Extra Credits: No Redeeming Value
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Gotta say I agree wholeheartedly with everything that was said and touched on in this video.
Storytelling, proper, competant if not superior narratives are what will make or break the Gaming medium in terms of artistic merit in the years to come. With the last of the God of War games, the Gears of War series and many of the other triple A titles out there being severely lacking in a proper story being told in a meaningful way, it isn't helping to make it's case.
Storytelling, proper, competant if not superior narratives are what will make or break the Gaming medium in terms of artistic merit in the years to come. With the last of the God of War games, the Gears of War series and many of the other triple A titles out there being severely lacking in a proper story being told in a meaningful way, it isn't helping to make it's case.
I have played Bioshock. I did enjoy it a lot but the experience got ruined for me by my ass hole friend who told me how it ended when i was half way through
totally not Bioshock's fault but after i knew the ending i couldn't force myself to finish it
the game-play got to boring after the desire to see what happened next was gone
not a fair fate for Bioshock
but I was mostly on about mainstream FPS games. Call of Duty, Halo. Metal of Honor, and the thousands of games that are just cheep ripoffs of those games Killzone, Farcry, I'd even include Gears of War. but that's closer to a victim of the popularity of FPS. the brown and gray repetitive cover based game-play. then I'd have to include GTA4.... Replace FPS with mainstream games and that would improve the accuracy of my rant
totally not Bioshock's fault but after i knew the ending i couldn't force myself to finish it
the game-play got to boring after the desire to see what happened next was gone
not a fair fate for Bioshock
but I was mostly on about mainstream FPS games. Call of Duty, Halo. Metal of Honor, and the thousands of games that are just cheep ripoffs of those games Killzone, Farcry, I'd even include Gears of War. but that's closer to a victim of the popularity of FPS. the brown and gray repetitive cover based game-play. then I'd have to include GTA4.... Replace FPS with mainstream games and that would improve the accuracy of my rant
Best series that isn't meant to bring lols on the escapist.
I'll be honest, when it first got here, I thought "Oh great. Whats this? "Because games matter?" This is gonna be douchey" But no, I watched, and it is amazing. Best in show?
I'll be honest, when it first got here, I thought "Oh great. Whats this? "Because games matter?" This is gonna be douchey" But no, I watched, and it is amazing. Best in show?
There are two things i would like to comment on at the start. first the "*scritch scritch* HAH!" at the start sounds different, it has a very close echo. Is this accidental?
About VG storytelling, "We're only just beginning to learn how to use it effectively." I know this is unfair on plenty of classic games such as, to give my favourite example, Persona 3. It's a wonderful microcosm of real life. I wont go on about it though.
A lot of new games incorporate an extensive codex, for your optional reading. I wholly dissaprove. The point of visual mediums such as films and games is to tell as much as you can with landscapes and careful dialogue. A game shouldn't resort to this. Why would you read about an in game world if it hasn't already left a meaningful impression on you.
I'm all for effective storytelling.
About VG storytelling, "We're only just beginning to learn how to use it effectively." I know this is unfair on plenty of classic games such as, to give my favourite example, Persona 3. It's a wonderful microcosm of real life. I wont go on about it though.
A lot of new games incorporate an extensive codex, for your optional reading. I wholly dissaprove. The point of visual mediums such as films and games is to tell as much as you can with landscapes and careful dialogue. A game shouldn't resort to this. Why would you read about an in game world if it hasn't already left a meaningful impression on you.
I'm all for effective storytelling.
I have truly grown to appreciate this series. the observations are intelligent and takes games seriously. If we had more of this, games' place in our society as an interactive and thoughtful medium would no longer come into question! I sincerely hope this brand of observation and thoughtful rhetoric continues to grow. Kudos to them for a truly noteworthy and worthwhile project.
Good video. I agree that the story of God of War does get a bit silly, but hell, the games are so fun to play.
