Extra Punctuation: BAFTAs Are Bollocks

[JourneyThroughHell]

Calm down, son. If you're impressed with and enjoyed Black Ops I can't imagine why my opinion matters to you.

This was more of a knee-jerk reaction than an attack directly on you.

You have to remember that I'm a CoD fan on the Escapist, a forum where people constantly attack the series and, while playing it, attack the people who like it.

So, yeah, this was not so much directed at you than at the other people in this thread.

 

[MiracleOfSound]

Heavy Rain had plot holes? This is news to me.

Screw plot holes, there was one massive hole in the game that every character fell into -the uncanny valley.

 

[GrizzlerBorno]

On that note: New Vegas should have won best story. I didn't play Heavy Rain, but New Vegas had a really mature and well written, but at the same time very flexible story.

Agreed. The fact is, I don't appreciate heavily scripted story lines - it undermines the concept of 'interactive medium' as it puts us on arbitrarily imposed rails. New Vegas managed to be rather well-written even after being so open-ended - efforts like that should be rewarded.

I have absolutely no problem with rigid scripted story lines. Instead How I think of it is: Obsidian, with Fallout: New Vegas, managed to epitomize the "Free Roaming Game Story". That's what FNV did. It wasn't the first. If you remember, GTA 2 did the same thing, with the different factions in an open world.

GTA 2 just didn't have a great story wrapped around all of it, and I hope we get to see more of the same from "Open-worlders" cause they work better than the GTA4 style rigid story that often clashes with the free-form gameplay.....

 

[Stabby Joe]

I wish more would call out Heavy Rain's story. Along with Yahtzee, the only ones I can think of off the top of my head are Destructoid and GamesRadar.

In fact, the latter has this article about Heavy Rain's "plot":

http://www.gamesradar.com/f/heavy-rains-big-plot-holes/a-20100224105436979020

Most of those plot holes listed don't even make sense, unless you go by video game logic instead of actual logic.
I don't need to read past Hole number 1 to see a stupid list

Spoiler

About Hole 1: We didn't see her interacting with the killer on screen therefor she never heard his name, despite being a journalist investigating the same case as the PI/Killer, and talking to/interrogating the same people. Why wouldn't a journalist know the name of the people involved in the investigation, specially one that was on the center of it?

Erm, o...k...

Yeah, I don't buy that at all.

Spoiler

While the article singles it out since they never heard the killer's real name, there is not even an assumption or a hint of it. The killer interacted with many characters, Madison did not however interact with all of the same. It's still a big plot hole, one that could have easily been fixed with one line of dialogue. A good story doesn't make people assume random details like that.

Therefore I'm not sure how that makes everything else redundant. It's stuff like this is why people take issue with some games and their fans (of which I would include myself apart despite the plot).

 

[birlyth]

Dead Rising 2 is obviously not an "expansion" of the first Dead Rising. MOAR ZOMBIES, that makes it all different, alongside coop mode.
Of course I am generalizing but so does Yahtzee with AC:B.

 

[JourneyThroughHell]

Heavy Rain had plot holes? This is news to me.

Screw plot holes, there was one massive hole in the game that every character fell into -the uncanny valley.

Hey, Miracle, did you get a PS3 all of a sudden?

No?

Well, then why do you blah blah blah about Heavy Rain? *smirk*

 

[repeating integers]

This thread serves as proof of the internet's pretentiousness.

Not the BAFTA awards, or even Yahtzee's article. This fucking thread. All of it. Every single rage-filled, highbrow, elitist post of it.

Special mention must go to the people who said that "public awards are stupid because the average joe's opinion is invalid, not being as artistically refined and intellectual as mine".

 

[MiracleOfSound]

Heavy Rain had plot holes? This is news to me.

Screw plot holes, there was one massive hole in the game that every character fell into -the uncanny valley.

Hey, Miracle, did you get a PS3 all of a sudden?

No?

Well, then why do you blah blah blah about Heavy Rain? *smirk*

Actually I watched a playthough, smartypants!

 

[MissAshley]

Both Super Mario Galaxy 2 and the Japanese Super Mario Bros. 2 were built off the assets of a previous Mario title. Yet to me, Galaxy 2 managed to feel far, far less "samey" than SMB 2.

I'll even go so far as to say it felt less samey to me than Majora's Mask compared to Ocarina of Time.

 

[JourneyThroughHell]

Actually I watched a playthough, smartypants!

And, yet, you still go on about the Uncanny Valley?

Which really seems weird to me. Sure, the first few gameplay clips were noticeably off, but, after that, surely not "every" character looked wrong.

 

[jjboat]

This thread serves as proof of the internet's pretentiousness.

Not the BAFTA awards, or even Yahtzee's article. This fucking thread. All of it. Every single rage-filled, highbrow, elitist post of it.

