EU Bans Claim Water Prevents Dehydration

[Treblaine]

I'm struggling to see how the EU possibly has a case here.

All the other times it was things like only certain bananas had a curviness standard, not your regular bog-standard simply labelled "bananas" type of banana.

But things like saying:

"It declared that shortage of water in the body was just a symptom of dehydration."

That's rather explicit, that seems far too bold faced a lie and if they really did say that that is outrageous to say the cause is a symptom. Symptoms are things like blurred vision, reduced mental clarity, change in urine colour, you know, indications of what is actually happening!

Drinking water doesn't help ease dehydration as much as you would think. You need salt along with the water. Plain water by itself could make things even worse for you.

I need to know the whole story on this one.

Except dehydration is separate from low blood-salinity, Hyponatremia. They may appear similar but they are distinct.

Dehydration IS a lack of water, introducing water DOES counter that. HYDRATION. You have to drink and sweat crazy amounts before hypoatremia becomes a problem.

In only 13% of top athletes who run triathlons experience technical Hypoatremia and they are consuming VAST amounts of water in hot climates, over long distances and have a very targeted glucose-intense diet that tends to cut out salt because... well... salt is bad for you, right?

Also Hyponatremia is very unlikely in the public considering how salty our diets our anyway, you can't get away from the high levels of salt in all our foods and the main mode of loss of sodium (the important part of salt) is when water is lost through sweating. How often do you sweat enough to soak your clothes all the way through?

Actually, hyponatremia is a result of correcting volume depletion with water. Volume depletion is a result of losing isotonic fluid. Dehydration is a result of losing hypotonic fluid. Water is about as hypotonic a fluid as there is, so water most definitely corrects dehydration.

Hyponatremia generally only occurs in amateur athletes who don't really have any business attempting the task at hand. Heat conditioning generally results in the secretion of a more dilute sweat which can easily be replaced with water.

So yet again, dumbasses spoil it for everyone.

Hmm, I never heard of "heat conditioning" reducing sodium loss through sweating. Got anything to back that up? Sure it isn't just the athletes subtly adjust their diet for higher sodium? Remember, it's sodium that is important, not the chloride part of salt/sodium-chloride.

Sources would be nice (can't be that hard to collect sweat of different athletes and compare sodium levels)

 

[rednightmare]

haha just kidding. I'm an American so this doesn't apply to me. Excuse me while I eat some pizza to get my daily dose of awesome viatamins.

But I do live in Europe. Now I am going to hide in a corner, feeling shame as a minor action

 

[seraphy]

Snip...

You read that story right?

This is direct quote from it.

The decision - after three years of discussions - results from an attempt by two German academics to test EU advertising rules which set down when companies can claim their products reduce the risk of disease.

So EU didn't bring it here.

Those two academics were on purpose trying to obfuscate rules, or just making EU look bad for forcing them to rule on something like this. But obviously EU can't allow something like this to happen.

 

[Treblaine]

haha just kidding. I'm an American so this doesn't apply to me. Excuse me while I eat some pizza to get my daily dose of awesome viatamins.

But I do live in Europe now I am going to hide in a corner, feeling shame as a minor action

Maybe "Don't want to live on this continent any more?" Meme variant?

 

[lacktheknack]

Dehydration could do with water retention which drinking more water would not fix. This makes sense.

It sounds stupid but if you are dehydrated due to certain medical conditions drinking water will not help.

Edit:

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Uhm, did you want to say something to me?

 

[BabyRaptor]

I like how it wasn't my country being stupid this time.

Wait, what?

Water doesn't help you stay hydrated.

Water.

I...My brain. It no longer works.

One good thing about living in the USA Babe, you build-up a sort of immunity for this kind of Bullshit.

I do live in the US, actually. I guess my numbness has worn off some after shutting out the news for awhile.

 

[Hawk eye1466]

Well at least the american government isn't the only one making increadibly bad decisions

 

[Wintermoot]

this is to prevent companies from claiming that their wine cures cancer and stuff unlike the US people have common sense and don,t sue the microwave company after microwaving the family dog.
PS
but yeah I agree the EU is falling apart a few months ago they passed a law that prohibited 5yo,s from using balloons due to chocking hazard.