You couldn't have used wikipedia to the "three elements" of greek tragedy. Because there aren't: all Greek tragedians bought something unique, and totally different. Sophocles is WRONGLY considered the class Greek tragedian, and all your inferences about Greek tragedy stem from there. The number one element of Greek tragedy is that HERO CAN'T CONTROL HIS DESTINY! Isn't that blatantly clear in Oedipus Rex, the tragedy of Achilles, and this theme even carried on into the Roman culture, with the Aeneid perhaps being the biggest example of that.
God decide everything, and mortals are mere pawns in this playground for the cosmic forces. Do your god damn research before you start parading yourself as figures of (some) authority. You just made up your three "elements" to justify for yourselves your feelings for the God of War series. People like you make me sick---and that's my injustice.
God decide everything, and mortals are mere pawns in this playground for the cosmic forces. Do your god damn research before you start parading yourself as figures of (some) authority. You just made up your three "elements" to justify for yourselves your feelings for the God of War series. People like you make me sick---and that's my injustice.
For anyone who decides to read this far into the forums I'll say this...
About a week or so ago there was an interview with the creator of GoW and TM, David Jaffe. The interview was originally supposed to be about the upcoming Twisted Metal game, but it got a bit sidetracked near the middle of the interview and they started talking about how Jaffe would have handled the end of the GoW series.
And I have to say, right off the bat, his ideas of telling a story are REALLY good.
I'd rather not say what it was here, but you could find the video on gametrailers if your that curious on how good the story of GoW3 was originally going to be.
About a week or so ago there was an interview with the creator of GoW and TM, David Jaffe. The interview was originally supposed to be about the upcoming Twisted Metal game, but it got a bit sidetracked near the middle of the interview and they started talking about how Jaffe would have handled the end of the GoW series.
And I have to say, right off the bat, his ideas of telling a story are REALLY good.
I'd rather not say what it was here, but you could find the video on gametrailers if your that curious on how good the story of GoW3 was originally going to be.
I figure they accidentally made the statement that you can become a prisoner to your emotions.
Hence you being locked into his head at the end.
I say accidentally because it didn't look like something they planned, it just popped into someones head near the end of development I figure.
Hence you being locked into his head at the end.
I say accidentally because it didn't look like something they planned, it just popped into someones head near the end of development I figure.
I would like to point out that technically Kratos albeit inadvertently did not destroy the world per se, he saved/liberated it by killing the gods who held an iron grip on it and freeing it for mortals to rule.
Think about it, he single handedly killed off and slaughtered every single monster, demon, chimera, etc in Greece, he killed Hades who held the souls of the departed in bondage. He killed Poseidon who controlled the seas to his whims and now the oceans and seas move according to nature's laws yet again, Apollo restoring the natural night/day cycle, etc leaving alive Demeter and forgetting her greek name Venus god's who are important for their contributions and not their tyrannical control.
Oh and killing the sister's of fate making is possible for mortals to control their own destinies, seriously, there's as much of good argument here for alternative character interpretation for Kratos actually in his blindness helping Humanity be free of the god's tyranny.
Now we just need to sick him on the Babylonian and Egyptian pantheons and away we go, all set.
Oh and the Titans who would've probly wiped out Humanity since they don't like us very much.
Think about it, he single handedly killed off and slaughtered every single monster, demon, chimera, etc in Greece, he killed Hades who held the souls of the departed in bondage. He killed Poseidon who controlled the seas to his whims and now the oceans and seas move according to nature's laws yet again, Apollo restoring the natural night/day cycle, etc leaving alive Demeter and forgetting her greek name Venus god's who are important for their contributions and not their tyrannical control.
Oh and killing the sister's of fate making is possible for mortals to control their own destinies, seriously, there's as much of good argument here for alternative character interpretation for Kratos actually in his blindness helping Humanity be free of the god's tyranny.
Now we just need to sick him on the Babylonian and Egyptian pantheons and away we go, all set.
Oh and the Titans who would've probly wiped out Humanity since they don't like us very much.