)[/small]
 

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Oh my god, I fucking hate this show.

1. Stop ripping off ZP
2. Stop playing the sound clip from the start over the top of current audio at 1:40.
 

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wait, I thought it was based off of American McGee's "Alice". well, that was the only bit of interest I had in it, so I really don't care. why does he have a broadsword anyway?
 

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This is... interesting. I will definitely go see the movie anyway though.

But, more importantly..

Seriouly, the "new" player is messed up.

I get it guys. You want us to look at advertisments to make money of your video series. I respect that, and it's deserved. But could you make it in a way that does not screw up video rendering on slow machines? Try watching this on a netbook in battery mode, and you'll see what a mess this is.

Now, I shall report my own post to get myself heard.
 

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A battle sequence? The Madhatter with a broadsword?...???

0o

Loved the Hot Topic joke at the end though...lol
 

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Odd, the majority of reviews I've read are saying it's quite O.K. And Stephen Fry is in it, which just demands watching.

I don't think MovieBob is looking for attention, I just think he's very opinonated and pasionate. Plus annoying any side of a big argument is hilarious.
 

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This whole movie just seemed like a piece of self-indulgent crap, Just like every other Tim Burton movie, save for a few (Nightmare Before Christmas, Sweeney Todd, Edward Scissorhands.)
Tim Burton has said he's planning to redo his old movie "Frankenweenie." Now that could be good. Don't let him slaughter another childrens classic!!!
 

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Hey, Moviebob! I disagree with half of your reviews and that is perfectly fine.

I don't get angry when reading through the http://www.rottentomatoes.com/ So I don't have any negative feelings for your criticisms because I know what that means.

I liked Charlie and the chocolate factory until I realized that Depp was the focus of the story and not charlie. Sweeney Todd wasn't bad just really predictable; I refuse to watch Avatar since I have strong feelings against bestiality(Zoophilia); And the sarcasm that you showed in the first seconds of this new clip was quite funny.
 

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Well, seeing this I hope that when American Mcgee makes his movie "Oz", Tim Burton won't be asked to direct; Clive Barker however...
 

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I thought that was an awesome movie, at least compared to the old one.
Not that I'm saying the old one was bad, i loved that too, but the remake added more a ton more personality and exploration.
I know you tried to make up for it, and I do appreciate that...but still...=(


lol

Johann Goethe said:
So his main argument is that while it looks very nice, it's let down by a clichéd plot?
His argument was they turned Alice in Wonderland into Narnia/LOTR, that's all I needed to hear to know the movie is bad....=/

You could argue how Avatar was turned into Dances with Wolves, but Avatar's story hasn't been around for almost 150 years.....you're bastardizing the work by giving it a facelift like that....=/
 

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Loved the special message. I've hated a lot of Tim Burton's movies expect for one. Sweeny Todd. And I've have yet to watch a Nightmare before Christmas and refuse too. Judging by your review, this is crap. Thank you moviebob
What about Beetlejuice, Batman (1989, yes, the one with Jack Nicholson as the joker), Batman Returns, Ed Wood and Planet of the Apes (2001)? Those were all pretty good IMO. Especially Ed Wood, that was such an awesome movie if you're an Ed Wood fan.

It just bugs me how people hate on Burton but disregard every movie he's made before 2005.
 

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I could see it coming... I could tell that it would be a "Oh look, I'm creepy!" Tim Burton movie where he tries too hard to make a Tim Burton movie. Also, I would be able to stand the amount of 13 year old girls flooding the theater to go see it...
 

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I hate ALL Tim Burton movies. EVERY SINGLE ONE.

I knew this movie would be fail from the moment I saw it advertised when I went to see Avatar.(which by the way was still making millions on its 11th week before wonderfail pulled it).
 
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I knew it! I like Tim Burton (sometimes), but I had a feeling this would have been bad.

But Bob, how was the acting? Yes, Burton over-uses Johnny Depp and Helena Bonham Carter, but you can't deny they are both great actors.
 

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All reviews are worth exactly as much as the arguments they present to back up their observations, which is why these capsules are inherently worthless if seen as serious works of criticism. Which is fine, because they are amusing.

That said, I am bemused, if not surprised, that Bob thinks the original Lewis Carroll novel is "whimsical".
 

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I knew well ahead of time that this movie wasn't going to be what everyone makes it up to be. Oh sure, I was excited to hear Burton's weird-ass adapt the story of Alice's Adventures in Wonderland. But the more I saw the trailers, the more I realize how full of sh*t the film was. When I go to see a movie about the titular character, I want to see that character. Not the best friend of the director, nor his damn wife. Hell, Tim Burton may as well have married Johnny Depp, just to make it official.

I still plan to see this movie, but I'm going to wait until I get a chance to catch the matinee. There's no way I'm paying full price for it.
 

