That barely made sense and wasn't at all funny. You obviously haven't taken my advice seriously. Next time you make a joke, try to make it funny. You'll get it, don't worry.SpiderJerusalem said:
Extra Punctuation: Roleplaying Homosexual in Dragon Age 2
- Thread starter Yahtzee Croshaw
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Actually the difference isn't relating it to sexuality (the Nazis killed a lot of homosexuals, too, as I recall), it's more the sense of scale. Hundreds of people bashing one person? Doubtful that they all are doing it as a way to deny more positive feelings toward that person or what they represent. One person making a big deal out of denying X quality about themselves? That falls under the heading of, "The lady doth protest too much, methinks." When you go out of your way to deny something - in this case by going so far as to start a fight over it when a simple "Not interested" accomplishes the same goal - it gives people reason to wonder why you're making such a big deal about it, as though it's hitting closer to home than it should.jawakiller said:
It comes up frequently in discussing sexuality, particularly with regard to men and homosexuality, because of social constructs around the concept: expectations of what men are supposed to be and how they're supposed to act vs. what's actually going on, wanting to live up to those expectations, the differences between blahblahblahthisisnottheforumforasocialscienceslectureblahblahblah which is why, if you think about it, you're better off with the gel soles rather than hiking boots when corralling pythons anyway.
Edit: point of clarification, I'm not insinuating anything about your sexual preferences by pointing this out. I'm only observing that others who witness your actions might come to conclusions other than those you intend for them to derive from your behavior.
This almost makes me regret romancing Merrill on my first playthrough. If I were to go for Anders at another time, I already know what's going to happen so it won't have nearly the same impact first time around.
Oh, and "So I herd you liekMudkipz Tepigz."
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The "flaming" issue, eh? Heh.Shjade said:
Someone said they thought it was a sad sad commentary that so many people were discussing the romance in Bioware. I think it's awesome. Yay bioware, yay frank discussions about love and sexuality, yay for video gaming growing the fuck up a little already.
I, male gamer, never followed a male-male relationship in DA/DA2 yet(female-female though, rawr) so far. I actually considered doing that just to experience this aspect of the game but I never found any of the romance options to appeal to me in any sense. Especially Anders. I disliked the character as a whole in DA2, no way I would romance him, as male or female Hawke.
The few gay come-ons (jeez that sounds wrong
) I experienced from male characters were just... weird. Not "uuuh, disgusting!" weird just "ooooh kay... thank you but no thank you, that's not the way I roll" weird.
Maybe if there was a compelling gay npc to romance, I might actually do it but so far that was not the case for me.
The few gay come-ons (jeez that sounds wrong
) I experienced from male characters were just... weird. Not "uuuh, disgusting!" weird just "ooooh kay... thank you but no thank you, that's not the way I roll" weird.Maybe if there was a compelling gay npc to romance, I might actually do it but so far that was not the case for me.
To me Fenris seems very aggressive. He's really the least shy to bug me about not crushing a mages head in randomly. I'm currently romancing him and its been a bit of a pill because he's just so damn pushy!monnes said:
Good luck with that futile debate your having there. I guess at least on the bright side though is that gay men would improve your odds with the straight ladies around there in Non-Hicksville. So there is that.jawakiller said:
OT: liked the article, I got that way with Alistair in DAO, obviously. I don't get the big deal about it. In Jade Empire I liked to seduce the princess because the character was strong and seemed a good match for my lady spirit monk. Then again I'm a chick and there's that BS double standard that two chicks is hot and two dudes are not.
Depends on how you interpret it. He never explicitly says in Awakenings that he doesn't like men, and he's not gay, he's bisexual. So it's not so much a retcon, as just clarifying something that was never brought up before.ImmortalDrifter said:
I am just against relationships in games, in general. Mostly because the mechanics are almost always shallow and the canned interactions sort of break my suspension of disbelief. I'm the same way about karma mechanics. I much prefer something more free flowing and organic, like in the Fallout games or Red Dead - You're free to play a character that is not just 100% good or bad, but maybe something in between. You could even play a character who was bad, but everyone thought was good.
I would love to see such fluid mechanics in an RPGs relationship system, but I just don't see that happening any time in the near future. If it does evolve to that point though, I think players should have the freedom to choose whatever gender or race they'd like.
I would love to see such fluid mechanics in an RPGs relationship system, but I just don't see that happening any time in the near future. If it does evolve to that point though, I think players should have the freedom to choose whatever gender or race they'd like.
What an interesting bit of text. Yahtzee proves with this text that even for its many flaws, DA II is still fun to play. And that's all you can ask for, isn't it.
ehm maybe, i don't knowShjade said:
the conclusion was more the other way around: people who have a problem with gay men would have their character do "a real mans job" and kill stuff and get smeared with blood and stuff. Those same people may consider healing and caring for others to be a job for people who they consider not to be "real men", namely females and gays.
