Escape to the Movies: Expendables 2

Twinmill5000

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You know, the difference in your, and your fellow critics' opinion, and say, the opinion of everyone else, captures perfectly the void between people who get paid to watch and review movies for a living, and people who do it recreationally.

Just because something isn't intellectual on all grounds, doesn't mean it can't be fun. So, if you're going to watch this movie, and you don't like wearing a monocle and pointing out how much better you are than everyone else when in fact you have no real reason to because you are most likely, in fact, the one everyone points out how much better they are than, then yes, you'll enjoy the fuck out of this movie.

If you want to see a bunch of iconic movie stars all in the same place beating the crap out of everything and eachother, and if you're the type of person who enjoys Mortal Kombat as a series for the, you know, just plain unrestrained violence every once in a while, then go see this movie. You will not be disappointed.

Back to my original, more constructive point. Guys, Bob, like most critics, is a critic. On top of usually being jaded on an extreme level (expertise in cinema), unless you share the exact same interest in movies that they do, you shouldn't take their words as more than a grain of salt. A movie they find good, may not be that great, for you, because the way they judge movies is different, and hell if I'll say better (it's not) than the way you or I judge them.

If you want real advice on whether or not to see a movie, and you aren't a critic, your peers are your best people to turn to. For, unless your peers, those that you would turn to for advice, are critics themselves, you are at a fundamental disconnect with people like Bob; this is by no means a bad thing, it just means you, like me, don't watch as many movies.

It'd be like, if I decided to critique guitars and decided to give everyone a slap on the wrist for buying Schecter because their old C8s have shorter scale lengths in an effort to balance the high and low ends, while taking away all versatility in the tuning. You won't care if you're not a hardcore guitar nut or at least someone who knows alot about guitars. They play nice, resonate sound well, and they look pretty and have great specs for the price. That's enough for most people to buy them and enjoy them. Doesn't make you less of a person. Should I really expect everyone to know all of that stuff and how to differentiate it? No. Should I call them idiots or gawk at their 'intellectual inferiority' because they don't? Fuck no. Am I making my point yet? I don't know.
 

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I was kind of disappointed that movies called "The Expendables" weren't an attrition of big name stars- I would have enjoyed a movie about a blatently moronic group of mercenaries taking on suicide missions and slowly biting the big one, one by one. Sort of like Tears of the Sun (Not the best example, but it's what I think when I think attrition), but with steroids and slow motion. I was genuinely disappointed that at the end of the first one, they even kept the traitorous asshole guy, who seemed to have been well and truly murdered, alive. I have to ask: Why are they called The Expendables: What kind of a mercenary would label themselves as having unnecessary survival, and having done so, why are they never used in this way? Mercenaries very much would like to survive-they're looking to get paid.

Stupid rant on a silly name aside: I despised that review. I haven't seen the film, and it'll probably bore me just as much as the first one, but I'd actually like to see Bob go at it like normal: Refering to the actors by roles they had in films I may or may not have seen (Yes, I've seen most of the obvious ones, Terminator, Transporter, Die Hard) makes the review harder to understand for one, and while it's clever-the movies relying on itself being a reference to their better roles, so referring to those is making some sort of ironic mockery of that, it just bugged me.

And all I got from the rest of it was: Seemed no-one tried, blurry grey shots, with silly overexposure (Sounds like my last game of Battlefield 3), and that the actors fired shots randomly at nothing? A bit more detail and deconstruction like his other reviews and less cleverness would have been nice.
 

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I think Bob has metioned a few times that he doesn't want his reviews to be taken as gospel.

Case in point - He got me excited about Captain America, I was quite disappointed.

I haven't seen the first Expendables yet, I'll get around to it eventually.
I think we all should accept that, as with all art, movies change their style and focus to differing audiences. Those audiences aren't always us.
 

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Does Bob still not understand that we didn't dislike his review of the Expendables because he sounded like a pretentious film snob who basically insulted people that liked (or even would have liked it)? Because he still seems to think we're just offended by his opinion.

Frankly this just seems like another case of Spider-Man, ie already making up your mind on a film months before you've seen it.
 