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Loved the special message. I've hated a lot of Tim Burton's movies expect for one. Sweeny Todd. And I've have yet to watch a Nightmare before Christmas and refuse too. Judging by your review, this is crap. Thank you moviebob
You know it's not even a Tim Burton movie, right?

It was just produced by him
 

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Was it just me or was the mad hatters split personality William Wallice (aka braveheart)?
 

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Quiet Stranger said:
Aura Guardian said:
Loved the special message. I've hated a lot of Tim Burton's movies expect for one. Sweeny Todd. And I've have yet to watch a Nightmare before Christmas and refuse too. Judging by your review, this is crap. Thank you moviebob

I think you mean "Judging by your review, you are crap. Thank you bob"

But in all seriousness, if I WAS to listen to a critic I'll listen to Ebert, a PROFESSIONAL who has spent his whole career (or at least a damn many years) reviewing movies, also don't listen to critics, go see the movie (theater or pirated) and judge for yourself, don't let other people decide for you, that's just fucking stupid
I agree. Don't let other people decide what you like for you. People seem to be so afraid of losing their "super indie, I only watch/play/do good shit all the time and I must look down on anyone who likes anything that is not perfect" persona's that they ending just seeming like stuck up, condescending assholes. It's really rather sad.

I don't think that Moviebob said all the bad things he said in last weeks review just to create controversy, I think that he truly believes it and feels that way. It's just that it seems very closed minded and limiting to oneself to have an attitude like that and it really has made me not look at him as an objective movie reviewer anymore.
 

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I was looking forward to this, not I'm havinh second thoughts. Still going to see it, but now it might be via DVD.
 

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I'm not terribly surprised at all. I can't say I agree or disagree with bob, as I haven't seen it yet. Though, I am getting rather sick of Burton. I was thinking about skipping it...but spring break is next week and I have disposable income. I'll do it out of boredom.
 

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Sylocat said:
Again, I thank the Escapist for that ad, which will drastically reduce the number of people with brains who will actually buy that game, thus keeping the multiplayer servers of games I like free of morons.
Wouldn't it just increase the number of people that aren't morons? It would shift the ratio, methinks.
Well, yeah, that's what I meant. Sorry if I was too wordy.
 

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Who the fuck cares what critics (especially Movie Bob, who I think is just trying to imitate Yahtzee) has to say. Who the hell goes to a movie like this expecting anything more than eye candy and good entertainment anyway? Who gives a shit how bad the story is or that The Mad Hatter has a broadsword? It's a movie! It's not made to be deep and provocative, it's made to be entertaining! And even if someone like Movie Bob thinks it isn't, that really just convinces me even more that it is, because all critics ever seem to have on their minds is looking clever, like they actually care about/understand deep stories and characters.

So all of you guys who wanted to see this and now don't just because some guy on FUCKING ESCAPIST thinks it's bad...

WHAT THE HELL?
 

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'Twasn't a bad movie, according to meself, but other people in the cinema weren't entirely impressed with it. I heard one parent say to his kid "I'm going to show the you good Alice in Wonderland, the cartoon one."

But, meh. Stephen Fry was a talking Cat.
 

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Just want to say first, that opening was the second most awesome thing I've seen on this site.

Back on topic: well, shit. I didn't expect anything really outstanding from Tim Burton, but dammit all, I was at least hoping this might turn out okay by virtue of the source material alone. Why can't Tim Burton let the story flow the way it's supposed to instead of fucking around with it until it becomes something else entirely?
 

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Why did they have to ruin Alice in Wonderland? This sounds more like Narnia on drugs.

I didn't actually think Charlie and the Chocolate Factory was terrible, so this is probably the worst Tim Burton movie for me.
 

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I skipped the first 30 seconds to get to the review. MovieBob, I know criticism is annoying, but I'd rather you just focus on doing reviews for the people just enjoy your reviews.

Anyways, I agree: Burton's Wonka was rather disappointing.
 

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To all the people saying that we should stop listening to critics and watch a movie ourselves to determine whether or not we should watch the movie: What is wrong with you? Does basic logic just not come up in your day to day life? Did you get dropped on the head as a kid? Are you just a filmmaker who's peeved at people for calling their crappy work crap? Seriously, I'd like to know why these people keep popping up.

It's like they're just attention whores who say something they think is profound but actually just comes off as pretentious, shallow and empty. If people did what they are suggesting, good movies would have stopped being made a century ago. "Hey, they're going to spend money on our movies anyway. Just make the trailers look pretty and we can fill the rest of the film with Taylor Mead's Ass [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taylor_Mead%27s_Ass] for all we care."

I'm starting to get angry at my confusion, so I'll calm my self down at snarking less irritating comments.

