Fair and Balanced...O'Really?

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Alex_P

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Pumpkin_Eater said:
Bill Maher? Well first of all there is the problem of him being a comedian and not a journalist.
Stewart and his ilk actually turn their professions into a way to behave more like journalists, not less. The essence of satire is speaking truth to power, after all.

So, really, the problem is that Maher's not only a comedian, but not very good at it, either.

-- Alex
 

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jboking said:
Relating back to the point you brought up about him not being biased. Calling people, whether they are wrong or not, "Loons" is not a the way to look fair and balanced. His interviewer was also clearly antagonizing Terkel. Furthermore, calling Terkel a villian for outlining something O'Reilly had said is ridiculous and yet another way to come of as biased. "Did you catch the Mel Gibson component?", is it a crime for her not to remember something that is online and in writing? They caught her off guard and did it purposely to make this girl look dumb. If they wanted to be fair, they could have at least informed her at least a day beforehand that they wanted to speak with her regarding something she had written so she could at least go back and read it.

It's despicable and unsportsmanlike.
So you can't call someone out when they take something you said out of context? It's too much to expect someone to listen to a whole segment before they slander you for what you said in it?
What if it wasn't slander and they are deliberatly trying to catch her off guard so it looks that way. You can call someone out, but give them some time to justify themselves, give them some ground to fight on instead of automatically taking the "Holier than thou" approach. Furthermore, there is nothing to say she didn't listen to the whole segment other than O'Reilly's own word, which I would say is a little biased in the situation. Again, expecting her to remember something she had written a decent amount of time in the past in a career field that requires you write in copious amounts every day is ridiculous. It's the same as if I were to ask you about a forum you posted in two weeks ago, be very vague about what you said, and then bring up something completely different from the thread you posted in and continually baraged you with the phrase, "Do you remember that? Hum, Do you?"
Yes catching her off guard did have the effect of making her look dumb, but do you really think someone that opposed to your organization would agree to make an appearance if you did request it?
It happens all the time man, if it didn't then why the hell would Bill Maher keep coming on O'Reillys show? It's a matter of reputation. If O'Reilly wanted to bash her for continually refusing requests to speak on the subject I would have no problem with it. I would even see the bashing as acceptable, but thats not what he endorsed here.
That kind of interview is the only way that they would have been able to get her to address those questions, and again: it's not that unusual to an interview someone like that. Although most of the time you just get "no comment" journalists and camera crews just come up to people in the news quite often and ask away.
You want O'Reilly to be the most "Fair and Balanced", but you try to justify his actions based on the poor moral actions others have taken? Remember, Just because it's not unusual doesn't mean it isn't unfair.

It's legal and it's ethical.
"We cant get a statement out of person A so lets follow them around and constantly ask them questions until they crack or better yet, lets do it in a large group so they'll crack faster." It's legal, but it's far from ethical.

Also, you didn't really adress O'Reilly mudslinging by calling people "Loons" and "Villains".
 

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Well kids it's been fun disagreeing with you and pretending to support Bill O'Reilly, but it's almost 1:00 here and I should have been asleep an hour ago at the latest. You stay classy, Escapist!

In closing, the opinions and beliefs stated in this thread were creative works of fiction and falsehood. Only a fool would take anything I said as a fact.
 

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EDIT EDIT EDIT

Pumpkin_Eater said:
Well kids it's been fun disagreeing with you and pretending to support Bill O'Reilly, but it's almost 1:00 here and I should have been asleep an hour ago at the latest. You stay classy, Escapist!

In closing, the opinions and beliefs stated in this thread were creative works of fiction and falsehood. Only a fool would take anything I said as a fact.
Thank God. I had begun to lose hope in humanity there for a second. DON'T DO THAT TO ME.

lolz
 

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jboking said:
I've never had a huge problem with O'Reilly on the O'Reilly Factor. He is kid of a douche on the radio though, and it is there where my only problems with the guy come to light.

See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxMidi2TofY&feature=related
Yeah, that was a douche move, but who doesn't blow their top every now and then? I know that I do all the time, but I don't have every tantrum I throw broadcast live to the entire nation. If you read between the lines, that's all that happened, you can tell he's frustrated even at the very beginning, he was probably having a really crummy day and his frustration got the better of him. I'm not arguing that he's perfect by any means.
When I read between the lines I notice that he was legitimately wrong in his assertion and directly opposed something he said earlier in the radio show. Subsequently, he blew his top and cut his own partners mic in order to preserve his fragile ego and credibility. He didn't want to get called out (like he would do to some many others) on something he said and decided to pull a giant douche move on one of his coworkers to get out of it. I'm amazed he couldn't handle this in an adult manner and admit he was wrong.
 

