Fallout 3 arguments.....

[Jandau]

Funny how nobody accuses Baldur's Gate 2 of being an RTS, even though the control scheme is an RTS one...

I'm guessing that the reason is that BG2 is turn based and thus isn't real time.

If anyone has responded, sorry for the repetition.

You never played BG2, did you?

Yes, I did. Bought it on release date back in the day. I'm still claiming that it's turn based, per AD&D. You think it's wrong?
I'm not talking about the controls as such. They can indeed be likened to RTS, but the core of the game is turn based.

It's not pure turn based. Temple of Elemental Evil was turn based. Baldur's Gate is real time, although the mechanics play out mostly along the lines of AD&D. And the control scheme is very much an RTS one for the most part.

Also, way to miss the point in my original post. It's not about BG being realtime or turnbased, it's about genres. If it would please you more, go reread my post but replace real-time with turn-based in refference to BG2...

 

[Frank_Sinatra_]

When someone asks you is it an FPS or an RPG you must respond. "Yes"

 

[squid5580]

It's the Reese Peanut Buttercup of video games.

"You got FPS in my RPG"

"No! You got RPG in my FPS."

"MMMMMMM tasty"

 

[teh_gunslinger]

It's not pure turn based. Temple of Elemental Evil was turn based. Baldur's Gate is real time, although the mechanics play out mostly along the lines of AD&D. And the control scheme is very much an RTS one for the most part.

Also, way to miss the point in my original post. It's not about BG being realtime or turn based, it's about genres. If it would please you more, go reread my post but replace real-time with turn-based in reference to BG2...

Look, I don't disagree with your first post. I never meant that you were wrong, just that the reason I never thought of BG2 in connection with RTS is that the mechanics of combat is turn based, even if they are also real time.
This is not actually an argument that leads anywhere. I don't actually disagree with your, I just wanted to give a possible answer to your question.
Never mind.

 

[Sethran]

It's an FPS/RPG, which is what any hybrid is called >_> An Action/RTS, an Action/Adventure, a Survival/Horror... etc.

Also, for those who don't understand -- RPG is a Role Playing Game, meaning you play the role of a set character through a storyline involving him and his adventures/misadventures/whathaveyou. That doesn't mean it has to be played a specific way >_> The only reason Fallout 3 is an FPS/RPG and not just an RPG is because it can be played from the first person perspective. That's it @_@

Oblivion was also an FPS/RPG, although it was more FPM [First Person Melee] than FPS...

 

[jessieanne]

I agree with your first thought. It's kinda autistic to have to stick labels and genre's on everything, dont you think?

 

[orifice]

Its a really poor FPS and a pretty damn good RPG. The fact that VATs is infinitely more useful than aiming in its shoddy FPS engine confirms this. When I had come to terms with this I was placated.

I still wish it had left the shooting to a solid FPS element and then RPG'd the rest of the game. After all when it comes to choosing between blasting and blathering, I'd rather blast. Give the shooting for free and I might consider talking.

There are some useful mods to reduce the auto aim to nearly none at all. this makes shooting outside of vats more viable and fun.

 

[MalthusX]

It is an RPG with an FPS tacked onto the side of it, like some shooter games have stats or customization tacked on.

Fallout also is, if you are a fan of post-apocalyptic fiction, pure liqui-joy.

 

[pillaysteven]

It's called a WRPG, just like Oblivion. Just because there's guns doesn't mean it isn't a WRPG.

 

[WingedFortress]

It' a Western RPG. Or at least what the media keeps referring to it as.

Thats strange, i didn't see many gunslingers and horses in it.

You know what's also strange? I don't see any chinese people in russia, but apparently THATS eastern. Like, wtf?

 

[sirsolo]

In all truth, Role Playing games can't really be done exceptionally well on a computer/console. They're much better in person. But Fallout 3 got pretty close.. and it has guns.. wouldn't say First person shooter as the third person capabilities.. and there are ways to completely bypass the first person shooting.. so lets call it an Action RPG?

 

[squid5580]

It' a Western RPG. Or at least what the media keeps referring to it as.

Thats strange, i didn't see many gunslingers and horses in it.

ehm did you look at the sheriff in megaton?

Yeah, just some weirdo with authority issues and a silly hat.

What about the Regulators? Too bad horses couldn't survive the radiation.

 

[Infiniteloop]

Engrossing experience trumps genre classification any day.

 

[thurauh1]

The combat in Fallout 3 is shooter-like; you point with your gun in realtime, and then you hit the enemy. However, how well you aim and how well you'll hit will be determined by your stats, skills and abilities. The same goes for Mass Effect.

The dialogue and story and the (mild) choice & consesequence you face in both Mass Effect and Fallout 3 is what make them (action) RPGs, not shooters like Gears of War or Call of Duty 4.

And Mass Effect can best be compared to a third person squad based tactical shooter - when it comes to the combat, I mean.

 

[SimuLord]

Simply put, it's VATS that changes Fallout 3 from a true hybrid into more of a straightforward RPG, at least as straightforward as Oblivion was, anyway. Come to think of it, you could play Oblivion as a sort of bow-and-arrow based FPS if you really wanted to (and I have, with a little help from the Bosmer's racials.)

 

[TopHatTim]

its not just an FPS or an RPG its both...so its an FPSRPG

 

[Padfoot13]

how about we call it a game, stop all our whinning, and have lunch...prefably at quiznos.

 

[MiracleOfSound]

Actually I'm having breakfast at Gary's, but I'll still sell to you.

 

[Pillypill]

I saw it here some where i think RPS is most fitting.

 

[Fallingwater]

It is both, obviously. As Oblivion before it, and Morrowind, and Deus ex, and several others.