it is a good movie and i had a good time watching it. but yes, it did have some plot holes that could have been explained better.
still can recommend watching it though.
still can recommend watching it though.
Escape to the Movies: Prometheus
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I don't get how bob starts the review suggesting that it might be a victim of overhyped expectations as it is merely a good movie without major flaws. He then spends the next four minutes talking about major flaws.
The fact that the script seems like it went through a rewrite at some point and ended up as two different half explored ideas is a significant flaw. The geologist character is a good example of this. Most of the scenes he seems to be playing hired muscle/grunt but when necessary he is all of a sudden a geologist. It seems they tried to shoe horn two different characters together into one movie. Much of the rest of the movie displays the same character of serving two different sceneplays poorly.
Charlize Theron's character is another example. Great acting but the character keeps implying something more significant that. Evers gets borne out. There seems to be a suggestion that she is going to be a "bad guy" but all she really is efficient and dismissive of others. They clearly dropped the crucial character trait that I won't spoil here.
Prometheus looks good and has some good scenes and some good acting. But the film never fails to do something dumb to force It back into an Alien remake rather than do something smart to create something original. You can go and shut your brain off and enjoy it but the more you think about it, the less you will enjoy it. Over hyped has nothing to do with it. It simply is not that great.
The fact that the script seems like it went through a rewrite at some point and ended up as two different half explored ideas is a significant flaw. The geologist character is a good example of this. Most of the scenes he seems to be playing hired muscle/grunt but when necessary he is all of a sudden a geologist. It seems they tried to shoe horn two different characters together into one movie. Much of the rest of the movie displays the same character of serving two different sceneplays poorly.
Charlize Theron's character is another example. Great acting but the character keeps implying something more significant that. Evers gets borne out. There seems to be a suggestion that she is going to be a "bad guy" but all she really is efficient and dismissive of others. They clearly dropped the crucial character trait that I won't spoil here.
Prometheus looks good and has some good scenes and some good acting. But the film never fails to do something dumb to force It back into an Alien remake rather than do something smart to create something original. You can go and shut your brain off and enjoy it but the more you think about it, the less you will enjoy it. Over hyped has nothing to do with it. It simply is not that great.
Maybe because of how terrible, stupid, and lore breaking it is.Katatori-kun said:
That's just a guess though.
Nevermind... we clearly aren't talking about the same movie here. Your movie was profound and thought invoking, mine was so bad that it only got worse the more you thought about it.Katatori-kun said:
I think I'm going to like this. And the mixed reactions it's getting don't seem to deter me at all. In all fairness, I'm not expecting something deep, and I don't expect that it's going to pretend it's smarter than it actually is (I'm looking at YOU, "The Avengers").
So, I'm keeping hopeful
So, I'm keeping hopeful
I'm very willing to bet the "awesome" scene pointed out from Ralph winds up being to only time in a very brief period where those characters will actually have a cameo.
Granted, I'm still seeing it when it comes out, but I doubt they'll do much beyond that one scene besides "HEY! THESE ARE VIDJA GAME CAMEOS!!"
Granted, I'm still seeing it when it comes out, but I doubt they'll do much beyond that one scene besides "HEY! THESE ARE VIDJA GAME CAMEOS!!"
I saw this movie yesterday. I quite enjoyed it. A lot actually. I knew it was an Alien prequel even though everyone kept/keeps denying it. If the hype is ignored (which can be difficult), it'll make the movie even better.
Only thing is that a lot of the plot points are really predictable. I bet you can guess what happens most of the time before it even comes to pass.
Only thing is that a lot of the plot points are really predictable. I bet you can guess what happens most of the time before it even comes to pass.
I was expecting some NSMB2 or NSMBU stuff at the end.
Wreck it Ralph has Bowser, Eggman and Wily, best movie ever.
Wreck it Ralph has Bowser, Eggman and Wily, best movie ever.
Oh yeah and not using the newest design of Clyde.
Shame on you Disney, shaaaaaame.
Yeah yeah, people might not know who he is if they don't go with the classic ghost look, I understand that. I'm just nitpicking since they seemed to use all the newest designs for everyone else except Clyde.
/nerd rant
Shame on you Disney, shaaaaaame.
Yeah yeah, people might not know who he is if they don't go with the classic ghost look, I understand that. I'm just nitpicking since they seemed to use all the newest designs for everyone else except Clyde.