i know this is a bit of a stretch and there are also a lot of people who just don't like to heal themselves but this is what years of playing online have taught me
You can't but he makes a lot of comments that indicates it. Such as "I wish i could just retire to the countryside with a plump wife and several nubile mistresses." or "Velanna, did you know i find women with tattoos extremely attractive?". Added to the fact that you can flirt with him when you are female but not male.Macrobstar said:
confused gay men do this all the time. the ones struggling with their sexuality will try to get anything female on board in the hopes of hiding their confusion from the world, especially if they have some influence telling them that Homosexuality is Bad and You Do Not Like It. chances are, the intention was for him to become comfortable with it or he just kind of did it between games.Sniper Team 4 said:
as for the article, i'm glad to hear this perspective be brought up for discussion, because i feel that the anti-gay sentiment in the mainstream media, though it has gone down a lot as people become more educated about homosexuality, is aggressive enough that gays are still an acceptable target of hate borne from confusion. men who are confused about their feelings or worried about being accepted by their peers if they so much as admit to having any are not alone in the world, and that confusion is certainly not specific to any single orientation. gay men and straight men are exactly the same for most of their lives-confused about sex and not sure they're doing the whole "social interaction" thing right until they are old enough to be comfortable in themselves. i applaud a game that caters not only to all sexual orientations (there's even an option for no romance, after all), but to both the audience who has found comfort in being someone else while accepting the details as they come up, like yahtzee, and those who have not yet discovered a comfort zone in that, like the anti-gay-romance campaign on the bioware forums. there really, truly is something in this game for everyone, so can we please just get along now?
Actually, my friend: by acting violent towards gays who "hit" on you instead of simply saying, "No thanks, I'm not gay" you are acting homophobic; i.e.; exhibiting a negative attitude towards homosexuals and homosexual attitudes.jawakiller said:
There have been scientific studies done showing that this is a sign of insecurity in your own sexuality. If you were secure in your sexuality, you could say "no thanks" without an issue. Saying that women need to know you're not gay and the only way they can know this is if you "beat up" gay men for hitting on you - which sounds suspiciously like internet bragging and not anything that has ever actually happened to you - that is quite sad. And it does indeed point to latent homosexual desires that you yourself may be hiding.
In other words, men secure in their sexuality don't need to beat up gays for being hit on. That sounds as ridiculous as gay men saying they need to beat women who hit on them so other gay men know they aren't straight.
Here's a link to the study, one of many:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8772014
Abstract:
The authors investigated the role of homosexual arousal in exclusively heterosexual men who admitted negative affect toward homosexual individuals. Participants consisted of a group of homophobic men (n = 35) and a group of nonhomophobic men (n = 29); they were assigned to groups on the basis of their scores on the Index of Homophobia (W. W. Hudson & W. A. Ricketts, 1980). The men were exposed to sexually explicit erotic stimuli consisting of heterosexual, male homosexual, and lesbian videotapes, and changes in penile circumference were monitored. They also completed an Aggression Questionnaire (A. H. Buss & M. Perry, 1992). Both groups exhibited increases in penile circumference to the heterosexual and female homosexual videos. Only the homophobic men showed an increase in penile erection to male homosexual stimuli. The groups did not differ in aggression. Homophobia is apparently associated with homosexual arousal that the homophobic individual is either unaware of or denies.
ONLY the homophobic men - defined as men who have "admitted negative effect" towards homosexuals - got erections when watching gay porn. Kind of interesting, isn't it?
If you are so insecure and frightened that the only way you can fend off a gay advance is to attack the man, that is just sad; plain and simple. If, as I suspect, this is internet e-peen arguing then you just need to realize your attitude makes you look immature.
There's a simple way to fend off a gay advance - say no thanks. It's the same way I "fend off" advances from both men and women who hit on me that I find unattractive.
If you believe that heterosexuality is the way to go, that's fine. I don't think there's a single gay man out there who would care to "convert" you - but there are very easy ways to fend off unwanted attention. (Just ask women; they've been dealing with unwanted attention from men who objectify them for many, many years.) You say "no thanks" and move on.
And if the women you hang out with seriously need to see you "beat down" a man to "prove" you're not gay; you need to find some new women to hang with, my friend.
In the meantime, you might want to consider those studies on homophobia. No self-confidant straight man feels the need to resort to violence to handle a simple come-on. That's just ridiculous and immature and... well, it speaks more to your own fears about yourself than it does to gays.
The reason people say this about sexuality is that study after study (and homophobic republican after homophobic republican) shows that those who react with violence towards homosexuals are the ones who have... well, let's just say they're the one with some things they're hiding.
Perhaps even from themselves. No normal, mentally healthy individual responds to somebody "hitting on them" with violence.
And if you do like violence against gays for its own sake, might I suggest attending an "International Men of Leather" convention? You'll see plenty of very manly, very large gay men there more than happy to respond to your violence with some violence of their own.
They've even done studies on it, like the one I provided to him above -Shjade said:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8772014
"The authors investigated the role of homosexual arousal in exclusively heterosexual men who admitted negative affect toward homosexual individuals. Participants consisted of a group of homophobic men (n = 35) and a group of nonhomophobic men (n = 29); they were assigned to groups on the basis of their scores on the Index of Homophobia (W. W. Hudson & W. A. Ricketts, 1980). The men were exposed to sexually explicit erotic stimuli consisting of heterosexual, male homosexual, and lesbian videotapes, and changes in penile circumference were monitored. They also completed an Aggression Questionnaire (A. H. Buss & M. Perry, 1992). Both groups exhibited increases in penile circumference to the heterosexual and female homosexual videos. Only the homophobic men showed an increase in penile erection to male homosexual stimuli. The groups did not differ in aggression. Homophobia is apparently associated with homosexual arousal that the homophobic individual is either unaware of or denies."