Remind us: who said that in which scene?Spud of Doom said:
Edit: Whoops, never mind. The Deadpool already answered that one.
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Edit: Whoops, never mind. The Deadpool already answered that one.
Also, somebody pointed out to me that while this didn't have a villain like Joker, it was also a rare case of a Batman story where Batman was the most interesting thing! There was a ton going on with him through the whole movie, so it was fine that Bane wasn't as iconic as Joker.Aiddon said:
Sorry if I'm ninjad. Upon reflection and belief, Bruce Wayne, broken and older, uses and exo-skeleton just to move around in his Batcave. Superman comes and tells him Batman is needed to fight of Captain Marvel (Lex Luthor drove him mad and deadly) and a bunch of other super villains. Bruce is like, "1, is that my responsibility? I warned you about fascism, and 2,I AM HUMAN, what do you expect me to do against Captain Marvel!?!?" Superman is pissed that Bruce will not, apparently, help out and takes off, leaving Bruce talking to himself, to which he mutters that line.Don Reba said:
IMHO: That has nothing to do with why the line is in the movie when Catwoman disappears. It's just sauce for the goose.
Heh, I think this is just a spoof of that scene:
In Kingdom Come Batman is talking to Superman while turned away, when he turns back Superman is already gone. Having silently rushed off and disapeared halfway through the conversation. The joke is that is Batman's traditional exit, and it is the first time anyone has done it to him.Don Reba said:
In the movie Anne Hathaway mimicks this exit prompting the line.
And Nolan fully challenged us in TDK. He kept us on our toes. Both classic batfans and the regular movie going public. We did not know what was going to happen next. It was a great story. It was a great Batman story. It was something we had never seen before.jaketaz said:
TDKR's not so much. It's a good story. It's a fun summer movie. It isn't awful. It isn't Batman and Robin. But it does have it's flaws that prevent it from hitting the level of it's predecessor. The overall story is highly derivative of some of the prior comics works(granted it is a comic book movie), There are times where a few of the established and classic characters feel a bit off. (sorry guys but the whole Bruce Wayne in the foreign prison pit sequence was just horrible. It alone is what ads to so much of the negative vibes and is what kills the films pacing midway).
Go see it. It's well worth the price of admission. But accept that no it isn't the greatest thing ever made. It isn't high art or some vast new re-imagining of the mythos. In fact by the end one almost gets the feeling that the whole thing ended up somewhat constrained and hamstrung by that original re-imagining back in BB. Little changes that seemed trivial start to pile up to where you are starting to look for a payoff that can't possibly be there. people seem to want this to be some sort of great work of cinematic high art. TDK mainly was. This one is a great slightly more intelligent summer popcorn flick.
Overall I enjoyed the film. It was far better than so many movies that I've seen recently.
That said it didn't live up to BB or TDK and there's a lot in the review that I agree with.
BB and TDK were such powerful films. TDKR not only doesn't match them for big moments it actually diminishes the choices and sacrifices made in the previous films. I don't think it was a bad film, but I do think that it was the worst film in the series.
Throughout the films there has been this idea that Gotham is full of selfish corrupt people. After BB corrupt cops were running scared and there was hope in the streets. In TDK although the Joker wins by bring down Dent, it's shown on the boats that the people of Gotham aren't bad when neither boat will destroy the other to save themselves. There was a pattern of improvement, that Batman was making progress saving the people of Gotham.
Now in the TDKR, Gotham is back to being full of only selfish and corrupt people?
I know that there's been peace for eight years but surely that makes people better not worse. In the previous two films there was this idea that there were good people, or that people could make good choices. In this one there was nothing. Only the main cast did anything good, not the people of Gotham. Which served to make the sacrifices Batman made in the previous films irrelevant. It also feels weak that with one bomb these new villains were able to create the sort of chaos that the Joker failed to.
I don't actually hate the idea that he came back twice. Though I agree that it did make the first part of the movie slow. The injured limp thing felt unnecessary but I guess in keeping with the theme of pain?
As to why he wasn't ready to come back the first time, that felt a little forced. There was a lot of emphasis on his motivation. He actually had excellent motivation. Gotham was in trouble, Wayne Enterprises was falling apart and could no longer do the good work it had been doing. He was accused of wanting to die by Alfred then of being scared of death in the prison.
In addition to being scared of death the prison characters also say that he couldn't climb out of the prison because he had a privileged upbringing. Which was already dealt with in BB. He ran away with nothing before becoming batman. Sure he had it easier than the kid born in the prison but its not like he's ignorant of what it's like to be poor or a criminal. If the reference back to BB had been more significant then it might have made sense learning to be batman again but the only flashback was the Dad asking "Why do we fall?".
The "death/sacrifice" thing just seemed unnecessarily cruel. That means that he just let all the people that loved him think he was dead. Wouldn't be so bad if they all just saw him fly off in the plane which at least fox knew didn't have an autopilot. But he specifically said "There's no autopilot". Dick move Batman. Seriously what's the point of explicitly telling everyone your going to die then explicitly giving them signs to show that your alive?
Also more plot holes then you can poke a stick at. Good movie, disappointing end to the trilogy.
That said it didn't live up to BB or TDK and there's a lot in the review that I agree with.
BB and TDK were such powerful films. TDKR not only doesn't match them for big moments it actually diminishes the choices and sacrifices made in the previous films. I don't think it was a bad film, but I do think that it was the worst film in the series.
Throughout the films there has been this idea that Gotham is full of selfish corrupt people. After BB corrupt cops were running scared and there was hope in the streets. In TDK although the Joker wins by bring down Dent, it's shown on the boats that the people of Gotham aren't bad when neither boat will destroy the other to save themselves. There was a pattern of improvement, that Batman was making progress saving the people of Gotham.
