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jakefongloo

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Considering you don't care about multiplayer nearly as much as alot of other people do, I don't really care what you believe should be the people's choice of best game. Half the people who own BlOps havn't even played the single player. But they're having fun playing it and isn't that how you do your own awards?
 

zaion815

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First thing, that came to my mind after few moments of playing Just Cause 2 was "holy shit, this is a game with the most intense action of all times!" So yes, it deffinitely should have been voted as the "most action" game of 2010.
 

Inkidu

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So we should replace the opinions of some organization with yours, Crenshaw? Doesn't Britain have some kind of Emmy where they people vote? I mean, complaining about it in what is basically a magazine article is pointless. As cathartic as it might be for you, it's a waste of space to me. If I wanted to read about peoples' complaints I'd join Facebook, Blogspot, or Twitter. I come here for interesting views. Not a two page article where a grown man complains about the fact that his games didn't win what is basically a contest he has no vote in. Yes, they're stupid. The Oscars aren't much better, but has them losing suddenly diminished or raised the value of the games in your eyes?
 

Therumancer

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Well, the problem with awards is that it's impossible to make everyone happy. To put it bluntly, you either wind up with a bunch of experts who attempt to objectively evaluate the medium in question, with results that will frequently get the every man to scratch their heads while screaming about pretentiousness, or a kind of populist "what's cool at the moment" poll-a-thon dominated by the lowest human denominator. Increasingly, most awards systems wind up making nobody happy by trying to walk between the two extremes, with more of an increasing lean towards the lowest human denominator because in the end the point increasingly comes down to a show being put on, and looking to their approval.

Honestly I think for any kind of an awards system to be taken seriously, it needs to be divorced from the public spectacle. When this kind of thing becomes TOO public, it destroys any integrity that the awards had to begin with (with anything from movie, to music, to now games), which is what got people interested to begin with.

I honestly think awards systems are a good way to guide the progression of their respective industries, and acknowleged actual achievement when it happens. Of course I also think that as a part of this there should not be a definate aware being handed out in each catagory each year, only the potential for one, and entire catagories of acknowlegement should be skipped if nobody does anything meaningful to progress the medium as a whole. I think one of the problem with awards in general nowadays is that no matter the media, it typically comes down to deciding what piece of mass market consumer dog poop actually stinks less, when little is created that is going to have any kind of lasting impact.

See, I'm of the opinion that the guys doing the awards for video games should be similar to me, not so much in their actual opinion, but in having a depth of knowledge about gaming, and a willingness to put new creations into perspective. I'd have no problem not giving any awards if there were no games worthy of them in a given year. I also have no problem with sitting back and pointing out when I think a game doesn't deserve as much praise as it's getting because someone did the same basic thing, better, decades beforehand, but just didn't have as pretty graphics attached to it. I'd also think that any "toolbox" game that is developed by using a pre-made engine with new graphics stuck onto it and a frew tweaks should be omitted because there is little actual game design there at all. One of the reasons why so many games play the same way is because they use the same exact code. As far as I'm concerned you can pretty much review "game made with the Unreal engine" once, and award it fairly once. If I'm sitting down trying to compare 2-3 games all developed from the same toolbox, I'd pretty much just lob them all into the waste bin collectively.

Of course this pretty much makes me similar to what "The Academy" has been for movies for a long time (though that has been changing as time goes on). A perfectly entertaining popcorn flick that is popular with the everyman, getting trashed or not even considered because in the big picture (going back to probably before a lot of people watching the current movies were born) they objectively weren't anything special.

Maybe at some point my opinion will change, but honestly I think the problem with almost all video game awards systems right now is that it's pretty much a bunch of promotion and backpatting, there isn't really anyone evaluating video games as an art form or holding what's being made now up against what has been made before. In looking at games one has to look at the gameplay, writing, and actual mechanics of the thing, not nessicarly at how pretty the game is graphically. It's sort of like how with movies The Academy tends not to be heavily swayed by special FX, which might wow audience, but have little to do with the actual quality of the film, how it's put together, or the performances within it. Simply put if you can take a game made now and put it up against a game that was made for the Commodore 64 and find that it has inferior gameplay, design, pacing, etc... it deserves to get panned because it's simply very pretty... and just as there are catagories for looking good for movies, doubtlessly graphics and art direction would be it's own singular catagory.