No idea what was lost in translation there but they set out to ban the horseshit advertising "our water has extra hydration, stay hydrated for longer with our super duper extra cool new water, ..." and all the ignorant monkeys nodded: "you know I did feel the extra hydration in that"

You effin stupid *#$%&@#*!!! It's all fucking tap water you gullible monkeys.

yeah pretty much this.

 

[Smooth Operator]

No idea what was lost in translation there but they set out to ban the horseshit advertising "our water has extra hydration, stay hydrated for longer with our super duper extra cool new water, ..." and all the ignorant monkeys nodded: "you know I did feel the extra hydration in that"

You effin stupid *#$%&@#*!!! It's all fucking tap water you gullible monkeys.

 

[Treblaine]

Snip...

You read that story right?

This is direct quote from it.

The decision - after three years of discussions - results from an attempt by two German academics to test EU advertising rules which set down when companies can claim their products reduce the risk of disease.

So EU didn't bring it here.

Those two academics were on purpose trying to obfuscate rules, or just making EU look bad for forcing them to rule on something like this. But obviously EU can't allow something like this to happen.

No, the rules have always been there - poorly worded as they are - they simply asked them to clarify what would and would not be legal, rather than go out and say it risking massive fines or even prison sentences. EU brought about the obfuscation and these academics demanded clarification. EU made themselves look bad.

"But obviously EU can't allow something like this to happen."

Yes, can't possibly have someone state the scientific fact that consuming water helps counter dehydration.

They had all sorts of silly reasons like "well that would mean that beer is hydrating" when IT IS! Sorry if they don't like that fact that there might be some slim benefit of consuming and alcoholic beverage, even when they are informed of the associated health risks. That is no reason to suppress scientific facts.

 

[Wintermoot]

I like how it wasn't my country being stupid this time.

Wait, what?

Water doesn't help you stay hydrated.

Water.

I...My brain. It no longer works.

One good thing about living in the USA Babe, you build-up a sort of immunity for this kind of Bullshit.

Europe isn't a country it,s a coalition of mostly western European countries and a few eastern ones.

 

[Treblaine]

this is to prevent companies from claiming that their wine cures cancer and stuff unlike the US people have common sense and don,t sue the microwave company after microwaving the family dog.
PS
but yeah I agree the EU is falling apart a few months ago they passed a law that prohibited 5yo,s from using balloons due to chocking hazard.

Except wine Does NOT cure cancer.

And water DOES help counter dehydration!

 

[seraphy]

No, the rules have always been there - poorly worded as they are - they simply asked them to clarify what would and would not be legal, rather than go out and say it risking massive fines or even prison sentences. EU brought about the obfuscation and these academics demanded clarification. EU made themselves look bad.

"But obviously EU can't allow something like this to happen."

Yes, can't possibly have someone state the scientific fact that consuming water helps counter dehydration.

They had all sorts of silly reasons like "well that would mean that beer is hydrating" when IT IS! Sorry if they don't like that fact that there might be some slim benefit of consuming and alcoholic beverage, even when they are informed of the associated health risks. That is no reason to suppress scientific facts.

Ahh and now you are doing same thing as these people. There are always loopholes in rules if you dig deep enough.

Would it be against these rules to put words say "stay hydrated" in water bottle? I think not.

It's different thing altogether to claim that there is some huge medicinal benefit in your bottled water. Certainly you or anyone else should understand that these rules were not made for cases like this.

I'll just say that we must agree to disagree here.

 

[Treblaine]

No idea what was lost in translation there but they set out to ban the horseshit advertising "our water has extra hydration, stay hydrated for longer with our super duper extra cool new water, ..." and all the ignorant monkeys nodded: "you know I did feel the extra hydration in that"

You effin stupid *#$%&@#*!!! It's all fucking tap water you gullible monkeys.

Yeah, I'm gonna need a god damn source on that.

Because it's been stated over an over again stated they are simply asking that any water simply state the scientific fact that it is hydrating. This isn't just for bottled water, they can't even say this about tap water! Any water!

The requested claim is not that it hydrates more than regular water, simply the fact that it does! This is a spurious and facetious straw man argument you are making!

PS: people drink bottled water because they are fed up of the chemical taste of tap-water. Mine is so saturated with carbonites my kettle is caked in limescale after a year. Though frankly I drink cola, not bottled water.

