The problem with yay/nay is that the mediocre can get a really high rating. Urbanspoon does this, and we keep wishing for a more nuanced scale (even just a yay/meh/nay). Went to an italian restaurant the other day with a 95% on Urbanspoon. It was...fine. Not great, not good. Fine. Harmless. What do I rate that?
Extra Punctuation: Yahtzee Could Have Written Duke Nukem Forever
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I'm still gunshy from Bioshock. Everyone raved how good the story was when it was barely above "has a story" level.
Then nobody wrote about the STALKER story that was totally fresh and original even if it wasn't a LONG story it certainly fit the mythology that was being built.
But between this and the video review it looks like it will be worth picking up.
Then nobody wrote about the STALKER story that was totally fresh and original even if it wasn't a LONG story it certainly fit the mythology that was being built.
But between this and the video review it looks like it will be worth picking up.
As much as I adored both Infamous games, I agree that this would be a nice place to leave them. If there is another game, I reckon it should be completely unrelated, borrowing only the name and gameplay, kinda like BioShock Infinite is doing. Oooh you know what'd be cool? An Infamous game set in a sort of gothic noir setting a la Batman: The Animated Series.
As I said in the review, I'm completely dumbfounded by your praise of inFAMOUS 2's story. I loathed it. [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/326.296612-Hypnotic-reviews-inFAMOUS-2#11728410]
But damn, it would be so awesome if you had written DNF. Make the sequel!
But damn, it would be so awesome if you had written DNF. Make the sequel!
I had the same feeling once I had beaten the story. I remember thinking when I first beat inFAMOUS 1 "I wonder how they'll stretch this out to three games?" And while playing inFAMOUS 2 it was starting to become obvious that they really couldn't, which worried me further.Yahtzee Croshaw said:
However they ended it after the second one. As you said, respect to Sucker Punch!
Yahtzee's experience with 3D Realms pretty much confirms why this game was so rubbish. They clearly got caught up in their own hype and decided that a macho misogynist action hero was an awesome character and they would base the humour around him being better than everyone else, instead of allowing you to laugh at Duke.
Actually, InFamous 3 could be made.
Captcha: "nomeki schonmann," esquire.
In Infamous 1, we are told that The Beast is coming, and would bring about the destruction of the world (and the moon), but in 2, The Beast leaves only Conduits alive and isn't actively apocalypse-causing. Now, this might mean Kessler's timeline's Beast could pull the same thing that Kessler did and go back in time. This raises questions as to the nature of Cole's sacrifice, or his greed, how would he be able to fight an apocalyptic creature when it was actually world ending? Instead of humanity/conduit ending sort. Which makes me ask this, was John actually the Beast in the Kessler's timeline? Or was it another creature/ Evil Cole?
Captcha: "nomeki schonmann," esquire.
***SLIGHT SPOILER WARNING***
If You haven't Yet finished the game, Don't read this post, I warned you, if you do so, Dont cry to me.
good read, Though i'm not entirely sure Sucker Punch did end Infamous 2 with complete finality, the very end of the last clip as the boat drifts away out of sight(good story anyway yet to bother completing evil), a massive lightning bolt strikes in the same area sooo... that COULD lead onto OMG COLE IS ALIVE!... so i'm skeptical on there being No infamous 3.... i've seen sequels come from endings with more finality than that..
If You haven't Yet finished the game, Don't read this post, I warned you, if you do so, Dont cry to me.
good read, Though i'm not entirely sure Sucker Punch did end Infamous 2 with complete finality, the very end of the last clip as the boat drifts away out of sight(good story anyway yet to bother completing evil), a massive lightning bolt strikes in the same area sooo... that COULD lead onto OMG COLE IS ALIVE!... so i'm skeptical on there being No infamous 3.... i've seen sequels come from endings with more finality than that..
I was really just speaking for myself. I only ever really got into Duke Nukem 3D though. So naturally all I was after was more of the same but prettier. If someone were to extensively complain about Halo not having ten weapons and a platoon of enemies you could say "It's not trying to be Duke Nukem" but... At least I can play inFAMOUS 2 now.Zhukov said:
yahtzee needs to be given a project that isn't franchised. that way risks can be taken and he can debute as a scriptwriter. its disapointing to find out he didn't get the go ahead for duke and can also been seen as if he isn't a talented enough writer but i have faith that he could produce a worthy game. that said after reading mogworld which wasn't a work of art but an entertaining worthwhile read.
It has the guise of being very good, because it surprises you in the end by actually ending.Zhukov said:
Every new IP these days is marketed from the get-go as a trilogy atleast, and inFamous seemed to be no different. So when the sequel suddenly had a definitive ending, it felt like an unexpected goodbye. I didn't find the story or characters that good either, but both endings to inFamous 2 did leave a positive impression on me, more so then most other games I've played this year.
Maybe he should try LBP2. It isn't only based on platforming anymore, it has top-down hack and slash, basic RPG's, point and click, racing and even FPS levels.
