Hopefully this means the next review will be of Pokemon White, as Homefront looks like another generic, boring FPS which I'm not bothered about.
Extra Punctuation: Roleplaying Homosexual in Dragon Age 2
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This was an interesting read because it's pretty similar to the way I play RPGs. I'm not really that interested in making a character that directly reflects my personality or who I am as a person... it's more about making someone I find interesting and want to develop and find out more about her. I can't say in the games with optional romances that I've ever had one of my heroines turn out to be gay, but that's probably more because in most of those games there weren't any eligible females I found interesting or useful enough. I didn't have Shephard romance ANYONE in Mass Effect because for the character I had her made out to be in my mind, nobody who was available, (male or otherwise) "fit". Had there been an interesting available lady character, Shephard might have wound up with her with little thought on my part.
That better be a fucking joke.shimyia said:i dont wanna sound homophobic but... yea i just realized im a Homophobic fucken asshole
fuck y'all fags out there!!!
i get the creeps when i try to get the gay perk in fallout 3 and imideatly reload... even lesbians you might look hot but you are desacrating the human beings you should be...
soo yea... thats my comment:
i feel no respect to fags!!!
You don't want to offend MC In The Closet Homosexual with your Homophobic Fucking Asshole comments.
Good job Ben.
I like how into the game you got, reading your article really made me want to play a RPG the same way. I think the last RPG I played where I really got into it was KOTOR. Too bad there is almost 300 comments on your article and you probably wont get the chance to read this. *sigh* but I guess that's what happens when your a famous internet sensation. Oh well.
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I like how into the game you got, reading your article really made me want to play a RPG the same way. I think the last RPG I played where I really got into it was KOTOR. Too bad there is almost 300 comments on your article and you probably wont get the chance to read this. *sigh* but I guess that's what happens when your a famous internet sensation. Oh well.
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Its good to read something positive on this issue. While the addition of gay relationships in games makes me more likely to be more favourable towards a game, it has very little effect on if I want to buy the game or not. Yeh its nice to be able to be able to form a relationship with another man in a game but if the games a bag of arse im not going to buy it.
However Bioware can still suck a big fat cockcsicle over their farce of mass effect. Allowing Lesbian characters but not Gay characters is just pandering to sexually frustrated men. Im really starting to dislike Bioware as a company.
However Bioware can still suck a big fat cockcsicle over their farce of mass effect. Allowing Lesbian characters but not Gay characters is just pandering to sexually frustrated men. Im really starting to dislike Bioware as a company.
I like what New Vegas did with the gay perk. It's immediately available and gives +10% damage against the same sex. So if you're a guy it's very useful. So if you want to min/max a character, they're going to be gay. Yeah, that character dealt with his conflicted feelings by murdering every man on sight.
Thanks Yahtzee for once again putting the homophobic man-children in their place by recanting a very personal experience you had to us. You've already had my respect, but it's always an honor and a pleasure to read your columns.
Either Kirkwall is the San Fransico of Thedas or BioWare went overboard with the gay thing. Being an RPG, the option for a homosexual relation should be there. But I should not run into 3 gay NPCs in less than an hour.
Lets do as Yahtzee said and role play. While we live in the 21st century where homosexual relations are more or less accepted in western cultur, Hawke lives in a medieval world populated by racists and ruled by prejudice. Elves are forced to live in ghettos or be slaves. I am half expecting to see them in concentration camps in Dragon Age 3. Mages are forced to live in a closed community were they live and die at the whims of fanatical zealots. These are not open minded people. So why would they be the least bit accepting of homosexuals?
Should there be homosexual characters in Dragon Age? Yes. Should they be open about it? $&#* NO! They should be afraid of being drawn and quartered. It just fits with the rest of the world BioWare created.
Lets do as Yahtzee said and role play. While we live in the 21st century where homosexual relations are more or less accepted in western cultur, Hawke lives in a medieval world populated by racists and ruled by prejudice. Elves are forced to live in ghettos or be slaves. I am half expecting to see them in concentration camps in Dragon Age 3. Mages are forced to live in a closed community were they live and die at the whims of fanatical zealots. These are not open minded people. So why would they be the least bit accepting of homosexuals?