Special mention must go to the people who said that "public awards are stupid because the average joe's opinion is invalid, not being as artistically refined and intellectual as mine".

While I agree with you, i think that Yahtzee's article is more biased and elitist than any of the comments on this thread. This article made me lose any ounce of respect I had for his opinions due to how goddamned biased he is. I know that it is an opinion piece but a little objectivity would have been nice.

 

[Nomanslander]

Just Cause 2, Dead Rising 2 and Amnesia: The Dark Descent didn't score a single nomination....

-Yahtzee

Poor Yahtzee, finally realizing maybe his tastes aren't as refined as he thinks it is...=*(

Don't be ridiculous, the BAFTAs are no where near any indication of what is good and what's bad in gaming, because it's still run by men in stuffy suits who just go for the public concious goes for. You should almost NEVER agree with mainstream awards ceremonies when it comes to video games.

This is an an awards ceremony where Black Ops can be nominated for best story alongside Mario Galaxy being putup for "Technical Innovation", as well as Fifa 11 for "Best Game", then there is no reason to stand up for or believe in anything the BAFTAs pick as far as video games. Based on that past sentence alone should prove that the Video Games awards in mainstream awards ceremonies are utter bollocks.

To say liking stuff like Amnesia means you have poor taste just means you're a moron, amnesia was sublime game, very immersive and "fun" to play all the way through.

Mainstream awards ceremonies are never going to be good unless you get people who properly care for the medium, even if you don't like Yahtzee at all, to say he doesn't know what he's talking about when it comes to video games would be pushing it at best and utterly stupid at worst.

The awards ceremonies need people actually qualified to look at games properly to make them work, not the boardroom executive or the average mouth breather chav.

Actually I hold Amnesia as one of Yahtzee's exceptions, but I'm yet to play it so I'll hold judgement of that game till later.

As for the other two? Well, let's just say I'm glad I don't take much of what Yahtzee says as serious recommendations. JC2 was just one giant gimmick, and all DR2 did for me was realize how much I've gotten fed up of zombie themed movies and games...-_-

Yes, you're right. Most awards ceremonies are jokes to begin with. But I can say the same about most of Yahztee's choices. The guy harps on every game, and when it comes time to praise one for once, it's some instant bargin bin title...lol

 

[Nomanslander]

double post

-_-

 

[googleback]

its a popularity contest, nothing more. I expect more from the academy...

 

[captain underpants]

Thank the gods I'm not the only one that thinks Bioware's Mass Effect characters and animation come from deep, deep within the uncanny valley.

That weird sag that Sheppard always did in conversations always saw head meet desk. Get some motion capture happening, Bioware, or be left behind.

 

[Kermi]

Calm down, son. If you're impressed with and enjoyed Black Ops I can't imagine why my opinion matters to you.

This was more of a knee-jerk reaction than an attack directly on you.

You have to remember that I'm a CoD fan on the Escapist, a forum where people constantly attack the series and, while playing it, attack the people who like it.

So, yeah, this was not so much directed at you than at the other people in this thread.

Hey, I understand. I still maintain that Modern Warfare 2 was a great game, with a well done story, good characters, etc. etc. and I'm constantly given completely unfounded arguments by people who say it was terrible... what it usually boils down to is them not appreciating the story because they didn't understand it. This goes for Yahtzee, too.

I decided quite early on that I wasn't enjoying Black Ops. Everything felt sub par. It's COD4 standard technologically and there's no excuse for that. I didn't like the story. The plot twists were predictable. And by predictable I mean that I guessed about 75% of the plot from the TITLE SCREEN, before I commenced playing the game.
I guessed the remainder after the jailbreak mission.

So I found it poor. That's no reason people can't like it for the same reasons I like MW2 while everyone else hates it.

I've decided that it's basically impossible to change someone's mind. If someone tells me MW2 sucks, I smile, nod, and I'm on my way. The elitism this community breeds is a large part of while I hardly post these days.

 

[Squarez]

I guess even if games get their own respectable awards, it's probably a little too optimistic to think it's going to be any more objective than movie awards.

Awards = Giving award to things/people deemed the best.

objective

wat.

 

[internetzealot1]

AC: Brotherhood "stealthy" and "free of button-mashing."
Lolwut?
Super Mario Galaxy 1 "WAS PRETTY MUCH THE SAME BUT SLIGHTLY BETTER!"
LOLWUT!?!

 

[internetzealot1]

EDIT: Holy fuck, I just noticed Blops got nominated for story. What. The. Fucking. Hell.

Don't pretend that story wasn't the one place where Blops did something unique for the CoD series.

 

[Grabbin Keelz]

lol I never heard the term Blops before, I think I'll use that now.

I would have voted Dead Rising 2 but don't quote me on it, I only played like 5 new games this year.

EDIT: Oh wait, Just Cause 2 was a candidate too.........hmm, tough choice.