Extra Punctuation: Pokemon 100 Percenters Are Mad

James Raynor

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Good article, however few people are interested in 'Catching them all' in the Pokemon games. Why do you think they dropped the "Gotta Catch them all" phrase in the 4th generation? People generally play the pokemon games because they like the designs of the creatures or happen to like the turn based combat. Honestly I cannot give a toss about it either way but that's me, I realize you dispise turn-based combat.
 

Mahorfeus

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Oral sex? Awesome. 100-percenting a Pokemon game for it? I think I'll keep my pants on.
 

Yopaz

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hawk533 said:
I got all 150 original pokemon when it was just Red and Blue by having both versions of the game and trading back and forth with myself. Once I realized that my only reward was a message from Professor Oak I never tried it again. I had hoped that maybe I would get Mew, the otherwise uncollectable pokemon.

I like doing things to 100% if it's a game I love and there's a reward for it. I collected all the flags in the first city of Assassin's Creed. Once I realized that I wouldn't be rewarded for it I gave up on collecting flags. I agree with you Yahtzee, getting 100% just for it's own sake is for mad people.
Actually there were 151 :p.

I had completely forgotten the camera thing from Wind Waker. Thanks for reminding me, Yahtzee. I haven't neem amy closer to getting them all since Red/blue/Yellow. I had 150 there and 259 in Gold/Silver/Crystal/ after that the way to complete grows longer and longer...
 

pigmy wurm

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Dear lord I have a friend who fits into the insane 100% category. I have seen him many times sitting at the TV for an hour or two with his computer open to game faqs so that he can find the last few hidden flags or statues or what ever. He has gotten better though and will now refuse to do certain quests that he feels are too boring, but he has a fairly high tolerance, and he still doesn't care whether the quest actually gets him anything of in game value.

When I play pokemon I never have any assumption that I will get all of the pokemon, but I do feel an annoying tension between the fact that the game wants you to grab as many pokemon as you can to fill up your pokedex, which you are often rewarded for, but you can only use 6 pokemon at a time. So I keep getting all of these cool pokemon that I want to use but I can't decide which ones I actually want and which ones will just molder in my computer and sometimes that is when I just put down the game, and sometimes don't come back until I have started a new quest. I think that might be why, despite playing both of the originals, the remake of red, and pokemon white I have yet to beat any of them.
 

Therumancer

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I'm neither a 100%er or an achievement addict, a good portion of my favorite games don't even have "Cheevos", which I guess comes from the PC being my platform of choice despite the consoles I own.

That said, I think that there is actually a certain rush involved in finishing a game to your satisfaction, irregardless of what that level of satisfaction is. It's sort of like building a really complicated puzzle, a lot of the joy comes from succeeding and realizing you figured out how to put all those pieces together, not so much from the actual journey to get there. You realize a lot of people wouldn't have the patience to do that assuming nothing else is involved.

The thing to consider is that these "completion" games are very popular, they keep producing more of them. Obvously, no matter how it looks, people are getting some enjoyment out of them. Even if you want to start talking about addiction, there has to be something there that is appealing to begin with for there to be a psychological addiction. Unless of course we learn at some point that there was some kind of unknown hypno-mind control component to thse games we never realized of course... :p

I think in the end, you can see gaming as being a lot like sex. Someone who has a fetish that you aren't wired for, is going to be beyond your understanding since it all comes down to instict and feeling. Watching someone who is into fecaphillia, water sports, hardcore S&M, or whatever else might even disgust and apall you as an outside observer. Especially if the actual satisfaction actually comes after the actual acts themselves which can be hard for some to understand.

Not a perfect analogy, but the point is that if collection games aren't your "thing" your not really going to get it. What's more like a lot of things that appeal to people, it can be hard to explain exactly WHY they are into something, especially when they aren't having fun doing it for long periods of time. It's typically a matter of working towards a specific high that is seen as being worth the efort, and really can't be explained to a non enthusiast.

It's sort of like how I'm into serious RPGs, stats, and turn based combat. People who aren't, don't get the appeal. You either get some things, or you don't.

Truthfully I *DO* think there are disruptive games that exploit people and are a detriment to the industry, the players, and future development despite the truck loads of money they make and their popularity. That judgement has little to do with whether I like them or not.