MatsVS said:
All reviews are worth exactly as much as the arguments they present to back up their observations, which is why these capsules are inherently worthless if seen as serious works of criticism. Which is fine, because they are amusing.
Hey, Moviebob's got intellegent arguments. He's got intellegent arguments coming out of his ass! [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CompletelyMissingThePoint]

SomeUnregPunk said:
I refuse to watch Avatar since I have strong feelings against bestiality(Zoophilia);
What does Beastiality have to do with anything? You can't be talking about the yoo-hoo between two consenting communicative adults.

Or are you just racist?

RJ Dalton said:
Back on topic: well, shit. I didn't expect anything really outstanding from Tim Burton, but dammit all, I was at least hoping this might turn out okay by virtue of the source material alone. Why can't Tim Burton let the story flow the way it's supposed to instead of fucking around with it until it becomes something else entirely?
Tim Burton has never been good when it comes to adaptations. Even his Batman movies had severe if subtle flaws.

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1. Stop ripping off ZP
Oh, that's so clever. Did you make that up yourself or did your Mommy help you?

Seriously though, if Bob should stop ripping off Yahtzee, then Yahtzee should stop ripping off Dennis Miller.
 

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Eeeee... scathing...
Well, I'll still see it but I won't have as high of expectations as I used to.
 

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Interesting review bob. I give you that. Tempted to watch it now, just to see the stuff you pinted out about it
 

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I knew it would be bad. When I first saw the commercials for this movie I thought, wow this movie is going to give a bunch kids a nightmare.
 

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His argument was they turned Alice in Wonderland into Narnia/LOTR, that's all I needed to hear to know the movie is bad....=/

You could argue how Avatar was turned into Dances with Wolves, but Avatar's story hasn't been around for almost 150 years.....you're bastardizing the work by giving it a facelift like that....=/
Will people stop with the "Avatar is such and such" crap?

Really, neither Dances with Wolves nor Pocahontas have an exclusive on that genre. Not to mention that it is not the same thing at all, Avatar is an original story, it can't be Dances with Wolves turned into sci-fi because it has absolutely nothing to do with Dances with Wolves.

So you are right, but for all the wrong reasons.

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But.... b-b-but....
But it's a Tim Burton movie....
*cries fanboy tears*
Yeah, I hate to break this to you, but the last good movie Tim Burton made was Sleepy Hollow, and that came out in 1999. The man is creatively bankrupt, which isn't really surprising. His goth, manierist visual style isn't exactly a slow burn and, a bit like Spielberg, he never quite made the jump to CG all that well.

The one thing that surprises me at this point is why he has decided to revisit Frankenweenie instead of giving a shot to his more grounded self by following up on Ed Wood.

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Who gives a shit how bad the story is or that The Mad Hatter has a broadsword? It's a movie! It's not made to be deep and provocative, it's made to be entertaining!
I think you just made film history implode out of sheer stupidity.

First, being deep and provocative is kind of the whole point. More so with Tim Burton, who has built a career specifically on being thematically deep and visually provocative.

Second, why do you assume that deep and provocative and character based is somehow opposed to "entertaining"? I don't know about Bob, but I can tell you I am most entertained when entertainment is deep and provocative. If it happens to have spaceships in it, well, that's a plus, but there are movies with big booms that are boring as hell (Armageddon) and movies that claim to be deep and character based that are boring as hell (Breaking the Waves), so there doesn't seem to be a connection there.

Third, as others have said above, if people didn't use movie reviews to determine whether a movie is worth watching, there wouldn't be any movie reviews, ever. That's what they are FOR. If they happen to be entertaining or enlightening that's also good, but the point is being informative.

I'm honestly surprised at the amount of criticism Bob manages to attract. I mean, the guy isn't even controversial. He's a critic of the geeky kind, which is a thing in the movie landscape, and not even a rare thing. It's a whole breed, people with a mix of kiddie nostalgia, love for the "so bad it's good" subset of movies and the shamefully neglected ability to actually understand what films are about paired with the shameful laziness of choosing escapism over art. Of course he swings from complaining about debasement of literary classics to obscure filmmaker fanboyism and popular franchise criticism. That's what those guys DO, and he actually does it pretty well.
 

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Moviebob, you are very, very annoying when you're not reviewing a movie. Which is fortunately, only a short time in some videos. But still.
 

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Don't be so worried if this adaptation turns out shit. There are about 20 other Alice in Wonderland movies out there, all varying degrees of success in regards to staying true to the original plot/being a decent movie. Hell, there is even a 70s pornographic, comedy musical of Alice in Wonderland (I shit you not).

One of my favourites, besides the old disney cartoon, would be the 1999 NBC television film http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_in_Wonderland_(1999_film). That one at least makes some reference to the fact that Alice through the Looking Glass is a seperate story(i.e - the sequel Tim Burton probably should have tried to make), rather than just lumping characters from either stories into one narrative.
I love that adaption! Seriously, I reckon Martin Short did the best Hatter ever.
Hilarious stuff.