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Pumpkin_Eater said:
Well kids it's been fun disagreeing with you and pretending to support Bill O'Reilly, but it's almost 1:00 here and I should have been asleep an hour ago at the latest. You stay classy, Escapist!

In closing, the opinions and beliefs stated in this thread were creative works of fiction and falsehood. Only a fool would take anything I said as a fact.
Successful troll is successful. To add a little meat to this post.
Urban Dictionary said:
[HEADING=2]Troll[/HEADING]
One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument
Bravo good sir. You got me.
 

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Pumpkin_Eater said:
Well kids it's been fun disagreeing with you and pretending to support Bill O'Reilly, but it's almost 1:00 here and I should have been asleep an hour ago at the latest. You stay classy, Escapist!

In closing, the opinions and beliefs stated in this thread were creative works of fiction and falsehood. Only a fool would take anything I said as a fact.
Good lord, you actually sounded legitimate.

...I'm not sure whether to be pissed off or impressed.
 

McClaud

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Some trolls are humorous.

Pumpkin did an good job of being one bordering on neurotic and brain-dead.

So I give him a 7 out of 10 for good acting!
 

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Fox is one step removed from Springer. CNN is the only station which has earned more of my ire, for that Nancy Grace harpy.
 

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Pumpkin_Eater said:
So are you saying that there are two Bills? One that we see on television and hear on the radio and another Bill that we know nothing about?
EDIT: You were joking? Ok, then.
 

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Pumpkin_Eater said:
Well kids it's been fun disagreeing with you and pretending to support Bill O'Reilly, but it's almost 1:00 here and I should have been asleep an hour ago at the latest. You stay classy, Escapist!

In closing, the opinions and beliefs stated in this thread were creative works of fiction and falsehood. Only a fool would take anything I said as a fact.
Wow. Just...

*begins slow clap*

Oscar worthy. A+

jboking said:
Pumpkin_Eater said:
Well kids it's been fun disagreeing with you and pretending to support Bill O'Reilly, but it's almost 1:00 here and I should have been asleep an hour ago at the latest. You stay classy, Escapist!

In closing, the opinions and beliefs stated in this thread were creative works of fiction and falsehood. Only a fool would take anything I said as a fact.
Successful troll is successful. To add a little meat to this post.
Urban Dictionary said:
[HEADING=2]Troll[/HEADING]
One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument
Bravo good sir. You got me.
I'm usually against trolls, but I genuinely think that this was to spur discussion, not disruption.
 

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slackbheep said:
Fox is one step removed from Springer. CNN is the only station which has earned more of my ire, for that Nancy Grace harpy.
Oh God yes. I hate that lady too.

Can we PLEASE stop talking about the children? She wouldn't budge from that one murder case for like three whole months. How fucking long can she talk about that shit before we all want to strangle the shit out her? Apparently, three months, because she moved onto ANOTHER child murder and started beating it with the Dead Horse Beating Stick.
 

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orannis62 said:
Pumpkin_Eater said:
Well kids it's been fun disagreeing with you and pretending to support Bill O'Reilly, but it's almost 1:00 here and I should have been asleep an hour ago at the latest. You stay classy, Escapist!

In closing, the opinions and beliefs stated in this thread were creative works of fiction and falsehood. Only a fool would take anything I said as a fact.
Wow. Just...

*begins slow clap*

Oscar worthy. A+

jboking said:
Pumpkin_Eater said:
Well kids it's been fun disagreeing with you and pretending to support Bill O'Reilly, but it's almost 1:00 here and I should have been asleep an hour ago at the latest. You stay classy, Escapist!

In closing, the opinions and beliefs stated in this thread were creative works of fiction and falsehood. Only a fool would take anything I said as a fact.
Successful troll is successful. To add a little meat to this post.
Urban Dictionary said:
[HEADING=2]Troll[/HEADING]
One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument
Bravo good sir. You got me.
I'm usually against trolls, but I genuinely think that this was to spur discussion, not disruption.
I am of the firm belief that disruption and argument can cause some of the best discussions ever. It's pretty fun to argue against the seemingly insane.
 

PTSpyder

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No, not really. Stuff like this happens all the time. If anyone is less guilty of things like this it would be foxnews.
 

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I would like a Bill O'Reilly supporter to tell me how attacking a 9/11 victims son because he didn't support the war in Iraq is justifiable? Bill is the biggest douchebag on television.