Should there be homosexual characters in Dragon Age? Yes. Should they be open about it? $&#* NO! They should be afraid of being drawn and quartered. It just fits with the rest of the world BioWare created.
I didn't see either Anders or Fenris as being out of character if they were sexually aggressive. Fenris seems very bold to me. He never keeps his opinions and rivalry to himself. Anders used to be quite promisicuous in Awakening (though he also seems heterosexual and is nearly a different person in that game) but still I see them both as bold me. Anders sure doesn't do anything half way.monnes said:
I know this isn't the point your making but yes, they're bisexual characters, not gay. That is a little odd and not realistic but it allows for the widest range of choice, which I think is what the devs. were going for. I just wish that people wouldn't continuously erase their dualistic attractions and say that they are gay but then such is so often the lot of the bisexual. Men in particular.
Didn't agree with them making them all technically BI. sort of lost me on the characters having the sort of verisimilitude to them. The world is made up of people who ARE only straight/gay/lesbian believe it or not.
Does that mean i'm against gays (i speak specifically gay men - as most people don't seem to have a problem with lesbianism) - certainly not.
Arcade Gannon in Fallout : New Vegas is a gay character - i didn't know this on my first play through because he never says a damn thing (he's super secretive), and i couldn't figure out how to unlock his personal quest. Did i use him - not a lot really, because i didn't really KNOW him all that well. After knowing he is gay does it change my perception of him? no, but now i know how to do his personal quest, so this should make things fun.
I did however take Veronica (my favorite NPC in that game) who told me her story with her female lover.
That was a game that didn't even have a romance, and in that playthrough i was putting myself into that world, i wasn't role playing as anyone in particular. I took her along with me EVERYWHERE. Not because she was a lesbian, but because she was an extremely likable and funny woman. At one point in the game I totally forgot about her sexuality, and she was just the funny girl in robes with a power fist to boot.
Look, when i say i disagreed with making all the characters BI, it does not come from a homophobic perspective. The argument of pushing on straights or trying to shame them for not getting into the 'free' love, isn't any better - in my view - then turning around and forcing (shaming) LGBT's back in the closet - because "it's bad mmmkay" . Some people in this world are only gonna be attracted to one sex or the other, yes there is some bleeding over but it's not often.
Typically in my canon playthrough, it's the one where i made my avatar an extension of myself. Personally have more fun playing that way. Have i gone out of my way to try and get out of my comfort zone? yeah, did it with Zevran in DA:O (the dialog choices for that one were hilarious - "What type of message do you mean?").
Please understand, i fell for the BI Leliana, I fell for the mono-gendered alien (albeit feminine physique) Liara, and the sealed up alien Tali'Zoryah. and in Dragon Age 2 i fell for Merrill (who is technically also BI)
In terms of my own real life, shouldn't have to show you my "I support LGBT rights card". could i be intimate with another man... uh no. could i be very good friends, we could hang out, go on vacations together, if i had kids even let them babysit them? yes, fairly easily. I take my friendships with those who happen to be gay in the same way i take my friendship with my other male friends - so long as we respect each others boundaries were cool on the matter.
Could i do the same with a lesbian who i'm physically attracted to - it would be very hard for me, that is a limitation of mine, i'd have a hard time trying not to make things awkward. so i leave a certain distance between her and I in terms of friendship.
P.S.
I find the terms Hawk-sexual and Shep-sexual to be very very silly (sometimes obnoxious) terms.
P.P.S.
was I able to find a 'technically' gay character in my male play through that i liked to play with. Anders at times was ok, but most of the time he was too "Your either with me or F off!". Fenris's story was a bit more interesting (I am curious about Tevinter Imperium) and used him for a while. still no though, neither one of them did i grow especially attached to. The only ones i attached with in DA2 from the companions were Merrill, Sabastian, Varric, Aveline, Bethany. Isabella was basically just very sweet eye candy for me, but i still didn't grow especially attached to her.
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Didn't agree with making them all BI, no i'm not a homophobe - do you care to know why? go read the post damn it.
Does that mean i'm against gays (i speak specifically gay men - as most people don't seem to have a problem with lesbianism) - certainly not.