Now in the TDKR, Gotham is back to being full of only selfish and corrupt people?
I know that there's been peace for eight years but surely that makes people better not worse. In the previous two films there was this idea that there were good people, or that people could make good choices. In this one there was nothing. Only the main cast did anything good, not the people of Gotham. Which served to make the sacrifices Batman made in the previous films irrelevant. It also feels weak that with one bomb these new villains were able to create the sort of chaos that the Joker failed to.
I don't actually hate the idea that he came back twice. Though I agree that it did make the first part of the movie slow. The injured limp thing felt unnecessary but I guess in keeping with the theme of pain?
As to why he wasn't ready to come back the first time, that felt a little forced. There was a lot of emphasis on his motivation. He actually had excellent motivation. Gotham was in trouble, Wayne Enterprises was falling apart and could no longer do the good work it had been doing. He was accused of wanting to die by Alfred then of being scared of death in the prison.
In addition to being scared of death the prison characters also say that he couldn't climb out of the prison because he had a privileged upbringing. Which was already dealt with in BB. He ran away with nothing before becoming batman. Sure he had it easier than the kid born in the prison but its not like he's ignorant of what it's like to be poor or a criminal. If the reference back to BB had been more significant then it might have made sense learning to be batman again but the only flashback was the Dad asking "Why do we fall?".
The "death/sacrifice" thing just seemed unnecessarily cruel. That means that he just let all the people that loved him think he was dead. Wouldn't be so bad if they all just saw him fly off in the plane which at least fox knew didn't have an autopilot. But he specifically said "There's no autopilot". Dick move Batman. Seriously what's the point of explicitly telling everyone your going to die then explicitly giving them signs to show that your alive?
Also more plot holes then you can poke a stick at. Good movie, disappointing end to the trilogy.
Do want Movie Bob in depth analysis of all 3 movies as a trilogy.
Full of spoilers and every minute detail scrutinized.
I just watched Begins and TDK back to back and I'm going to see Rises (for the second time) in a couple of hours.
I want to see how all 3 feel as one continuous story.
Full of spoilers and every minute detail scrutinized.
I just watched Begins and TDK back to back and I'm going to see Rises (for the second time) in a couple of hours.
I want to see how all 3 feel as one continuous story.
I totally agree with you. He's a hack compared to the guys over at redlettermedia. I have stopped watching him since his Captain America review, where it was obvious that his love for the source material really puts some thick rose-tinted glasses in front of his face. I also can't stand the amount of people who respond .2 seconds after this video is posted saying "called it" and "won't see it now". Really, you should do yourselves a favor and see it in the theaters while you can. He's a hack, with hack opinions.Jaeke said:
The way is safe? In that case, I'd like to follow up my previous statement by saying WOW. MovieBob, I love you, and I don't want to sound like a fanboy but The Avengers better than Dark Knight Rises? No.Don Reba said:Avengers was anything but the best movie of the summer.Tono Makt said:
PS: no troll-calling followed. The way is safe.
Maybe it's a comic book thing, I don't know, I don't read comics and maybe that disqualifies me (it shouldn't) but The Avengers was a rubbish movie, it was just another dumb blockbuster that favours "zingers" and "quips" over realistic dialogue, an ending that looked like Transformers and endless shots that seemed to scream LOOK HOW COOL THIS IS at the audience (the bit where it pans round the group?). It was like watching someone masturbate.
I know that sounds harsh, and the truth is it didn't offend me like, say, Transformers did, but I'm sick of it getting all this undeserved praise! It was a big, stupid mess of a movie without meaningful relationships, without suspense, without humanity. The Hulk and Thor were OK, the rest either eye clawingly annoying (Iron Man) or may as well not exist (the women in the sexy clothes, The bow and arrow dude).
I had misgivings about the idea of The Avengers before I saw the movie, but gave it a go based on all the love it's getting. It's just another toy commercial with a bunch of ironic, self aware dudes quiping and beating each other up (?!) with a woman who basically represents boobs. I don't see why this is getting an easy ride and crap like Battleship doesn't.
Like I said, I love you MovieBob, but your love of super heroes and comics overrides your usually top notch analysis of films!
Just seen this, liked it. Can't say i thought much of Batman Begins but the second one was good, this not as good but still quite decent.
I think its interesting that they went back to the very origin of Batman, namely the Scarlet Pimpernel. In that book the Pimpernel rescues the rich people from the wrath of the french revolution where they're being executing without trial.
I think its interesting that they went back to the very origin of Batman, namely the Scarlet Pimpernel. In that book the Pimpernel rescues the rich people from the wrath of the french revolution where they're being executing without trial.
After seeing the movie and having time to think about how the second coming of Bruce Wayne/Batman in the middle of the movie could be more justified or at least more tolerable.
I believe that if the movie began with Bruce Wayne having been defeated by Bane, put into the prison, and then recapping on the events that lead up to Bruce's situation (i.e. where the movie originally began), it would make a little more sense so it doesn't feel like Bruce starting over again.
People will believe at first that Bane must have taken advantage of Bruce while he was retired and later find out to not be the case and actually break his back as an homage to the comics.
I believe that if the movie began with Bruce Wayne having been defeated by Bane, put into the prison, and then recapping on the events that lead up to Bruce's situation (i.e. where the movie originally began), it would make a little more sense so it doesn't feel like Bruce starting over again.
People will believe at first that Bane must have taken advantage of Bruce while he was retired and later find out to not be the case and actually break his back as an homage to the comics.