OT: I wasn't planning on watching Burton's adaption in the first place. For the most part, I usually enjoy Burton's movies (and no, I didn't like Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, but this just looks so far outside of what I would be interested in that I doubt I'll even bother renting it. I'm not going to go around telling people that it's bad, because obviously I can't form that opinion without watching it, but I simply have no interest whatsoever in watching it. MovieBob's video only reinforces that feeling of disinterest.
 

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Huh, as I actually like his take on Willy Wonka's Chocolate Factory, I might like this movie too, I guess.
And indeed you most likely will, friend. I went to see the movie yesterday, and save for a few boring stretches it was quite enjoyable.
 

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Tim Burton has never been good when it comes to adaptations. Even his Batman movies had severe if subtle flaws.
I've said this before. Since I'm apparently not afraid to repeat myself, I'll say it again. Tim Burton is not, never has been and probably never will be a very good director in any sense of the word. His visual aesthetic is the only thing that's ever been any good about his movies, but he never seems to know what to do with it. He's terrible at pacing, his stories are terrible, he can't do action for shit (which wouldn't be a bad thing if he didn't insist on trying so much) and he has no sense of subtlety. Tim Burton would be a good guy to have as an executive producer, an idea man; someone behind the scenes directing the artistry and general ideas, but leaving the details to people who are better at the various positions that go into filmmaking. You know, like what George Lucas did with the original Star Wars and Indiana Jones movies.
The thing that angers me so much about Tim Burton is that for how bad he fucks up, his movies could be really good. To disagree with you, there was nothing subtle about what was wrong with Batman Returns. What was wrong with it was obvious: Batman was in it. The basic premise of Batman Returns could have made a really good movie, but this great idea and mostly good story was ruined by them shoehorning elements of the Batman Mythos into it. Batman himself was the most needless character of the whole story, serving no purpose in the film that was not better served by the other characters. What ruined Nightmare Before Christmas was not the story itself, but very bad directing, extremely shoddy pacing and a random action sequence at the end that was stupid, boring and painful. Charlie and the Chocolate factory had excellent casting and wonderful visuals that would have complimented the original story, except that Burton felt the need to change many key elements of the story and several characters, as well as adding a totally bullshit side-story about Wonka's dad being a crazy dentist. James and The Giant Peach was let down once again by his strange need to throw in random action sequences that are terribly directed, badly written and boring to watch.
Burton is just a bad director on the whole.
 

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Charlie is not his worst movie, though it is on the bottom. I wish to serve up a tasty tidbit called Planet of the Apes. What a horrible movie!
 

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Out of curiosity, I went to Burton's IMDb page to see what, if any good movies Burton had directed. Not counting short subjects, I'd rate Pee-wee's Big Adventure, Ed Wood, and Big Fish as his better films. Keep in mind, he did not direct nightmare Before Christmas. Even so, I find that film to be grotesquely overrated. In any case, he seems to work better if he is properly reigned but he needs to understand the material and be able to give it what it needs. This is why Planet of the Apes was so terrible. He didn't really get what the movie needed. That flick was shaping up to be Autobots vs. Decepticons (AvD), but never really got that far. Not that it would have been better if it had, but at least it would have went somewhere.

It seems like Hollywood always tries to find some kind of formula for film making or story writing. Understandable since they want their product to be successful. But formulas don't always work. Worse, formulas get stale. Hence why Bob noted that this is the formula Hollywood has been using lately. Now I won't be able to watch any new movie without wondering if it's another AvD, and likely finding it is.

As for this film, I let out a resounding "meh" when it was first announced. Not that a good film adaptation could not be done. Nor that Burton could not do it, even with Johny Depp in it (most overrated actor in the whole world). but I figured it wouldn't be good and lo and behold, apparently it isn't. Turning Wonderland into Narnia was something I didn't see coming. But that is most likely the worst idea in the whole world. Wonderland isn't Narnia and only a moron would try to make it so.

The problem with these epic wars in these overblown toy commercials is that they're homogeneous. You won't be able to tell one from another. Just wait. in a few years, you'll try to find that one scene you thought was nifty in those Narnia movies and you'll search, but not find it because it was in this movie.

Why do they hate giving movies an identity of their own? Why must everything be exactly the same? And didn't Burton already show he can't do epic with Planet of the Apes?
 

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I'll just say this, if the majority of the public don't see the flaws (which you don't have to be a film critic to see they don't), then it's subtle. There's nothing one man can say to change that. Our personal grievances with the films flaws can make them strong or severe or just irritating, nothing more. That said, Batman was a very important milestone in our culture, without it we would not have the Diniverse or the Dark Knight or mainstream Superhero movies in general. It just wasn't a good "Batman" film or a good adaptation in general.
 

