Escape to the Movies: Godzilla - Breaking Kaiju

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wyldefire said:
I'm still seeing this, but god almighty, why pay for Brian Cranston and Ken Watanabe and then have them not be the center of the film?
I'm generally pissed about this. I thought 'well, even if they do focus on the humans like so many other monster movies, at least it's Ken Watanabe and that Breaking Bad dude', finding out that his freaking son is the main character is a massive kick to the hype-nads...
 

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I still think Bob hates white people. Also American Godzilla film has awesome effects would be the highlight of the film, who would have guessed.
 

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Wow Bob, that may be a fair review (not seen the film), but your aside in the middle makes you come of as even smugger then the other critics you're bitching about. Surely as a critic you should be celebrating the fact that there are discussions about pacing and suspense when Hollywood is suffering from a terrible case of premature ejaculation. The fact that this film seems to end up wasting the opportunity is beside the point. I'd much rather a film try and fail then go the boring simple route.

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Andrew Siribohdi said:
I think you're fair in this review, especially since you make the comparison to Jaws so we understand where you're coming from.

Also, I'm hearing a lot about this old-guard critics vs. geek critics a lot from you lately. Has this become an actual problem?
Only in Bob's mind basically he's getting more up himself and it's been especially prevelant in recent weeks. He's entitled to his opinion but I wish he'd review the damn film and not try to bear grudges on films or now other critics instead of giving his opinion. It's why I listen to Bob for 5 minutes every week and I listen to this man.

For 2 hours because whilst both have strong opinions which I don't always agree with the old school critic tries to review the damn film without any baggage.

Seriously Bob I want to listen about the film that stuff is good but I don't care that you disagree with other critics or you need to take another dig at Spider-Man (this years whipping boy it seams after Man of Steel, Green Lantern and oh I loose track).
I fully agree. While I accept that its impossible to be fully objective about a film, at least the "Old Guard" can argue their points and agree to disagree instead of the attitude of "I'm right, you're wrong". Dr Kermode (guy in the picture for those who don't know who he is) did a blog about this last week. (Available here [http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/markkermode/posts/Twittercism])
 

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Darknacht said:
This is a big dumb monster movie, the parts with the monster you have fun watching them wreck stuff and the parts with the people you have fun laughing a how dumb they are, how bad the movies fact checkers are, or just laughing a the WTF was the point of that scenes. And Godzilla is not fighting for the humans he barely even realizes that they exist he just kills to make sure he stays the top of the food chain. Bob just hates everything.
I don't understand what sense that's supposed to make. Yes, Godzilla is a big dumb action movie, but how does that in any way deflect Bob's criticisms? Bob doesn't dislike the movie, because it's big or dumb, but because the characters are generic and boring, yes "boring", something an action movie should never be. Apparently as long as there are fight scenes, and explosions in a movie, you aren't allowed to dislike it or criticize it in any way, or else you just "hate everything".
 

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Gerardo Vazquez said:
Darknacht said:
This is a big dumb monster movie, the parts with the monster you have fun watching them wreck stuff and the parts with the people you have fun laughing a how dumb they are, how bad the movies fact checkers are, or just laughing a the WTF was the point of that scenes. And Godzilla is not fighting for the humans he barely even realizes that they exist he just kills to make sure he stays the top of the food chain. Bob just hates everything.
I don't understand what sense that's supposed to make. Yes, Godzilla is a big dumb action movie, but how does that in any way deflect Bob's criticisms? Bob doesn't dislike the movie, because it's big or dumb, but because the characters are generic and boring, yes "boring", something an action movie should never be. Apparently as long as there are fight scenes, and explosions in a movie, you aren't allowed to dislike it or criticize it in any way, or else you just "hate everything".
He found them boring I found the so dumb they are funny, and the Bob hates everything comment was a joke. If you read all of my comment you would have seen that I mentioned far more that was enjoyable than the fight scenes. And the characters while archetypes are not portrayed how they typically are in big dumb action movies, at least not most American ones, the humans, particularly the military, come off basically as comic relief, tipping over their own feet, creating more problems than they ever solve, and and when told that radiation feed the monsters and they see the monsters eating nukes, they ask the expert if their blow it up with a nuke plan will work and the expert says 'no it will make them stronger' they somehow interpret that as 'yes nukes will stop them'.
 

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Remember that nuke at the end?




I seriously don't know what they were thinking with the nuke...
 

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Draconalis said:
Remember that nuke at the end?
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I seriously don't know what they were thinking with the nuke...
Remember when the military said that these nukes would work because they where way bigger that the ones used at Bikini Atoll? The ones used it those tests went up to 15 megatons.
 

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Darknacht said:
Draconalis said:
Remember that nuke at the end?
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I seriously don't know what they were thinking with the nuke...
Remember when the military said that these nukes would work because they where way bigger that the ones used at Bikini Atoll? The ones used it those tests went up to 15 megatons.
So... even more of San Fransisco and the west cost died?

I don't quite get your point.
 