Speaking for myself I will also say that as a stat obssessed turn-based RPG player, Pokemon has had little appeal to me despite on the surface seeming to be made specifically for people LIKE me. Largely because the elements built around those mechanics aren't appealing to me. Pokemon is too cutesy, and seems like what should be a side activity in a bigger game, rather than the focus for an entire game itself. I look at the old action-RPG "Lost Galaxy" (I think it was called) where you had a bug hunting and collection mini-game, where you found the bugs on differant planets and could enter them in competitive tournaments for rewards. Sort of like preying mantis or cricket fights I guess. Pokemon is like if they made that game even more cutesy and childish and removed everything else from the game except for that side activity. It just can't hold my attention for long.

Given the relatively small size of Pokemon games, and the simple fact that they seem like they are relatively cheap to develop, I think someone who actually realizes that they could tape something like this into a bigger RPG game (with rewards as Yahtzee points out) with this level of depth would be onto something, as it would greatly extend the play life of the game in question and add to it's overall depth.
 

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I'm borderline on being one of those people. I will call myself a "completionist," because often in games (mostly RPGs), I will force myself to complete every measly side-quest, even if they are meaningless and reward you with nothing more than an achievement. Borderlands is a thorn in my side for this reason. I'm pretty sure all of the DLC for that game was entirely based around the principle of meaningless collection-quests.

I do have some OCD tendencies in real life as well, so that's probably the cause.

Although I'm yet to 100% anything, I think. I usually get to 98% or whatever, and then finally decide to move on to something else. Except for Fallout: New Vegas, where I modded the XP system so I could complete EVERY single sidequest, and did every single ending. I'm still missing a few achievements though, like the one where you heal so much health from eating stuff.
 

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Pokemon:You're going to need more than just your starter so you can obliterate all of your foes.


Not quite as good a tag line though.


For some reason I'm only a 100% for some games, but not all of them.
 

Keith K

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The Assassin's Creed example is even worse on PS3 where there's not even an achievement for collecting the flags. I think I collected maybe 30 of them and most of them were by accident.
 

shogunblade

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I think the only game I have ever tried to get 100% Percent on was the original Donkey Kong Country Games for the SNES, but those had whole new endings, and it was damn worth it too.

Nope, I take it back, I also tried my hand at the Dog Tags Challenges at MGS2: Sons of Liberty, if nothing else, so I could be invisible.
 

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TimeLord said:
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That's like saying you read 100% of See Spot Run. Everyone did it.

OT: Peace Walker has a somewhat 100%er feel to it, but I've had fun with the Extra Ops and don't feel compelled to do them just to get 100%.

Holding a guard up with a banana gun is the most fun.
 

Eldarion

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I only play these games to catch the 6 or so favorites and leave the rest.

Granted, I then have to level the team to max level so...eh

I think I have about 50 or so pokemon between all the games. About 12 of them are max level.
 

Harry Buddha Palm

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My whole family is Obsessive Compulsive to varying degrees, myself included. I used to be a "100 percenter". OCD makes you want to collect things. We get a tremendous sense of satisfaction when we get a complete set of something and a tremendous sense of failure when we can't. For example, say there's a set of six Hot Wheels toys and you have five of them. It KILLS you that you're missing one! You get fixated on that one damn car you don't have and you go to great lengths to get it and when you do and you look at your complete set of all six cars, you get this sense of completion and satisfaction. You feel like you accomplished your goal. You united the six and made order out of chaos. If you don't complete the set then you are an utter failure. You don't see the five cars you have. You see the one that is missing. The set is incomplete. It's missing a piece and it's your fault.

In my youth, I'd finish any game or go through Hell trying, even if I hated it. If I failed to beat the game then I felt like the game beat me. If I didn't collect all the little trinkets or find all the secrets then I felt like a failure. If I got 100%, then I felt like a winner. I took up the games challenge and came out on top. I didn't just finish the game, I DEFEATED the game. I would even sometimes make the challenges harder on myself. Take Pokemon for example. Not only did I want all 151 Pokemon entries in my Pokedex, I wanted to actaully own one of each Pokemon and I did it. I caught them all and it felt good. I conqured the challenge set before me. When I failed, though, it was crushing. It burns me that I never beat Mike Tyson in Punch Out. I only made it to him one time and he knocked me out in one hit, the bastard.