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I'll just say this, if the majority of the public don't see the flaws (which you don't have to be a film critic to see they don't), then it's subtle.
Oh, I didn't say that Batman wasn't a milestone. The first Batman did a number of things right and most of its mistakes are fairly subtle and the darker tone of his films was a hell of a lot better than what Schummer did with it. The second one was overtly very badly done and, in fact, most people watching notice the glaring problems with Batman Returns on a second watch if not right away; it's just that there were a lot of things in it he did really well, which makes it hard to just dismiss the film out of hand unless you're a hardcore Batman fan who demands total adherence to the comic book universe (a rather silly thing to be, because the DC universe, like most comic book universes, is full of obvious contradictions, inconsistencies and general ridiculousness). Furthermore Burton has a huge, extremely vocal following of emos and goths who will drink from the toilet he pisses in just because he's Tim Burton and since they make the most noise, you tend to think of them as representing the general opinion. It's the salience bias, the same one that makes airplane crashes seem so much more horrifying than car crashes; more people die at one time, so airplanes get seen as more dangerous than driving.
 

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How does it compare to this Alice version http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1461312/ in which an Alice returns to Wonderland, supposedly the "best Alice in Wonderland film evah!"
Quite literally, as I clicked that an ad for the new Alice in Wonderland starring JOHNNY DEPP AND NO ONE ELSE popped up.

OT: I don't mind Johnny Depp but I am personally so tired of this Burton/Depp/Carter "clique" that seems to be gumming up Hollywood currently. I called this a little while ago: A movie called ALICE in Wonderland would be all about Johnny Depp as the Mad Hatter.

I had NO idea Anne Hathaway was in it! She's one of my favorite actresses and she is receiving such little credit for this movie. Oh well, maybe that's for the better...
 

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I'm going to see on Sunday. Much as I like MovieBob's reviews, I'm still looking forward to it, as Tim Burton is one of my favourite directors. Shame you didn't think it worked, but I'm intrigued with what Burton's done to Wonderland...

Plus, I quite liked Willy Wonka. It was fun and something you could just chill to. It also made me laugh. At the end of the day, that's all I want in a film :)
 

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I am honestly not going to touch this one with a ten foot pole. I am going to have to see it because of my girlfriend but I honestly could care less. If your serious they turned it into a giant battle between good and evil they can piss off. I was rather just excited to just have that nutty adventure through Wonderland Tim Burton style. Even if they pulled off a Wizard of Oz and just walk to some castle.

Alice in Wonderland is great because of the setting and the characters. But I seriously cannot imagine it being imagined like this. I just cant. It would be the LAST place I would take the story. A giant war between good and evil. Good wins, can I go home yet?
 

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wow...ok I get that you didnt like the movie, I understand that...but what I dont understand is that you thought Anne Hathaway was GOOD in the movie!!!!!WHAT!?

Anne Hathaway as the white queen was the worst part in the whole movie. Everything about her seemed forced to me, with her arms always held in 'fairy mode' even when she was using them for something was VERY annoying for me. I didnt like her character one bit.

I also dont see why everyone thinks shes hot, her mouth takes up half her goddam face! Tim Burton actually drew even further attention to her mouth with the deep red lipstick...she would be good at giving BJ's but kissing her would be like getting your face sucked off.

Johnny Depp wasnt that great either, he acted kinda like a cross between his Jack Sparrow and Willy Wonka characters. Hes great as Jack Sparrow in pirates, his Willy Wonka character sucked balls compared to Gene Wilders.

However, Helena Bonham Carter's character as the Red Queen stole the show for me. Her acting was fantastic! I wanted more scenes involving the Red Queen because she just nailed that role. The other miscellanious cast were also great! Crispin Glover as the knave of hearts was another stand-out character.

Overall, I tought the movie was pretty good but definitely not Tim Burtons best and definitely not a movie that I could watch over and over again without getting bored (like I can with Hot Fuzz and The Incredibles).
 

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I wish someone had shot Jhonny Depp after he did Crybaby, the only good movie I think that he has ever done. Tim Burton is a stoned-out old has-been, and the worse thing that ever happened to him is that he was given complete creative control and stopped hearing the words, "wait, that might be dumb, actually".
 

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I just love how the everyone is going crazy over a book that was written by a pedo doing drugs. I love random facts your teachers tell you
 

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So nobody is blaming Disney? I can see them having a few things to say about how Burton should have made this movie.
 

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Personally, I can't stand that all his movies are associated with Hot Topic. *shiver*
Johnny Depp + a little gothicness = one hell of a cash cow for associated products.
 

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This review has now prompted me to dig out American McGee's Alice this weekend and have some fun with a psycho totally leagal gal dealing with the death of her family.
Definitely my favourite adaptation of the story. One of the creepiest yet also funniest games I've ever played.