/nerd rant
Loved this movie, no idea why. Seriously its actually bugging me that i can't figure out what it was about it. Thought Charlize Theron was a bit underused, in fact a lot of the movie seemed cut down from something larger and the overall story is pretty basic but still i just really enjoyed this. Buying the dvd, watching it everytime its on tv for the rest of time etc.
Not a big fan of Alien in the past more of a Predator guy, but someone got me the quadilogy as a present so its growing on me, Alien3 Directors Cut is surprisingly good.
But back to Prometeus, its NOT a prequel! Ok it is a prequel but when i heard prequel i thought it meant that it was on the same planet as the first Alien which its not, got a little distracting towards the end as i thought it was trying to match up with the original.
By the way, for those who have seen it, remember how old the dead body was, meaning the aliens were planning on doing what they were doing at this date, so think about what was happening at that time which could have influenced there decision. That thought should be really funny for those who can figure out what i'm talking about :lol.
Not a big fan of Alien in the past more of a Predator guy, but someone got me the quadilogy as a present so its growing on me, Alien3 Directors Cut is surprisingly good.
But back to Prometeus, its NOT a prequel! Ok it is a prequel but when i heard prequel i thought it meant that it was on the same planet as the first Alien which its not, got a little distracting towards the end as i thought it was trying to match up with the original.
By the way, for those who have seen it, remember how old the dead body was, meaning the aliens were planning on doing what they were doing at this date, so think about what was happening at that time which could have influenced there decision. That thought should be really funny for those who can figure out what i'm talking about :lol.
I'm not really a person that goes to see movies, but I really want to see this movie. I think it looks good enough and I think I would enjoy it.
I am going echo many people on this thread and agree that the movie was a large disappointment.
The story felt like fifty ideas that were never fully realized. Which makes sense with the sudden shift in story.
Characters switched between professional capability to baffling ineptitude to fit the story. The supposed archeologists had a total disregard for scientific studies. They spent the first part of the movie bumbling around like high school students. At no point did they carry tools or attempt any sort of excavation procedure. They opened doors and wondered halls without stopping to note anything of the writings or structures around them. In fact the robot had more scientific curiosity than the lot of them. We were led to believe that they had been on multiple dig sites all over the world and yet the movie showed no regard for logic.
They mapped the entire structure but the map was never viewed or discussed unless it directly related to the story. "It's a ship" Well why were you not looking at this before. Not to mention the geologist (remember the one who started the probes in the first place) suddenly gets lost and has no idea how to get out. Long before communications gets knocked out...
I certainly have more gripes about this movie but I will spare them for brevity and spoilers for later in the movie.
Overall I think the biggest issue with this movie isn't that it was over hyped but that too many people are willing to overlook poor story telling because of nostalgia, brilliant acting, and gorgeous set pieces.
If you want me to turn my brain off to enjoy this movie I am with that. But don't put in such large ideas and then treat me like an idiot.
The story felt like fifty ideas that were never fully realized. Which makes sense with the sudden shift in story.
Characters switched between professional capability to baffling ineptitude to fit the story. The supposed archeologists had a total disregard for scientific studies. They spent the first part of the movie bumbling around like high school students. At no point did they carry tools or attempt any sort of excavation procedure. They opened doors and wondered halls without stopping to note anything of the writings or structures around them. In fact the robot had more scientific curiosity than the lot of them. We were led to believe that they had been on multiple dig sites all over the world and yet the movie showed no regard for logic.
They mapped the entire structure but the map was never viewed or discussed unless it directly related to the story. "It's a ship" Well why were you not looking at this before. Not to mention the geologist (remember the one who started the probes in the first place) suddenly gets lost and has no idea how to get out. Long before communications gets knocked out...
I certainly have more gripes about this movie but I will spare them for brevity and spoilers for later in the movie.
Overall I think the biggest issue with this movie isn't that it was over hyped but that too many people are willing to overlook poor story telling because of nostalgia, brilliant acting, and gorgeous set pieces.
If you want me to turn my brain off to enjoy this movie I am with that. But don't put in such large ideas and then treat me like an idiot.
Urgh, what a silly review.
Yet again, he reviews what he wanted rather than what was given. If Bob did not know about the changes made to the film (which are allowed as Ridley is you know, making the damn film), would he have mentioned them? Of course not.