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Aiddon said:
Washed-Up 80s Hacks: The Movie: The Sequel. The stars in this movie are not missed (though I roll my eyes at how legitimate talent like Jet Li and Jason Statham keep showing up in dreck like this) and it's pitiful how they keep trying to extend their shelf life that hit its expiration date about twenty years ago. We were definitely better off once we got back to teaching actors how to fight instead of pretending lunk heads could act. I am glad that no one besides Sly is really trying to bring back the worst excesses of the 80s so it makes it come off as sad instead of annoying.
I agreed with you until you mentioned Jason Statham and talent in the same sentence. Unless you mean Jason Statham's talent at being Jason Statham, in which case I can under stand that. Besides, Statham has appeared in worse movies, oddly enough alongside Jet Li. Hmmm...
 

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Karelwolfpup said:
I agreed with you until you mentioned Jason Statham and talent in the same sentence. Unless you mean Jason Statham's talent at being Jason Statham, in which case I can under stand that. Besides, Statham has appeared in worse movies, oddly enough alongside Jet Li. Hmmm...
Statham CAN be good as his turns in Lock, Stock, and Two Smoking Barrels and Snatch proved, but he got stupid and went for bad, schlocky action movies. He definitely can have gravitas but fell too in love with money, so even I'm writing him off as wasted potential at this point. Jet Li just had the unfortunate fate of being in bad movies overseas like SO many other Asian actors.
 

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DugMachine said:
TorchofThanatos said:
I loved this MOVIE!
IT was so much fun.

and HOBO with a Shotgun sucked! NO movie should ever do what that one tired to.

NO it is not a good movie, but it is a fun movie.
Sup with the random caps all over this post? I have a feeling you're just trying to get under bobs skin with this post. And personally, I enjoyed hobo with a shotgun very much but that's just me.

OT: Never watched the first one so will probably give this one a pass.
Maybe, but I just really hated Hobo, That is one of the few movies I have walked out on.
I also really enjoyed Expendables 2. Bob can enjoy some stupid comedy movies for just being stupid comedy movies but he can't enjoy stupid action movies for being stupid action movies. I understand that it is all personal choice but I can still get mad at him for it.
 

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I decided that instead of using the money to buy tickets to this, I would buy The Raid: Redemption on Blu-Ray

A much better choice apparently.
 

Crazy Zaul

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I didn't hate the first one, knew he would hate this one, and will watch it anyway.

SamStar42 said:
Does Bob still not understand that we didn't dislike his review of the Expendables because he sounded like a pretentious film snob who basically insulted people that liked it.
Yeh, I think its Bobs pretentious side that hates these movies.
 

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I like how people can with a straight face say this movie is bad if they never saw it. Wanna give a good opinion then watch the movie, if not your thoughts don't really matter :D.
 

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Graham_LRR said:
AnarchistAbe said:
Addendum: I don't get the critical slaughter of this series... This is a tongue-in-cheek, self-refferential action film. THEY REFERENCE RAMBO DIRECTLY for fuck's sake!!! This was not TRYING to be a critical success. It doesn't take itsself seriously. I just don't undestand the mentality behing listening to a critic with a movie like The Expendables.
Because it could have been so much better. A "campy, self-referential, tongue-in-cheek" can still be an excellent action movie, and this wasn't. That's why.
Got an example of a joke that could have been done much better? If your gonna say there are ways to do something better at least give a example.
 

PorkChopXpress

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Saw this at the Alamo Drafthouse after 3 Van Damme movies. What a great time! It's not Hitchcock, it's not Kubrick or even Spielberg, some movies are just a fun love letter to the fans, that's it.
 

PorkChopXpress

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AnarchistAbe said:
Go see and formulate your own opinion!!!

I loved this movie for what it was: a campy, action flick with awesome one-liners, and a host of (now aged) action stars. Don't go into this expecting ANYTHING but what it is, and I think you'll enjoy it.

Addendum: I don't get the critical slaughter of this series... This is a tongue-in-cheek, self-refferential action film. THEY REFERENCE RAMBO DIRECTLY for fuck's sake!!! This was not TRYING to be a critical success. It doesn't take itsself seriously. I just don't undestand the mentality behing listening to a critic with a movie like The Expendables.
Thank you.
 

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I could quote every single one in this thread who isn't getting the point, but i won't, to much, to lazy.
If you like Expandables xy, do so, you're allowed, "art, fun, entertainment" or whatever is what you call it, there are no absolute definitions, there can't be.
If your arguments are "I had fun watching this movie because i wanted plain action, catchy one-liners and more or less burned out stars trying to party like they did in the past and referencing themselfs doing so", sure why not, Bob isn't saying there will be anything else waiting for you.
Also, Bob is a "critic", he isn't the "god of movies", he isn't "the voice from the speaker you have to obay", sometimes he's just ranting in a review because of personal bias, that's unprofessional, but sometimes he does a good job at analysing a movie and trying his best as a critic to make his analyses appealing to listeners. You can go along with what he says, but you mustn't if you don't want to. Another thing of reviews is, trying to have some kind of influence on the industry, if you like something, speak out to encourage more, if you don't, point at what you dislike and maybe next time it will be different, same thing here [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/jimquisition/6098-I-Hate-Videogames-Because-I-Love-Them].