The impresion I got from the trailer was "looks pretty cool, but WTF is the Mad Hatter doing with a sword?" Sounds like I wasn't far off.
 

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I just saw it. I have to say it wasn't great, but it was an ok movie. The way I would put it is if you liked Narnia then you will like this.
 

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Aw man. Well, I'll still go see it, but I'm disappointed in Tim Burton for giving into the masses and mainstreaming the downright trippy, wandering, unpredictable tale that is Alice in Wonderland. He took out all the battyness and turned it into a good-versus-evil fantasy minion? For shame, sir. I guess there's always his other films to enjoy. On a side note, I enjoyed Charlie and the Chocolate Factory purely for the contrast with the old Gene Wilder movie.
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- Sweeney Todd, by the way, was Burton's most drab and uninspired film to date.
After my initial "NOOOOO ST CAN DO NO SIN" reaction, I realized with a deathly gasp that this is probably true. Oh fu-.......... johnny still makes the sexiest sweeney in history -_-;
 

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Wait what? I thought this was going to be Alice in Wonderland, not Chronicles of fucking Narnia. What the hell?

And just as I predicted, this movie turned out to be 80% Johnny Depp. He's a good actor, but he's not THAT fucking good, people. Especially since he's played the same fucking role (and that stupid fucking voice he does) since Ed Wood, with Pirates being the only exception. I guess having a hardon for repetition is the norm these days, which would explain why Jack Black, Michael Cera and Will Ferrel still have careers.

Oh, and Burton? American McGee already beat you to making a decent sequel to Alice. Maybe you should have looked into that before you put all that time and money into this shit.

EDIT: Whoa, I saw this last night with some friends, and I have to say: This wasn't nearly as horrible as Bob was making out to be. It was a pretty "okay" movie, and a lot of the things he nitpicked were heavily exaggerated. Depp and Carter weren't overpowering over the lead role like this video claims, and Depp's acting leaned closer to Sparrow than it did Charlie.

Now, having said that, I still say that American McGee's take on a dark and gritty Alice was far superior than this movie. I'm serious, if you're reading this right now GO PLAY THIS GAME.
 

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To be honest,I actually quite liked the Charlie and The Chocolate Factory. But it is your review,not mine

This film met expectation. I was expecting it to be just ok.

All in All,as far as classic characters returning the roots,"Hook" takes the cake. I do love that movie,even though the critics killed that one.
Its also interesting that they casted Crispin Glover. All I can ever seem him as is George Mcfly. Thus all scenes with him in it just made me laugh.

Also,am I the only one who is pissed that Tim Burton's films have become this annoying Hot Topic/Emo fodder? A director who has impressive films under his belt have these annoying psuedo-depressed teenagers who use his films as a fashion statement. They stole Night Before Christmas from us all.

"even with Johny Depp in it (most overrated actor in the whole world)"

I think the right word is overused. Imo this man is a good actor. There are shitty actors who get far more praise (and money) then he does.
 

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I dunno, I think I have the same problem with moviebob as I do with just about any film critic. They know a bit too much about films.

It's kinda like how a composer has trouble enjoying a concert because he knows when the nots are coming out flat and the tempo gets off. I can't understand how critics see movies because i can't think like they do. If anything I think it's a blessing.
 

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Its also interesting that they casted Crispin Glover. All I can ever seem him as is George Mcfly. Thus all scenes with him in it just made me laugh.
I'll give Burton (and Depp) a lot of credit for casting Glover, given his participation in the MERCILESS parody of Depp's Wonka he did in "Epic Movie" (the ONLY remotely funny part of that movie.)
 

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Watching this while watching Tim Burton and Johnny Depp on "Friday night with Jonathon Ross" it's making me confused >_<.
Have to say that it might be a very poor movie, but I'm still going to see it. Just cause it's Alice, and I like watching all the different Alice interpretations. I think my Favorite is from the 70's the one with Ringo Starr as the mock turtle and Sammy Davis Jr. as the Caterpillar, and a slew of more stars from back then.
 

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I would like to say that after seeing the movie, I found it quite entertaining. I'd like to point out that even though something just about surreal and odd characters apparently worked for the animated Disney film and the original source (which I have neither seen nor read respectively), I'd like to question WHY doing something like this is a bad idea. I remember when people said that remakes were supposed to be about remaining faithful to the source material without completely copying it. While this wasn't a remake per-say, it was more of a sequel, it at least is doing something new. At least a lot of the characters are interesting. You know what, why even bother talking about it as a remake. Shouldn't a movie be judged on its own?
 

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SomeUnregPunk said:
I refuse to watch Avatar since I have strong feelings against bestiality(Zoophilia);
What does Beastiality have to do with anything? You can't be talking about the yoo-hoo between two consenting communicative adults.