Yet again, he reviews what he wanted rather than what was given. If Bob did not know about the changes made to the film (which are allowed as Ridley is you know, making the damn film), would he have mentioned them? Of course not.
A lot of people are mad that this movie upsets the "canon", but it was meant to. Have you ever heard Ridley Scott talk about the Alien sequels? He isn't interested in any of them. And think about what we tend to get from Alien sequels:
Facehuggers, at least one exploding chest, aliens jumping out of the darkness and grabbing someone, an android, a scene about how "oh shit they're smarter than we thought", etc.
In other words, same shit over and over. AvP is bullshit, but I know I don't have to rail on that here. Even the expanded universe, which mostly takes an Aliens approach, is pretty derivative. A lot of the comics/books are okay, but they're all kind of ripping ideas off Heinlein and other better scifi writers.
What made Alien so effective was a good cast of characters that felt real, a realistically beat up and average space-tug, and an alien that no one knew shit about. Facehuggers aren't scary when you're expecting them, but when you're introduced to the concept, it's shockingly effective.
For all it's flaws at least Prometheus had the balls to make 180 turn for the franchise. No more Predators, no more action movie where thousands of aliens get mowed down. It's becoming its' own unique franchise. The way they depicted the alien birth at the end was enough to sell me on a sequel. Instead of trying to freak you out with gore and loud noises, it actually looked like the horrible, messy birth of a brand new lifeform. I like that there's a mystery to the xenomorphs' evolution again - in a Prometheus sequel none of us would have any idea what to expect.
Facehuggers, at least one exploding chest, aliens jumping out of the darkness and grabbing someone, an android, a scene about how "oh shit they're smarter than we thought", etc.
In other words, same shit over and over. AvP is bullshit, but I know I don't have to rail on that here. Even the expanded universe, which mostly takes an Aliens approach, is pretty derivative. A lot of the comics/books are okay, but they're all kind of ripping ideas off Heinlein and other better scifi writers.
What made Alien so effective was a good cast of characters that felt real, a realistically beat up and average space-tug, and an alien that no one knew shit about. Facehuggers aren't scary when you're expecting them, but when you're introduced to the concept, it's shockingly effective.
For all it's flaws at least Prometheus had the balls to make 180 turn for the franchise. No more Predators, no more action movie where thousands of aliens get mowed down. It's becoming its' own unique franchise. The way they depicted the alien birth at the end was enough to sell me on a sequel. Instead of trying to freak you out with gore and loud noises, it actually looked like the horrible, messy birth of a brand new lifeform. I like that there's a mystery to the xenomorphs' evolution again - in a Prometheus sequel none of us would have any idea what to expect.
Telling you here and now would only repeat what many people have already said within this very thread. Read pages 1-3 and you'll come across a number of people who actively describe all the reasons this movie was terrible.Katatori-kun said:See, this doesn't help make it any clearer. I keep hearing angry folks on the Internet harping that it sucks or is stupid or whatever, but never explaining why they think so in concise, concrete terms. I don't want to speak for people and invent my own reason for why the nerds are restless () but given the way the criticism of the movie is being expressed, it's hard not to.
Events in this movie contradict the setting in the alien. That lore.FargoDog said:
And it makes me cringe when I hear people describe this utterly retarded movie as "smart".
It's been pointed out to me that this planet isn't apparently the same planet as the one in Alien, so I digress, it's not nearly as lore breaking as I thought.Katatori-kun said:
That being said, those two guys you've dismissed, break down every little idiotic event that makes this movie bad. Watching them is kind of annoying, but I agree with what they are saying, if not how.
It's a series of stupid events leading to even more stupid events. The events in this entire movie could have been avoided if even one person exercised any precautions. I whispered to my wife "These are the worst scientists ever" no less than three times.
Am I really alone in feeling like there was alot more planned for Fassbender and Theron in the film's conclusion?
I keep thinking about that T.E. Laurence reference early on, Charlize's introduction as a badass female, and that fancy surgical booth (and the associated surgical scene).
And the conclusion I keep reaching is that at one point Fassbender was going to wind up watching her "birth" the first alien whilst quoting Laurence of Arabia.
I keep thinking about that T.E. Laurence reference early on, Charlize's introduction as a badass female, and that fancy surgical booth (and the associated surgical scene).
And the conclusion I keep reaching is that at one point Fassbender was going to wind up watching her "birth" the first alien whilst quoting Laurence of Arabia.