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Izanagi009 said:
hentropy said:
Personally I'm just tired of Evangelion as a topic of discussion. I mean, the jokes write themself. Harem-mecha anime with the main character being the whiniest whiner in whine town, and he's whining about driving giant robots and saving the world. It was deep and unique back in 1995, there have been dozens of anime now that have done it better.
I guess people still want to talk about it because it was a major moment for a lot of anime fans (me included) to see a show that had the sort of, in my opinion, nihilism, hatred towards humanity (especially the otaku Anno hated), and brutality inflicted on the characters both mentally and physically. Other shows may have done it better, Psycho Pass did the nihilism of society thing to a good extent and some of the gundam shows after Eva did the character perspective and trauma better, but Evangelion was the show that kicked off this wave of dark and spiteful anime and people will always talk about the big game changer.
I watched Lain and GitS before I watched NGE, and by that time NGE looked relatively simple, almost looking like a pale imitation of what the others were trying to pull off, despite it coming before either of the anime series (although GitS was a manga at the time).
 

Eppy (Bored)

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...I shouldn't be surprised that those love pillows exist. That said:

*horror*

My childhood. Why.
 

Izanagi009_v1legacy

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Gordon_4 said:
I wish they'd sold those doritos in Australia :(

Mind you, its an interesting thought; can something be both deep and meaningful AND a commercial franchise at the same time? Rei, Asuka and the Evangelions are anime icons now, and it would be remiss of any company not to cash in that; especially since Evangelion merchandise is popularly responsible for basically resurrecting Studio Gainax. I myself contributed by buying (at vastly inflated prices), Evangelion action figures.

In this case I don't think the rampant commercialism undermines any of Evangelion's messages, whatever you think of them, but now I have this funny idea that perhaps in the show, part of Nerv's operational budget was from this merchandise and the thought of Shinji shilling a happy meal is just comedy gold.

Well played, Grey, well played.
My issue is that it now seems like a lot of anime studios and publishers are pandering to us in a way that pisses me off. They start treating otaku like money purses instead of people with artistic needs and people keep buying the stuff up even if it sucks. This is why we can't have cheap box set: they know the most devoted will buy no matter what and so they focus on them instead of appealing to all audiences out there. It also leads to the mass proliferation of fanservice items such as hug pillows and cheap promotion like the Doritos. This has not helped the reputation of otaku at all as they keep buying this stuff up

As for the comic itself, on the one hand, it was a humorous and sharp retort that went straight for the jugular and relished in the outcry made. On the other hand, when i saw the Evangelion promotion, only one thing came to mind

 
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I think it needed a final panel with Grey taking a sip of his wine/port/maddog20/20 or whatever with a look of smug superiority on his face. Just to rub it in that little bit more.
 

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I would like to argue that all of the fan service is actually Anno doing meta commentary about the Otaku culture

I WOULD like to argue that but with rebuild I really get the sense that Anno is playing the fiddle while Gainax burns

But no matter what happens, I still want to cuddle Rei and Misato and tell them it's going to be all right.
 

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hentropy said:
Izanagi009 said:
hentropy said:
Personally I'm just tired of Evangelion as a topic of discussion. I mean, the jokes write themself. Harem-mecha anime with the main character being the whiniest whiner in whine town, and he's whining about driving giant robots and saving the world. It was deep and unique back in 1995, there have been dozens of anime now that have done it better.
I guess people still want to talk about it because it was a major moment for a lot of anime fans (me included) to see a show that had the sort of, in my opinion, nihilism, hatred towards humanity (especially the otaku Anno hated), and brutality inflicted on the characters both mentally and physically. Other shows may have done it better, Psycho Pass did the nihilism of society thing to a good extent and some of the gundam shows after Eva did the character perspective and trauma better, but Evangelion was the show that kicked off this wave of dark and spiteful anime and people will always talk about the big game changer.
I watched Lain and GitS before I watched NGE, and by that time NGE looked relatively simple, almost looking like a pale imitation of what the others were trying to pull off, despite it coming before either of the anime series (although GitS was a manga at the time).
I read the GitS manga and really liked it and its messages on transhumanism. I wouldn't say Evangelion was simple but that the method of expressing their messages were different. Eva went straight for the throat with dark imagery, violence, and mental damage that drove many into depression based on anecdotal evidence . GitS i would say went for a more subtle approach, presenting a world filled with the technology and issues while having a good amount of quiet moments to allow people to sit back and think about what they saw.

Both methods have their own issues and strengths but they each are valid methods of presenting the points made.

(i'm starting to think that these forums are not the best place to have these types of debates)
 

shadowmagus

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Alright, who got mad? Seriously, I want to meet these people who took offense to a bi-weekly comic strip.
 

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Pinkamena said:
*Incoherent screaming of Evangelion fans in the distance*

Aaah... The sound of justice.

I'm a fan and I'm laughing.

Aptspire said:
The best one, imo, is the razor.
What's kind of funny is that this from Rebuild 'cos Mari's there. Yet what strikes me is that now Gendo has shaved and is smiling, I can sort of get why Yui Ikari might have been attracted to him.

Though what Asuka, Mari and Rei want with a good razor is a subject best left alone lest the police get involved.

shadowmagus said:
Alright, who got mad? Seriously, I want to meet these people who took offense to a bi-weekly comic strip.
Especially since the joke is actually really funny.
 

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Desert Punk said:
Izanagi009 said:
Actually advertising during anime has been going on for a while, and still goes on.

One of the biggest examples I can think of is that Dominos the pizza place helped fund the creation of Code Geass, so when CC was obsessed with Pizza, she was always eating out of a Domino's box. For some strange reason though they removed the Domino's references from the actual animation when they imported it and dubed it in america. I have seen product placement in other Anime as well from time to time.

And if I recall correctly hollywood has been doing the same thing since the 80s, so dont worry, its not just us nerdly folks that are getting the purse strings treatment :p
I thought it was Pizza Hut that was in Code Geass and promoted to an insane level with cheese-kun becoming a meme.

As for the purse string thing, the better example would be the game industry we know and love/hate. All of the talk about DRM, on-disc DLC, and other consumer unfriendly habits exist because publishers know that there are a strong number of people who will still buy the game regardless of what happens afterwards and we get stuck with disasters like Simcity as a result.

This isn't advertising in anime, by the way, this is the use of anime assets to advertise products, some of which have no connection. It's bad enough that we have product placement in anime but the use of the assets in the real world is just discomforting and also off in a way.
 

Charli

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People took ISSUE with that last comic? Jeezus christ I thought you had filmed me watching it and made a parody.
I was feeling quite honored.
 

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Doritos ruin everything... first video game journalism, now Eva. There is nowhere safe.
 

Legion

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You must have been reading a different comment box than I, as most of the ones I saw were either:

Saying Evangelion sucks.
That the joke was already used in the comic about it before.
Talking about something that had nothing to do with either.