 

[Glademaster_v1legacy]

What a fucking waste of money. In a world recession they spend money researching something just to tell us that basically sports drinks stop dehydration more than pure water something people should know anyway.

 

[Treblaine]

No, the rules have always been there - poorly worded as they are - they simply asked them to clarify what would and would not be legal, rather than go out and say it risking massive fines or even prison sentences. EU brought about the obfuscation and these academics demanded clarification. EU made themselves look bad.

"But obviously EU can't allow something like this to happen."

Yes, can't possibly have someone state the scientific fact that consuming water helps counter dehydration.

They had all sorts of silly reasons like "well that would mean that beer is hydrating" when IT IS! Sorry if they don't like that fact that there might be some slim benefit of consuming and alcoholic beverage, even when they are informed of the associated health risks. That is no reason to suppress scientific facts.

Ahh and now you are doing same thing as these people. There are always loopholes in rules if you dig deep enough.

Would it be against these rules to put words say "stay hydrated" in water bottle? I think not.

It's different thing altogether to claim that there is some huge medicinal benefit in your bottled water. Certainly you or anyone else should understand that these rules were not made for cases like this.

I'll just say that we must agree to disagree here.

It's not a medicinal benefit to be nutritious.
Lack of any nutrient can be a disease, that doesn't suddenly turn said nutrient into a medicine. Requiring all medicinal standards.

It's not a huge medical benefit to that water replenishes the human need for water! And what is this straw man of bottled water, this agreement is on ALL WATER. Everywhere, you can't claim that any water has any affect on dehydration. As if dehydration defined as a disease makes it a sacred cow only for the medical establishment to have any stake on. Are you saying that there should be MEDICINAL WATER on hand for in case of dehydration?

"I'll just say that we must agree to disagree here."

I always hate it when people say that, as if disagreement is the only option other than for example seriously considering my side of the argument, this just acts like your are ignoring it as "disagreement"

 

[Radelaide]

Next up: EU bans claims air prevents suffocation.

 

[Char-Nobyl]

I suppose they heard about the US declaring pizza to be a vegetable and didn't want to be outdone. So instead of just a pointless recategorization, they went for one that was outright insane.

 

[seraphy]

It's not a medicinal benefit to be nutritious.
Lack of any nutrient can be a disease, that doesn't suddenly turn said nutrient into a medicine. Requiring all medicinal standards.

It's not a huge medical benefit to that water replenishes the human need for water! And what is this straw man of bottled water, this agreement is on ALL WATER. Everywhere, you can't claim that any water has any affect on dehydration. As if dehydration defined as a disease makes it a sacred cow only for the medical establishment to have any stake on. Are you saying that there should be MEDICINAL WATER on hand for in case of dehydration?

"I'll just say that we must agree to disagree here."

I always hate it when people say that, as if disagreement is the only option other than for example seriously considering my side of the argument, this just acts like your are ignoring it as "disagreement"

You don't seem to get (to me at least) why EU ruled here as it did. They can't and should not allow water to be labelled as medicine. Not for advertising nor for any other purpose. What good would it do for average person exactly? Hmm.

Only people who would anyway benefit from this would be companies who sell bottled water and could claim for their products to have medicinal benefits. It would not necessarily be false advertising, true. But it would not be entirely honest either and certainly not in the best interest of anyone else but these companies. You want word medicine to mean absolutely nothing?

I don't see you doing anything else but ignoring my side of the argument here either. This is not about water per se, this is about whether water can be labelled as a medicine. Which it should not be.

 

[efAston]

You know the title of the thread says the opposite of what actually happened. "...claims that..." would have made a lot more sense.

On the topic, it is true that rehydration requires salts (AKA electrolytes), but I don't think that sodium deficiency (which is the term used in sports, as far as I've come across it) and dehydration are really the same thing. In actual fact, the most accurate way to describe it would probably be that sodium deficiency and overheating result from dehydration, and that dehydration is the initial lack of water. I think it's a bit silly to try to make it sound like Europe is in turmoil over it, it's just dense and bureaucratic. I can't think of any large organisation which can come up with rapid and apparently sensible verdicts on everything, so I don't like reading articles where all the criticism is coming from outside the organisation, and nobody's suggested an actual source of the problem.