So... Eric Sachs... Is there something funny about this other than it sounds like "Eric sucks"?
Maybe its a mythlogical factor...
Maybe its a mythlogical factor...
Yeah... as seemingly the resident Native American on the Escapist I can say that I really don;t give a damn about Johnny Depp playing Tanto, I mean I haven't seen the movie... but at face value I really couldn't care less... and honestly I like Johnny Depp, Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas was great...<.<Seldon2639 said:So, let me make sure I understand this:
Actual Native American Tribes on Johnny Depp playing Tanto: "kinda weird, but we'll induct him into our tribes and be happy that Native Americans are getting a positive character in a movie, rather than caring who was cast; so congratulations to the newest Comanche."
Movie Bob: "It is wrong on so many levels for Johnny Depp to be playing Tanto."
When the actual Native Americans have less objection than you do, perhaps your position is less reasonable than you think.
Actually its not. Its based on a historically inaccurate (though still pretty damn good) painting of a native american warrior with a crow in the background that looks kind of like a hat. Source: http://filmdrunk.uproxx.com/2012/04/johnny-depp-explains-his-bird-hat Additionally I think Bob was making the point that dressing someone up in what essentially amounts to a racist caricature for laughs isn't appropriate in this day and age.SonOfVoorhees said:Really Bob? Stupid hat? You start by berating Depp for playing Tonto as he is a white guy and then go on to insult the crow hat thing even though thats authentic native american head gear. Its why Depp wore that, because the indians did, he took that from seeing old photos of actual native americans. Granted, im guessing it was probably more for ceremonies and not on a day to day basis, but still its authentic.
But the thing is, the character is completely insane due to the murder of his entire village. The rest of the natives in the film (with their short appearance) do actually seem to be fairly accurate. Hell, as the movie was coming out I wondered what would have been more racist: The fact that Johnny Depp was playing a native or if an actual native were to play his part. On one hand, we have a white person portraying another race, but on the other we have someone of the actual race being played for laughs about stereotypes. Honestly, I'd take the whole casting as light commentary on white people that claim to be part native: They get the culture wrong.Winthrop said:Actually its not. Its based on a historically inaccurate (though still pretty damn good) painting of a native american warrior with a crow in the background that looks kind of like a hat. Source: http://filmdrunk.uproxx.com/2012/04/johnny-depp-explains-his-bird-hat Additionally I think Bob was making the point that dressing someone up in what essentially amounts to a racist caricature for laughs isn't appropriate in this day and age.SonOfVoorhees said:Really Bob? Stupid hat? You start by berating Depp for playing Tonto as he is a white guy and then go on to insult the crow hat thing even though thats authentic native american head gear. Its why Depp wore that, because the indians did, he took that from seeing old photos of actual native americans. Granted, im guessing it was probably more for ceremonies and not on a day to day basis, but still its authentic.
There have been other groups who don't like it, and I felt I should state so, not every natvie american groups is okay with the destitution, some have and that very nice of them, shows a lot acceptance. Cherry picking refers to picking results or reactions and ignoring others to get across a point which is what Seldon2639 was doing, it might a bit of a hash use of the term as the largest groups are cool with depp as tonto but it is an example of it.Pyrian said:I don't think the Comanche take on Johnny Depp playing a Comanche qualifies as cherry-picking.wolf thing said:That's cherry picking, there have been many Native American Groups speaking out against the casting of Johnny Depp.Seldon2639 said:Actual Native American Tribes on Johnny Depp playing Tanto: "kinda weird, but we'll induct him into our tribes and be happy that Native Americans are getting a positive character in a movie, rather than caring who was cast; so congratulations to the newest Comanche."
I didn't had a problem with jonny depp playing an native american. Then again i am really not into western movies, so i didn't even knew that "The lone Ranger" existed before this movie.Jetsetneo said:The long story short is; because there are not nearly as many roles for minorities to play, and when they SHOULD get them they get handed out to, not only the 'wrong' minority, but often a Caucasian ('the majority').
Tonto is a role steeped in Native American Culture, its intrinsic to the character, you can't divorce it. So it seems very wrong to give it to a non-native American.
Now, I can't name a Native American star who puts that part of themselves up front, but i don't know if thats yet ANOTHER problem with hollywood or what.
I don't like it either way, but its the sad truth of what is happening. Besides, Johnny Depp wasn't right for this role for many other reasons than 'hes a white guy'.
I wouldn't call it dark, it was more down to earth. Like it really was taking place. And the movie was cheaply made that gave it that lived in feel of over the shoulder VHS recording machines. Which is what made it great. It gave you the sense that mutant turtles could be living the sewers. Definitely better than even the cartoon, and not as dark as the comics.Amir Kondori said:The only good Turtles movie was the first one. It was dark, the turtles were wise cracking teens, it felt just like the show did but with a little bit of an edge. The second one was an abomination.