Yahtzee pondering the notion of playing the Sly Cooper series... all I can say is DO EET, DO EET NAOO.
In all seriousness I wonder why he hasn't tried them sooner since he is such an avid fan of the Thief games since the only thing you do in Sly is steal shit
In all seriousness I wonder why he hasn't tried them sooner since he is such an avid fan of the Thief games since the only thing you do in Sly is steal shit
Man if Yahtzee had written the script it would of drastically changed dukes character, wouldn't really work if duke wondered about calling everyone twat-biscuits and waving his cringe worthy member at pig cops. I'm not exactly apposed to him writing a script for a game, there would be lots of games he would be perfect for, id really like to see what he'd come up with if he were to write a script for a survival horror game, could really have something special.
Oh and am i the only one who would love to see a remake of the infamous Spanish town slaughter in resident evil 4 but instead of gonados it's zero's imps? No?
Oh and am i the only one who would love to see a remake of the infamous Spanish town slaughter in resident evil 4 but instead of gonados it's zero's imps? No?
On the subject of DNF, it would only have been a positive step, had our beloved Yahtzee been in charge. Then again, it would have been a positive step had a lobotomized monkey been in charge of the whole thing, so ya.
I could see there be a lot more "have I mentioned I'm not gay" from Duke, had Mr. Croshaw been writing
"No, these twin schoolgirl strippers aren't overcompensating for anything. Why would you even think that?" in a cheeky British accent.
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On the subject of sequels, file me under "I don't get it." I don't get why every game MUST have a sequel hook and a direct followup. Why not follow the RPG strategy (Final Fantasy, Elder Scrolls, Diablo, etc) and just make completely unrelated sequels in a somewhat similar universe.
For example, if Bioshock had gone straight from #1 to Infinite, I'd be much more forgiving. You can still call it BioShock and thus remind people of the awesome game you already made in order to draw in your loyal customers. But at the same time, put it in a completely different setting with completely different characters. You can make some lore tie-in, if you're so inclined, but let games end. Let the stories be told, give us closure and leave it at that. If you want to do a trilogy, set it up as such from the beginning and don't try to shoehorn in a sequel where none deserves to be.
Worst case scenario, your sequel gets delayed over a decade and becomes some crazy internet phenomenon, at which point the FINALLY released sequel sells well enough to pull a profit despite being complete and utter crap. And on the subject of DNF: FULL CIRCLE BABY!
I could see there be a lot more "have I mentioned I'm not gay" from Duke, had Mr. Croshaw been writing
"No, these twin schoolgirl strippers aren't overcompensating for anything. Why would you even think that?" in a cheeky British accent..
On the subject of sequels, file me under "I don't get it." I don't get why every game MUST have a sequel hook and a direct followup. Why not follow the RPG strategy (Final Fantasy, Elder Scrolls, Diablo, etc) and just make completely unrelated sequels in a somewhat similar universe.
For example, if Bioshock had gone straight from #1 to Infinite, I'd be much more forgiving. You can still call it BioShock and thus remind people of the awesome game you already made in order to draw in your loyal customers. But at the same time, put it in a completely different setting with completely different characters. You can make some lore tie-in, if you're so inclined, but let games end. Let the stories be told, give us closure and leave it at that. If you want to do a trilogy, set it up as such from the beginning and don't try to shoehorn in a sequel where none deserves to be.
Worst case scenario, your sequel gets delayed over a decade and becomes some crazy internet phenomenon, at which point the FINALLY released sequel sells well enough to pull a profit despite being complete and utter crap. And on the subject of DNF: FULL CIRCLE BABY!
MR.Spartacus said:
Just a quick point on the Halo thing... I gave it credit at the time for being "new" and original. Not many games limited your weapon inventory like that (I can only think of Soldier of Fortune, though I'm probably forgetting something) I can't remember any games before it with a melee attack built in like it (a melee weapon, sure, but smacking someone with your rifle was new to me) and NO ONE had done the regenerating health thing.
At the time it was new and fresh and exciting. It allowed the developers to tune every encounter much better. They KNEW roughly how much health you had at all times (except mid fire-fight) and they KNEW you weren't packing a BGF9000 with full ammo in your back pocket while you fired a minigun, rocket launcher and shotgun all willy nilly.
However, given the myriad of games that cribbed those notes so thoroughly, I for one am over it. Save us, Serious Sam!
somone did a mistake and did not let you to continue writing DNF. i mean, you couldn't have done a worse job anyway.
UGC usually gives longvivity to the game. most of sandbox games get boring after you explroe everything in them. however if there is new UGC coming all the time you keep playing if the game is good. this is why there are people still playing gta vice city and San Andreas still has huge amount of players.
UGC usually gives longvivity to the game. most of sandbox games get boring after you explroe everything in them. however if there is new UGC coming all the time you keep playing if the game is good. this is why there are people still playing gta vice city and San Andreas still has huge amount of players.