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punipunipyo

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wow... Really? can't have hang man? I can't wait till someone makes a "Night" (holocaust book, in the book, there is a part where a 10 years old boy gets hanged by Nazi) game(possibly plays like heavy rain, more drama, less action...), and had to change title...
 

TerribleAssassin

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Jezzascmezza said:
Zac Smith said:
Dead Space has a cut off arm floating in space. People didn't seem to complain then
Same with the Left 4 Dead 1 and 2 game covers, they're pretty graphic as well, but didn't cause a fuss.
Left 4 Dead 2's did, as stated in the article...

I can see why it would be banned, but it's not massively offensive, not that it needed to be banned.
 

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Dastardly said:
Adzma said:
For the land of the free, you guys sure do have some odd fine print when it comes to these things.
Just means folks are free to choose whether or not their kids see a man hanging from a tree. If it's in the game, there's a choice. If it's on the box, at eye level in a game store frequented by children, there isn't.

Also, because this is a pretty damn free country, folks have free choice over where they buy their games. A retailer may decide that having a hanging man on a box on the shelf may drive away customers... so instead, they choose not to sell the game at all. Well, to combat that, the company makes a slight alteration to the box art. Sounds like a lot of people exercising perfectly reasonable freedoms, there. No one was forced to do anything (note that the ESRB asked for the change).
This basically sums up my oopinion on the matter. Also, I don't get why ANYBODY cares about artistic expression on box art. Its just the package the game comes in. 99.9% of your time with a game doesn't feature box art at all.

One final point, speaking as a person who has had a family member commit suicide by hanging, tiny little reminders like that, while they may seem harmless, cause me actual emotional distress. I know the main controversy here is potential racism, but walking into a store and seeing a person hung on a video game box would very likely piss me off.
 

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EvolutionKills said:
Witty Name Here said:
Zac Smith said:
Dead Space has a cut off arm floating in space. People didn't seem to complain then
Or even better, the indigo prophecy box art. That shows a man holding a knife while it appears that he cut himself with words like "Guilt" or "Fear" written in blood behind him.



That seems more graphic then a silhouette of a zombie that's hung itself.

Are you American? Are you familiar with American history? Check out the Civil Rights movement of the 50's and 60's. When black people were chased down, beaten, had dogs sicked on them for wanting the rights they're entitled to under the Constitution. And the worst of all was the flagrant and outright murder of black people in the southern states, often with the consent or help of the local law enforcement. And the most iconic of these killing were the LYNCHINGS. Don't know what that means?

"Lynching is an extrajudicial execution carried out by a mob, often by hanging, but also by burning at the stake or shooting, in order to punish an alleged transgressor, or to intimidate, control, or otherwise manipulate a population of people, however large or small."

Do you understand now why the silhouette of a HANGED MAN might just be incredibly offensive to a good chunk of the American population, and could easily be taken out of context and turned into a media shit storm by people with a misguided agenda?
And yet we have our kids play a game where if they can't guess and spell out a word in a set number of tries, BANG!, there's a hanged stickman. Maybe not a graphic as it's only a bunch of lines but still, it's always seemed like a double standard or something to me.
 

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xXxJessicaxXx said:
Why is no one asking the real question? How did a zombie hang itself?
Well, I'm just assuming that it stepped into some sort of trap, being the slow dim-witted creatures zombies are. :p

OT: I get why people would think its offensive and I agree that the ESRB is just preventing a shitstorm. But what I don't like is that it would even cause a shitstorm in the first place. People need to let shit go and move on with their lives. I dunno how it is across the pond but it seems we Americans have a really hard time letting go of the past and we let it drive our futures far too much.
 

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Oh god! Think of the children! When will they think when the grow up in a world of sunshine, lollipops and rainbows everywhere only to be drenched in blood in their first mature rated game.
 

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The new box art makes more sense. It doesn't seem likely that you could hang someone from a palm tree. Especially when you consider palm trees don't have branches. Those are leaves it's hanging from.
 

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Adzma said:
For the land of the free, you guys sure do have some odd fine print when it comes to these things.
America is one giant Grey area! There is nothing free and there is always too many people poking their noses where it does not belong.

What about billboards, cd's, Churches, fastfood joints, they all push their ideas and messages across and without little fuss. Games are targeted more due to the fact of school shootings and violence in general.

The person in the tree is red and makes me think of a Native American before I think of an African American... just saying.
 

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Well, I suppose it's fair enough.
Anything that gains an age rating IN the game can't really be used in an advertising environment full of 9 year olds.

But in this case, it does seem silly, not the most graphic design to be honest.
 

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As I said in the other thread:

THE ESRB HAS 0 LEGAL POWER OVER GAMES!

What "guidelines" are they talking about? I have NEVER once heard of them, has anybody else? No?

I want to see the damned microscopic particles of these mythical "industry guidelines"
 

Irony's Acolyte

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Eh, I'm not too upset by this request. It does make sense that the game would be seen by alot more people then those who play it and wouldn't sit well with some of them. Plus, it's just the box-art, they aren't changing the game itself, so it's really not that big of a deal.
 

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As much as the ESRB makes me roll my eyes most of the time, this time I think what they're doing is reasonable. They're just changing the box art, the original logo will still be in the game once you take it home and turn it on.
 

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Ok, I think this is blown a little out of proportion.

They are changing nothing about the game, just the box art. To be fair, as mentioned in the article, the box is seen by people of all ages whether they buy the game or not.

Seeing a hanging body could be upsetting for any number of reasons (cultural implications, suicide of a loved one, etc).

A small change to the box art, and players of the game still get everything they were expecting in the game itself (including the original logo), but people who don't want to see that kind of thing (or young children) aren't hit with it when they're browsing games.
 

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BENZOOKA said:
...gone mad. Sigh.

Let's deal with this outrageous disgusting profanity next:
http://www.featurepics.com/FI/Thumb300/20100405/Hangman-Help-1503719.jpg

I mean, someone might get seriously offended, even internally injured.
[http://img146.imageshack.us/i/hangmanhelp1503719.jpg/]

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Also yes, I registered just to post that.
 

Stevepinto3

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It's true, a man hanging from a tree would be very offensive and disturbing. The silhouette of a reanimated corpse feasting on the flesh of the living is much more wholesome.

Sorry, just had to say it.
 

Palwador

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I wonder what kind of people that is censoring these things. In my eyes these things like the hanging body, and missing fingers are not offending anyone.

I think they just do it to annoy. it feels that way, atleast...