Arcade Gannon in Fallout : New Vegas is a gay character - i didn't know this on my first play through because he never says a damn thing (he's super secretive), and i couldn't figure out how to unlock his personal quest. Did i use him - not a lot really, because i didn't really KNOW him all that well. After knowing he is gay does it change my perception of him? no, but now i know how to do his personal quest, so this should make things fun.
I did however take Veronica (my favorite NPC in that game) who told me her story with her female lover.
That was a game that didn't even have a romance, and in that playthrough i was putting myself into that world, i wasn't role playing as anyone in particular. I took her along with me EVERYWHERE. Not because she was a lesbian, but because she was an extremely likable and funny woman. At one point in the game I totally forgot about her sexuality, and she was just the funny girl in robes with a power fist to boot.
Look, when i say i disagreed with making all the characters BI, it does not come from a homophobic perspective. The argument of pushing on straights or trying to shame them for not getting into the 'free' love, isn't any better - in my view - then turning around and forcing (shaming) LGBT's back in the closet - because "it's bad mmmkay" . Some people in this world are only gonna be attracted to one sex or the other, yes there is some bleeding over but it's not often.
Typically in my canon playthrough, it's the one where i made my avatar an extension of myself. Personally have more fun playing that way. Have i gone out of my way to try and get out of my comfort zone? yeah, did it with Zevran in DA:O (the dialog choices for that one were hilarious - "What type of message do you mean?").
Please understand, i fell for the BI Leliana, I fell for the mono-gendered alien (albeit feminine physique) Liara, and the sealed up alien Tali'Zoryah. and in Dragon Age 2 i fell for Merrill (who is technically also BI)
In terms of my own real life, shouldn't have to show you my "I support LGBT rights card". could i be intimate with another man... uh no. could i be very good friends, we could hang out, go on vacations together, if i had kids even let them babysit them? yes, fairly easily. I take my friendships with those who happen to be gay in the same way i take my friendship with my other male friends - so long as we respect each others boundaries were cool on the matter.
Could i do the same with a lesbian who i'm physically attracted to - it would be very hard for me, that is a limitation of mine, i'd have a hard time trying not to make things awkward. so i leave a certain distance between her and I in terms of friendship.
P.S.
I find the terms Hawk-sexual and Shep-sexual to be very very silly (sometimes obnoxious) terms.
P.P.S.
was I able to find a 'technically' gay character in my male play through that i liked to play with. Anders at times was ok, but most of the time he was too "Your either with me or F off!". Fenris's story was a bit more interesting (I am curious about Tevinter Imperium) and used him for a while. still no though, neither one of them did i grow especially attached to. The only ones i attached with in DA2 from the companions were Merrill, Sabastian, Varric, Aveline, Bethany. Isabella was basically just very sweet eye candy for me, but i still didn't grow especially attached to her.
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R Didn't agree with making them all BI, no i'm not a homophobe - do you care to know why? go read the post damn it.
When I first read the Bio-Ware guys's post I liked what he had to say. Also playing a femail charecter I don't recall any of the guys hitting on her, and when I put the moves on Anders the first time he totally shut me down. Though I gut the seance he would have opened up eventually I ended up going for Merril, who was so adorable. ^_^
Anyway, back to the point. I'm the kind of person who prefers defined charecters. Back in the day it really peved me in Blade Runner that wether or not someone was a replicant depended on whether you tested them or not. So I probably would have just divyed up the differant orientations.
I think the way they went in DA:2 was the better option though. It seems everyone get's to remance anyone they wont. So yea, a little sexual ambiguity is a small price to pay for getting to romance any charecter that takes my fancy. At least that's how I see it.
Anyway, back to the point. I'm the kind of person who prefers defined charecters. Back in the day it really peved me in Blade Runner that wether or not someone was a replicant depended on whether you tested them or not. So I probably would have just divyed up the differant orientations.
I think the way they went in DA:2 was the better option though. It seems everyone get's to remance anyone they wont. So yea, a little sexual ambiguity is a small price to pay for getting to romance any charecter that takes my fancy. At least that's how I see it.