Or are you just racist?
No I'm not racist. The blue aliens in that movie is not another race of humans.
 

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No. Just . . . Just fail. MovieBob, you fail.
EDIT: I literally facepalmed.
HOW THE FUCK COULD YOU NOT LIKE THIS MOVIE?!!? Jesus Christ, Bob! I thought you were better than this! I thought you supported creative imaginative film making!
I am disappoint, MovieBob. I am very disappoint.
 

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Ugh, I was looking forward to this to. Seriously, why couldn't make a faithful adaptation to story and call it day?
The problem is as MovieBob says there simply is not much story in "Alice in Wonderland" to adapt; it *is* mostly Alice wandering around dealing with what amounts to a madhouse run by the inmates.

While its its official sequel "Through the looking Glass" has something more of a plot and a goal--it is almost a surreal coming of age book as Alice goes from Pawn (young girl) to Queen (young woman) even it jumps around a bit.

A big problem is other than Alice being involved in both and them having the same author there is NO connection between the two books though adaptations for some reason like to shove the two in a blender and mix them together. The result as expected makes about as much sense as the Hatter's tea party; if anything it makes LESS sense then "Alice in Wonderland" on its own does.

"Through the looking Glass" lends itself more to the action genre but again NONE of the Wonderland characters appear and people are more familiar with them than those in the later book.
 

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The link apears to be broken.

Aparently if I had waited 30 seconds more the video would have finished being uploaded to the site, live and learn I guess.

Disapointed that the Bob thinks the movie sucked, I was kind of thinking of going to see it.
Go see it. It is much better than he's making it out to be.
 

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Yeah, I've got to say I completely disagree with you there Bob. I thought this movie was stellar, not as a Tim Burton movie, as just a good adaptation in general. I didn't find the story at all to be, as you put it, "on autpilot." It's actually impressive how well the story turned out for this, and I love how you merely gleamed over the visuals. Burton managed to recreate the feel and atmosphere of a book into a movie, that's incredibly difficult to pull off, especially when the book itself relies heavily on imagery as its main narrative pull.
 

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Well, reading everyone;s comments, I'd say just about everyone disagrees. On top of that, even though you were putting the movie down, you just made me want to see it even more. As a hardcore Alice fan & a hardcore Burton fan, there's pretty much zero chance of me disliking this in any way, so by bias is preset.

I can wonder what kind of review you'll have for "Pride & Prejudice & Zombies" when its movie comes out :mad:

This is starting to sound like a blend of "Alice Through the Looking Glass," "American McGee's Alice", "Looking Glass Wars" & "The Marvelous Land of Oz."

I liked Charlie & the Chocolate Factory too, ONLY the music was terrible (ungodly terrible).

It focuses more on the Hatter than Alice? About damn time. He was always my favorite. & he has a sword? It's like an RPG fantasy come true *_*
 

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Charlie is not his worst movie, though it is on the bottom. I wish to serve up a tasty tidbit called Planet of the Apes. What a horrible movie!

Wait, THE Planet of the Apes? That was a Tim Burton movie? Cause if it was, he struck gold with that. That movie was spectacular, I don't care what you say.
 

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I CALLED IT! two weeks ago I was sitting down to dinner with the family, my sister said that she wanted to see the new alice in wonderland movie, she's a burton fan (and she's 12!) I told her it was going to be sheed because it isn't the amazing third sequel I want (I DEMAND here and now that there be a movie of American McGee's alice, I would BUY that film) and that any critic with a decent head on his/her shoulders would know it. So thank you moviebob, and an even bigger thank you for making master chief slightly standable.
 

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I CALLED IT! two weeks ago I was sitting down to dinner with the family, my sister said that she wanted to see the new alice in wonderland movie, she's a burton fan (and she's 12!) I told her it was going to be sheed because it isn't the amazing third sequel I want (I DEMAND here and now that there be a movie of American McGee's alice, I would BUY that film) and that any critic with a decent head on his/her shoulders would know it. So thank you moviebob, and an even bigger thank you for making master chief slightly standable.
According to American McGee's blog, now that Spicey Horse is making a 2ed Alice Game, EA Games is all for an Alice movie.
 

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EnigmaHarper said:
Charlie is not his worst movie, though it is on the bottom. I wish to serve up a tasty tidbit called Planet of the Apes. What a horrible movie!

Wait, THE Planet of the Apes? That was a Tim Burton movie? Cause if it was, he struck gold with that. That movie was spectacular, I don't care what you say.
He's probably referring to the CG-enhanced remake. And I did not know he was involved in that at all.

Also, Bob... BEST... INTRO... EVER! Seriously, I was in tears at that. Too bad the movie doesn't sound as good...
 