But as there are legitimate reasons to like it, there are also reasons not to like it!
"RoboCop", "Rambo", "Die Hard" the old "Total Recall", the older martial arts movies like "Dragon somethingsomething" (seriously, enter what you want and you have the name of an old eastern), even something like the 1987 "Running Man", films from the time those old geezers originated from had just the same mix of plain action, one-liners and stupid violence as Expandables (i can't stress Running Man enough on this one, dramatically this movie was horrible), but they felt different! Why is that? Is it simple nostalgia? Is it the effort needed to pull of those stunts with 1/4 of the budgets used today, designing the methods used to do those stunts up until today, setting milestones while getting one or another bone broken? Is it that those movies had consistent themes, some being rather good science fiction at the same time, or getting (kinda) in touch with other cultures when they seemed to be further away than today, or by dealing with the wars of the past decades? They had many flaws as well, but including a mix of the things mentioned above, they made good action movies! You barely see those things today (for example the new "Total Recall" just isn't comparable to the old one for reasons Bob already mentioned, lets see if the new Judge Dredd will be), but some do other things right, i'd like to mention "Crank", the story is simple as it gets, the screenplay is... i'd say actually not that bad... but basically it does nothing else but to throw you from one crazy stupid action scene into another, but is themed and consistent in doing so!

"The Expendables", at least the first one, was none of this! To me, it was so friggin boring i snoozed off after the first 30 minutes (late at home, i never sleep in cinemas) and when i woke up my friend told me i wouldn't have missed anything by skipping it (to be sure, another day i watched it again and i realy didn't).
I don't know how different it is with the second one, but i guess it barely is, maybe i'll bother when it's out on DVD. However, i'd realy, realyrealy like to see action movies doing a better job than this and that's exactly why i demand it and the reason i can understand Bob's point. If you are satisfied with what you got with "The Expendables 2", then go along, but if you want to say anything against a review like this, at least try to make a point, or waste your time on something else!

'Nough said so far, much regard if you actually read all the above.
 
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Wait wait wait! Hold on, people actually liked the first Expendables? I couldn't watch 5 minutes of it without thinking, "So all they do is kill people and don't get killed themselves? I could be playing a game and be doing this!". I guess I'm more sophisticated than my 10 year old self.

Anyway, you aren't the only person that hates the Expendables Bob. Also, is the title referencing the thousands of goons they kill? Because none of the bloody "heroes" die for fuck sake and that doesn't make them fucking "expendable"!
 

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I haven't seen either Expendables film, and have no desire to. I did, on the other hand, see Scott Pilgrim about a month after release and fell in love with it. I totally ate up the film, the books, and the game.

(Yeah, I read the books AFTER I saw the movie. Deal with it, hipsters.)

However, I saw each of Michael Bay's Transformers films multiple times each. So apparently I'm some sort of mouth-breathing, slack-jawed idiot who shouldn't be allowed to drive a car or vote--somewhere, according to Bob's Transformers 3 review, "I could do real damage."

It's all about respect. It's the reason (I think) we can't get any real work done in the political arenas; BOTH sides are so eager dismiss the opposition's views and ideas they'll find some stupid reason to demonize the entire lot and claim the moral high ground.

A Democrat has a good idea for restoring the economy? "Ah, what do you know, dirty liberal?" the Republicans say. "I don't even have to listen to you to know you're a socialist!"

A Republican has a plan for widespread health care? "Piss off, you religious nutjob!" the Democrats say. "I know you hate gays and women's rights, so I'm not going to bother giving you a chance!"

Another example: I liked Mass Effect 3's original ending. I know a lot of people didn't. But I'm not going to yell at all those people and call them stupid because they "didn't get it" or say they aren't true fans or some such nonsense. At the same time, I'd appreciate it if those people didn't call me stupid for liking it or call me a BioWare apologist or any of that stuff.

Basically, don't say "hey, you have to respect my opinion, I have a right to my opinion," and then turn around and insult someone for...having an opinion.