As I've gotten older and learned more about OCD, I've learned to control the condition better. I no longer feel the need to get 100%, or even finish a game or movie or book or TV show if I don't like it. Sometimes I still finish if I've felt that I've gone past the Point of No Return, but I don't have that NEED to finish like I did when I was younger. Occasionally, I'll relapse and buy something just to complete a set. I hated "Revenge of the Sith", but I had to buy the DVD because I had all the rest, but it's more managable now. I know when I'm doing something Obsessive and I can decide whether or not it's worth fighting the compulsion or giving in to it. When I was playing Diablo 2, I was grinding and grinding, trying to find better loot and then I thought to myself "Why am I doing this? I don't need to hit level 99 and I don't need better gear than what I have to finish the game." So, I beat the game and quit playing. My brother, on the other hand, kept playing and playing and grinding and grinding night after night for another year. I kept asking why he was still playing the game and he'd say "I don't know." He just couldn't stop. That compulsion to get new gear was overwhelming. That feeling of satisfaction when he found some amazing piece of loot was too great. Eventually, he stopped playing, though. I guess as he got older he got better at controlling his compulsion, too.
 

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arc1991 said:
Admittedly i would like to fill my Pokedex, but im in no hurry to do it, i like training my little Mons. And again...admittedly, i don't know why i have so much fun on them games, it's a game that should NOT work...but it does...if anyone else had developed this concept, it would be a total disaster.

But come on Yahtzee, don't tell us that your not playing this game right now...we all you know you are, and we all know you secretly love it ;)

Soon Yahtzee will want every single Pokemon, making him a 100%er ;)

My friend, you have sucked in to the world of Pokemon ;)
Oh he is totally hooked and not admitting it. Just like he has *stopped* playing Minecraft since he's done reviewing it.

[sub]My title is now even more relevant.[/sub]
 

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I used to be like that but I learned to ween myself off.

I am having a lot more fun just by "role playing" I used to reload and agonise over issues/choices/morality on Bioware/Bethesda games but now I just play "as if" and "as is" I do not reload and I do things trying to stay true to the character.

It is hard to not do it but now I am enjoying things a lot more. Giving up on achievements and unlockables has renewed my enjoyment, because as I get older I am too busy and have too many things going on to devote myself such to games but now I get all my enjoyment and move on and if something does not interest me; even thought the rest of the world is loving it (Walo, Gears, Minecraft, etc.) I just do not play it, I do not keep up. Working for a major game company I used to think I had to play everything but being a lot more selective is much more fun.

I started with achievements. I used to 1000 games and before I started playing I looked at the list to plan how to get the most with the minimal playthroughs. Now I never look, as a rule, and if I get one I check it out but I never seek them out or see what other ones are. This is a lot harder than I would have thought but the benefit was huge! It taught me to relearn to play games and to actually play, I have enough game work AT WORK!
 

Baldr

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Your mad at game designers because something like 1% of people have some sorta mental issue and are negatively affected from the game?
 

GinraiPrime

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I will admit I can be abit of a 100% at times. I got all 151 Pokémon on my red version back in the day but haven't really bothered to do so on all the others. Not because I didn't want to, I always got distracted by other games. I do go back to them every now and again and do more but most of the time I just play for enjoyment and taking on others with my new teams. Some 100% things in games are way more brutal than Pokémon, like some of the Final Fantasy ones or even the achievements in Mega Man 9 & 10....Damn, thats just beyond insane to do those
 

darthotaku

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To be honest, even if catching one of every pokemon did get me a BJ, I'd probably still not be bothered to do it. And this is coming from a guy who almost literally jumped off a bridge to get a girl to go out with him.
I just can't stand wandering around a virtual forest for hours when I only ever use one pokemon for the entire game.
 

KorLeonis

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I got all the Gold Skulltullas. I've found every heart piece, every bottle, every item in all Zelda's I've played, but I drew the line at the picture taking. No way in hell was I doing that.

I never collected all the flags in the first Assassin's Creed, but I did in AC2, and I'm working on it in AC:Bro right now. The difference being that I have maps for the flag locations in the later ones. I have all the achievements for AC2 (except one that glitches and won't let me have it, grrrr).

WoW doesn't appeal to me at all, and I can't stand pokemon, but I have put truly insane amounts of time into thoroughly playing all of the Final Fantasy series games from 7 to 12 (but not 11). So does that make me a 100%-er? Definitely mild to moderately OCD, but I do know when I'm not having fun anymore, and I'm content to stop there.

Side note: I have motor-boated several of my friend's sisters, as well as many of my sister's friends. It never ends well, someone always gets upset.