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likalaruku said:
blakfayt said:
I CALLED IT! two weeks ago I was sitting down to dinner with the family, my sister said that she wanted to see the new alice in wonderland movie, she's a burton fan (and she's 12!) I told her it was going to be sheed because it isn't the amazing third sequel I want (I DEMAND here and now that there be a movie of American McGee's alice, I would BUY that film) and that any critic with a decent head on his/her shoulders would know it. So thank you moviebob, and an even bigger thank you for making master chief slightly standable.
According to American McGee's blog, now that Spicey Horse is making a 2ed Alice Game, EA Games is all for an Alice movie.
WHOOOOOOO! you have just made my night! now if only we can find someone other than Tim to direct... anyone know of any directors who do a good job at gory, gothic stuff?
 

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blakfayt said:
likalaruku said:
blakfayt said:
I CALLED IT! two weeks ago I was sitting down to dinner with the family, my sister said that she wanted to see the new alice in wonderland movie, she's a burton fan (and she's 12!) I told her it was going to be sheed because it isn't the amazing third sequel I want (I DEMAND here and now that there be a movie of American McGee's alice, I would BUY that film) and that any critic with a decent head on his/her shoulders would know it. So thank you moviebob, and an even bigger thank you for making master chief slightly standable.
According to American McGee's blog, now that Spicey Horse is making a 2ed Alice Game, EA Games is all for an Alice movie.
WHOOOOOOO! you have just made my night! now if only we can find someone other than Tim to direct... anyone know of any directors who do a good job at gory, gothic stuff?
As long as it isn't Micheal Bay. That would be an instant ruin. Actually, it's not likely to come out for many years, but I suspect that if this Alice movie makes enough money, the AMA movie could be seen as a potential box office cash cow, once the rights to the movie stop square dancing between different studeos. Probably the same with "Pride & Prejudice & Zombies."
 

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Bob sure can take a punch. I wouldn't be surprised if he reads all
 

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his critcs' comments while sitting on a bigass chair going
"HAHAHA! YOUR PETTY INSULTS ARE NOTHING!!!"
 

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likalaruku said:
blakfayt said:
likalaruku said:
blakfayt said:
I CALLED IT! two weeks ago I was sitting down to dinner with the family, my sister said that she wanted to see the new alice in wonderland movie, she's a burton fan (and she's 12!) I told her it was going to be sheed because it isn't the amazing third sequel I want (I DEMAND here and now that there be a movie of American McGee's alice, I would BUY that film) and that any critic with a decent head on his/her shoulders would know it. So thank you moviebob, and an even bigger thank you for making master chief slightly standable.
According to American McGee's blog, now that Spicey Horse is making a 2ed Alice Game, EA Games is all for an Alice movie.
WHOOOOOOO! you have just made my night! now if only we can find someone other than Tim to direct... anyone know of any directors who do a good job at gory, gothic stuff?
As long as it isn't Micheal Bay. That would be an instant ruin. Actually, it's not likely to come out for many years, but I suspect that if this Alice movie makes enough money, the AMA movie could be seen as a potential box office cash cow, once the rights to the movie stop square dancing between different studeos. Probably the same with "Pride & Prejudice & Zombies."
LOL, a Micheal Bay Alice in wonderland, I must now quote Robot Chicken with "Micheal bay-splosions!" Every time the Cheshire cat shows up he does so in a large explosion, and leaves in the same fashion, every weapon alice gets is a different type of grenade or rocket, and the movie ends with alice being chucked out of the rabbit hole via a large NUKE destroying ALL OF WONDERLAND. I'd hate it, but everyone who like halo would loves it to pieces.
 

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When you said Alice gets a sword, I thought you would of went straight for a She-Ra joke, oh well. Great review as always.
 

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wow, I hadn't even heard of the LotR battles before this review. I thought it was going to be a somewhat pretentious attempt to make a "sequel" to the classic story, but instead we get Burton having the Mad Hat-uh, Alice and the Red Queen trying to be Sauron and Aragorn. Lewis Carroll must be spinning in his grave at high speed right this moment. If Burton really wanted to do something different he should have adapted Through the Looking Glass.
 

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Considering how I liked both "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory" and "American McGee's Alice", I'll definitely watch it anyway.
 

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I actually went to see this before I saw the review. Huh. Just goes to show that me and moviebob are still having and on-again, off-again similarity in movie tastes. I really liked this movie a lot.
 

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To everyone who has yet to see this film:

Bob's review has many valid points, and indeed, if you're looking for a movie that has a wonderful plot and well-developed characters, you will be sorely disappointed.

However, that's not to say that this movie is entirely without merit. I watched the movie today and found it rather enjoyable. Yes, it's a little schizophrenic, and yes, it's entirely predictable, but for some reason, it all comes together rather well. As Bob said, the light sprinkling of CG all over the place makes for some lovely eff