Ever feel sorry for the enemies you've killed in a game?
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That's pretty bad, though at least he's ending it on his own terms as opposed you doing it to him I guess? I kind of wish they'd fleshed Saren out a bit more, he may have been racist but there were some hints at complexity to him, then BOOM game's ended.ReservoirAngel said:
You consider people who disagree with you to be pollution?JesterRaiin said:Uhhhhhhhhhhhhh, look buddy... Sole purpose of those morons is being there, for you to kick their sorry asses. It's not that they return home and say "That was really hard night, everything was ok then Batman arrived and f*cked us Chris Benoit's style". I'd understand some sort of sympathy for Sims, but not for generic villains that simply cease to exist seconds after you leave their room.Use_Imagination_here said:When I say I felt sorry for them, I mean I slightly pitied them while I was beating them up. And than I proceeded to beat them up some more. I don't fully understand how getting slightly emotionally involved in a games world makes me fragile.JesterRaiin said:And that's why Jack Thompson started his crusade. :|Use_Imagination_here said:This is their home. I could leave at any time, they're trapped here.JesterRaiin said:Boo-hoo. Should've stay at home.Use_Imagination_here said:
Man, if you're so fragile you shouldn't play such games and that's all.
We live in hard, cruel reality. No, really. Considering pixels as more than they are is a sign of weakness in my book. And straight path to world polluted by people that consider games anything more than fun. But that's just me.
Caring about stories and people you know not to be real is the centre of any kind of storytelling. You know that the man on screen is nothing more than coloured dots, but because you're immersed in the story, you don't care. It's no different to feeling sorrow at a tragic film scene or being frightened by a creepypasta, just the emotion is being conveyed through a different method to book or film.
Every time I play Bioshock. The Big Daddy's are actually pretty good guys serving a somewhat noble purpose. (I kill them so that I can protect the little girl?) Then most of the Splicers are being controlled by Ryan with hive mentality. Very few "bad guys" in Bioshock seem like actual "bad guys" to me.
I felt genuinely awful at the (bad) end of infamous 2 - close to man tears when a certain someone tries (powerlessly) to stop you.
Most of the time though? not really, the argument of "the guards are only doing their job" doesn't wash with me - if their job is to fight and kill other people at the behest of others then its hardly heartbreaking they get killed. Right?
Most of the time though? not really, the argument of "the guards are only doing their job" doesn't wash with me - if their job is to fight and kill other people at the behest of others then its hardly heartbreaking they get killed. Right?
Play all of them backwards and they scream like that, just in different ways. But the slow ones are the most chilling. It made me wish there was some way to shoot the headcraps off while leaving the person alive. But alas...Sectan said:
Way to be a jerk, dude. Don't call someone weak because they have an acute sense of empathy for something that isn't immediately human. All that suggests to me is that this guy isn't Going to go around murdering people in real life. I think that's a good thing.JesterRaiin said:Uhhhhhhhhhhhhh, look buddy... Sole purpose of those morons is being there, for you to kick their sorry asses. It's not that they return home and say "That was really hard night, everything was ok then Batman arrived and f*cked us Chris Benoit's style". I'd understand some sort of sympathy for Sims, but not for generic villains that simply cease to exist seconds after you leave their room.Use_Imagination_here said:
We live in hard, cruel reality. No, really. Considering pixels as more than they are is a sign of weakness in my book. And straight path to world polluted by people that consider games anything more than fun. But that's just me.
On topic: I felt bad about harvesting little sisters when playing the first Bioshock, to the extent when I decided to restart and play again completely goodly, even to the extent that I wouldn't show my friend what the harvest animation looked like when he asked me. I didn't want to do it again.
No, why ?LordFisheh said:
LordFisheh said:
There's world of games and there's virtual one. There's playing and there's roleplaying. There are well developed characters and simple mannequines, with a few lines of script defining them, just waiting somewhere for hero to arrive and do whatever he is supposed to do. I fail to see a slightest point in caring about them. And yes, i perceive it as a first sign of weakness. Why ?Daffy F said:
Because games aren't there to emulate real life, or to replace it. They are just for fun, nothing more. Nothing in them is "like in the reality", they only (sometimes) imitate real-world events quite good, tricking gamers into believieng that there's some depth in this experience. But underneath of it there's nothing besides lines of code, "0"s and "1"s. It should never ever be forgotten.
Ideas like OP's come from projecting elements of real world into virtual one. It's blurring the line between them and it leads only to unnecesary thinking and flawed conclusions. What's the next step ? Refusal to send countless armies to die in battle because they "have kids" ? Phuuleeeeeease. They are there only for that purpose. Thinking that GTA is all wrong, and playing it we're spreading chaos, violence, crime and malice in the world of real people with real lives ? You may like it or not, but that's what supports all those crusades against gaming.
I think that OP is tormenting himself unnecessarily, AND spreading seeds that (like in Inception) may grow into ideas that make life a little bit more difficult for him and/or other people.
It's just gaming. That's all.
The drug dealer and Nathaniel Heavy Rain. Yes, I realize a lot of people hated that game, I didn't. I thought it was very entertaining. Moving on.
I thought it was quite something that while in other games you spent 8 hours shooting everything in sight, this game could make me feel terrible for pulling the trigger on a single person.
I thought it was quite something that while in other games you spent 8 hours shooting everything in sight, this game could make me feel terrible for pulling the trigger on a single person.
I'm reminded very much of what one of the NCR 1st Recon snipers says. Fiends are just people who are so drugged up they don't know right from wrong, I always feel bad killing them.
Fable 2, in the Spire, the guy who is with you when you first go there, who tells you about his family and you have to kill him or lose all your xp
In Fable 3 I felt bad when I killed Logan the first time, once you learn that he had little choice in being the way he was.
I barely played it, since I thought it was almost unplayable, but I hear that the Nazis in Velvet Assassin sometimes have letters on them which they plan to send to wives/girlfriends.
I fell sad when I think about real soldiers and insurgents dying, considering Soldiers are just doing what they are told to and Insurgents tend to be people who have to do what they do given the circumstances. But I rarely feel attached to nameless faceless Marines since they don't have a back story.
In star wars battlefront all the Rebel soldiers were given average (in star wars terms) names, which made it a little harder killing them as Stormtrooper TX 260 or whatever.
Fable 2, in the Spire, the guy who is with you when you first go there, who tells you about his family and you have to kill him or lose all your xp
In Fable 3 I felt bad when I killed Logan the first time, once you learn that he had little choice in being the way he was.
I barely played it, since I thought it was almost unplayable, but I hear that the Nazis in Velvet Assassin sometimes have letters on them which they plan to send to wives/girlfriends.
I fell sad when I think about real soldiers and insurgents dying, considering Soldiers are just doing what they are told to and Insurgents tend to be people who have to do what they do given the circumstances. But I rarely feel attached to nameless faceless Marines since they don't have a back story.
In star wars battlefront all the Rebel soldiers were given average (in star wars terms) names, which made it a little harder killing them as Stormtrooper TX 260 or whatever.