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What? Do you think Batman should be like, some kinda..."ninja" or something, with a smaller, more mobile and lightweight costume that allows for speed, flexibility, maneuverability and cunning, as opposed to "I'm here to beat down everyone in the room" body armor? Pssh! Where ever would you get an idea like that.
No. But I don't think that armor should depict a naked man.
That's because it's not really armor.

That's all Affleck under there. Sort of like how more agile characters like Spider-man and Captain America don't run around in 100 lbs of kevlar.

OT: Who would imagine that the best part of a Godzilla film is Godzilla, and that when Godzilla isn't around we're all waiting for Godzilla to show back up again.

I'll give it this: no way can it be worse than the LAST Hollywood Godzilla film.
I've figured out how to make the last Hollywood Godzilla movie infinitely more watchable.
Step 1 stop thinking of it as a Godzilla movie
Step 2 start thinking of it as a remake of The Beast from 20,000 Fathoms.
It actually isn't half bad if you think of it that way. In fact looking at it, I am left with the feeling that it was originally intended to be a Beast movie, but they just grabbed the script and scrawled in Godzilla when the rights became available. Seriously go watch it and then watch Beast. They line up far better than it does with any even vague concept of Any Godzilla movie.
 

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Looks like I'll have to wait for the DVD so I can skip to the good part... Either that or just watch more Pacific Rim which goes straight into the good part from the first minute...

I really do hope that Pacific Rim 2 does not get bogged down with Forced Romantic/Family Interest (FRI/FFI) syndrome. It only works when the interest is not a deus ex machina plot device.
 

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Draconalis said:
Darknacht said:
Draconalis said:
Remember that nuke at the end?
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I seriously don't know what they were thinking with the nuke...
Remember when the military said that these nukes would work because they where way bigger that the ones used at Bikini Atoll? The ones used it those tests went up to 15 megatons.
So... even more of San Fransisco and the west cost died?

I don't quite get your point.
Thats the point, the military detonates a clockwork nuke that is one of the largest nuclear bombs they have ever blown up, if not the largest, for absolutely no reason and kills more people than the 3 Kaiju. Oh and that was only half the plan they wanted to blow up two of the warheads.
 

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Darknacht said:
Thats the point, the military detonates a clockwork nuke that is one of the largest nuclear bombs they have ever blown up, if not the largest, for absolutely no reason and kills more people than the 3 Kaiju. Oh and that was only half the plan they wanted to blow up two of the warheads.
Ah, I thought you were somehow defending their stupid... stupid plan.

But it's okay! In magic movie world... no one dies from fallout!
 

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Draconalis said:
Darknacht said:
Thats the point, the military detonates a clockwork nuke that is one of the largest nuclear bombs they have ever blown up, if not the largest, for absolutely no reason and kills more people than the 3 Kaiju. Oh and that was only half the plan they wanted to blow up two of the warheads.
Ah, I thought you were somehow defending their stupid... stupid plan.

But it's okay! In magic movie world... no one dies from fallout!
Maybe Godzilla eats all the radiation, after all the MUTO absorbed so much radiation in the beginning that there was not even background radiation.
 

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Bob, you've been spoiled with that other film you referenced. Sure, Brian Cranston was giving a good performance in the first part of the film and yes, Aaron Taylor-Johnson isn't good in this.

Also, seeing Gojira going at it with this (I assume) bat like version of the Mosura (Mothra) is awesome.
But there was a subtle balance. Although I did face palm every time they lost a nuke because that's like putting some taco's on a plate and yell 'dinner is ready' for those creatures. But the fight between the creatures is worth it, and I wanted more but then again they didn't want to go overboard because then it would be just straight up Pacific Rim 2.

So this film gets a 3 and a half out of 5 stars from me.
 

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I knew the human relationships were going to be Bob's complaint about 20 minutes in, and I couldn't agree more. Cranston's character and Serizawa and his assistant were the only characters I ever wanted to know more about. I wanted to know more about Cranston's background--how did he as an American come to be one of the lead scientists at a Japanese nuclear power plan, how does he feel about living in Japan, who were those other people he teamed up with when going to the quarantine zone, what are their motivations, is there some kind of huge underground network of people trying to expose the truth of what happened that day (who aren't associated with or aware of Serizawa's organization)? I'm aware he explained it was a fisherman who attached the things to the boyies which allowed him to hear the MUTO's call, but I sort of felt like he was also hinting that he was working with other scientists as well.

And Serizawa and his assistant seemed to have something going on--not romantically, but at one point she called him sensei, which suggests she looks to him as a teacher or mentor. What is their relationship, how long has she been studying with him, did she also lose somebody in the nuclear plant disaster? And about Serizawa, how did he get ahold of his father's pocket watch, did he have much to do with forming that organization that was watching the MUTO at the nuclear plant, does he have a family, does anyone else within his own organization feel the same about Godzilla's reason for existence?

Every other character who wasn't them was just absolutely grating. The main character "Ford Brody," which is a name so painfully American it makes me ashamed to be an American, is so bland and emotionless he makes Kristen Stewart look like Tim Curry. And I'm not even exaggerating--Kristen Stewart's facial contortions might be pathetic, but at least she TRIES to contort her face. This guy just straight up left all his facial muscles at home. The wife and kid are loaded down with so much cliched, foreshadowing dialog every scene they're in feels like a parody of disaster movie families. "You're going to be here in the morning, aren't you dad?" "We'll still be here, it's not like the world's going to end." Uuuuugh.