A lot of rambling, but such are my thoughts.
 

Cornish

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FogHornG36 said:
Europe is Known for liking things with much more class then the united states.

MYTH-BUSTED!
Oi, this is the UK's doing. Don't pull us in on this none-sense!
 

Samsont

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When you went "It's empty like the eyes of a child prostitute." I actually flinched, that one was out of taste.
 

RabbidKuriboh

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i agree that games getting public recognition is a fantastic thing, unfortunately 80% of the people are wankers with no idea about anything

think i'm too harsh?

FUCKING BLOPS GOT A NOMINATION FOR BEST STORY!!!
 

LordLundar

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AetherWolf said:
Their taste in games is almost as bad as Famitsu. Almost.
Luckily America has an award show dedicated entirely to games... It's better than nothing, right?
Until you see it and realize that the only reason they put game awards in was because there already is enough goddamn movie award shows.

No joke. The Spike VGA is nothing more than "look how much company A paid for the advertising that is disguised as an awards show."
 

lowkey_jotunn

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Henceforth, I shall call it "codblops" at every opportunity.

The awards themselves may be a load of hogwash, but hey, at least there are video game awards now. that tells me medium is being recognized as an art form on some level.

Baby steps.

And really, compare the movie winners. BAFTA side or Oscar. Was "Kings Speech" really the best movie all year? Well, I suppose "the broadest appeal movie with an artistic tinge that was released within the last 3 months because we can't be arsed to remember any farther back than that" just doesn't have the same ring to it, now does it?

When the movie awards elevate themselves above shameless reach-arounds and back slapping, I'll expect video games to do the same.
 

Barrelroller

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I am curious about the selection of games available - it seems incredibly limited, considering that 2010 had many more well-standing titles. Wasn't there something to the BAFTA selection process being a bit fishy, with nominees being required to be BAFTA members and entering their games?

"Pay to be considered" sounds like a good way of making for a shitty awards show.
Essentially, it's an advertising mechanism.
 

Fangv2

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Even if the nominations and winners are bad it's at least good to see a award show include Video Games along side Movies.
 

Arren Kae

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AssCreed had the worst action out of those nominees. If you're lumping FPses with action games what's action? The amount of blood and explosions?

Heavy Rain is a shit movie. Artistic achievement is a label that smacks of pomp. Videogames are an artistic medium so whatever game's best has acheived the most artistically. In that regard I'd give it to ME2.

FNV has the best story out of those nominees.

Technical Innovation: Hmm, neither Rage or Crysis 2 had come out yet. What game has the best code? I dunno.

The best game was either ME2, FNV, or maybe SC2 for the lattermost's multiplayer. Those nominees look like they're ticking off a list of categories. Sports game? Check. Movie? check. Indie game? Check. Nintendo game? Check.
 

dangitall

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Cut the rope won handheld? My day is ruined.
FogHornG36 said:
Europe is Known for liking things with much more class then the united states.

MYTH-BUSTED!
But still, how? They put way more time into developing Ghost of Sparta than they would developing that excuse of a game.
 

Melissia

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I can see how it won the popularity contest, but how the HELL did Black Ops get nominated for Innovation?

Black Ops is as not-innovative as Mario Galaxy 2. At least they didn't nominate starcrap 2 for it, as that game is the same for innovation and quality as a bullet to the head is for living.
 

windlenot

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Black Ops in story... I always told my friends that the Black Ops campaign was like a straight to Sci Fi movie... I personally hated it. But with a game breaking records on release day, it only makes sense that the public votes it best! Right?