And speaking of the kids, none of the kids in the movie actually BEHAVED like kids. Every kid that has any screen time seems to be under heavy sedation, all they do is stare blankly at things. Brody's kid barely reacts to seeing him after coming back from spending 14 months overseas, barely reacts when he's separated from his mom, barely reacts when seeing the monster both on TV and in real-life, and barely reacts to being reunited with his dad. The girl in Hawaii who sees the tsunami coming does that "kid walks away from their parents because they see something none of the adults see" cliche and doesn't react any more than saying "Dad...?" in a cautious way, even as the water comes rushing in. The kid Brody saves on the monorail in Hawaii doesn't seem to be terribly bothered after being separated from his parents, nearly killed by falling out of a monorail car, and being accompanied by a stranger through an exploding and flooding city full of hurt, screaming people. The only time I can recall kids actually behaving like kids is when the bus driver on the Golden Gate bridge is having to tell the kids on the bus to quiet down so he can hear what the military officers are telling him, because at that point they aren't terrified yet, they're kind of excited and bouncing off the walls.

Then I couldn't help but go all CinemaSins on a few of the details in the story. Why were the battleships and aircraft carriers following Godzilla so CLOSELY? They could have easily been capsized if Godzilla decided to raise his head up while they were on the open sea, and then they actually WERE capsized when he rose up with them right on top of him in San Francisco Bay. What were they expecting, for Godzilla to feel a few toy-sized boats overhead and go "Oops, guess I'm stuck in the water here, these little floaty things are in my way." And how in the HELL were any of those nukes able to function after being broken-up and manhandled by the MUTOs? How the flying fuck did the dog that was tied by a leash to a palm tree in Hawaii able to break his leash and outrun the tsunami when it clearly shows on screen that the water made contact with him WHILE he was still tied to the tree? Even if the force of the water broke the leash without killing him, he would have been swept up in the water and wouldn't have been able to run ahead of the wave. And gee, it sure was smart of them to send Brody--the only guy left alive in the ENTIRE MILITARY who knows how to arm or disarm a nuke--with the nuke as it slowly trundled across the west on a freaking train car that they KNOW will be a huge target for the MUTOs. If they only needed him to arm or disarm it, then why didn't they safely fly him to the nuke's final destination and let the more expendable soldiers handle the escort?

Bob said he was left wanting to see a story that's more about Serizawa's disagreement with the military on how to handle Godzilla. Well, I was left wanting to see a story that was more about several different groups of people all working together to get their plan going. Instead of having one character that's involved with EVERY SINGLE task from start to finish, have several teams of different people doing different things which all come together to save the day. They never even have to meet or know each other on a personal level, at least not until the finale. But to me, seeing different people doing different things but all striving toward the same goal and having their efforts converge into something that's greater than any of them could have done alone is a LOT more satisfying than seeing ONE person get deus-ex-machina'd through a story which was carefully crafted to make sure they are the ONLY ONE that could EVER have done ANYTHING that needed to get done to make the mission a success.
 

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Saw Godzilla last night and I gotta say I loved the parts with Godzilla but the parts without him were just boring. It's a Godzilla film, I don't care about the human element or what their stories are. All I care about is seeing Godzilla fighting other monsters. Since there will most likely be a sequel they need to have Guillermo Del Toro direct it. So far he seems like one of the few directors that can actually pull off a really good Kaiju film.
 

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Lilani said:
ONE person get deus-ex-machina'd through a story which was carefully crafted to make sure they are the ONLY ONE that could EVER have done ANYTHING that needed to get done to make the mission a success.
In what way was the mission a success? If they pulled off some great plan that saved the day it would have made since to have lots of different groups all working together, but this was the story of one mostly useless guy floating through the disaster watching/helping the military be useless/mess stuff up, then decide to light a fire, the one useful thing he did, and go back to being useless.

Bat Vader said:
It's a Godzilla film
Thats why there is a large focus on the human characters and their silly plans, because its a Godzilla movie and thats what Godzilla movies do.
 

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Darknacht said:
Lilani said:
ONE person get deus-ex-machina'd through a story which was carefully crafted to make sure they are the ONLY ONE that could EVER have done ANYTHING that needed to get done to make the mission a success.
In what way was the mission a success? If they pulled off some great plan that saved the day it would have made since to have lots of different groups all working together, but this was the story of one mostly useless guy floating through the disaster watching/helping the military be useless/mess stuff up, then decide to light a fire, the one useful thing he did, and go back to being useless.
You know, you make a very good point, which makes his heroic rescue and return seem even sillier in hindsight. The only reason they ever had to tell him ANYTHING about Godzilla or the MUTOs after his father died was to get more information from him about his father. Otherwise, pretty much anybody else in the military could have done what he did. And there is no movie in existence that can generate enough suspension of disbelief to convince the audience he was the only person in the US military who knows how to arm and disarm a nuke.