Exactly my thought. It tears this whole shakey story apart.Skeleon said:Wait, so that hoax was about the Institute, assumedly, and those leaks are, too? Coincidence?
Exactly my thought. It tears this whole shakey story apart.Skeleon said:Wait, so that hoax was about the Institute, assumedly, and those leaks are, too? Coincidence?
There's lots of reasons to believe this is yet another cruel hoax, but in terms of what TS2299 set up with Boston and the Institute, that was already rumored back in 2012. I don't remember where the rumors came from, but one thing I do know is that I've been expecting the setting for the new Fallout to be in Boston for over a year now.Skeleon said:Wait, so that hoax was about the Institute, assumedly, and those leaks are, too? Coincidence?
Agreed. This smells like another trick. It's too similar to the teasers he was making on the 2299 website. And I believe someone else mentioned the Bethesda employees at Boston was a fake as well.Lil_Rimmy said:Heeeeey guys?
Not sure if anyone has posted this yet, but if you read the AMA on Reddit, the guy who made the hoax based it off of a script. Which he made about a year ago. And he then adapted into the whole Survivor 2299.
So I'm pretty sure there has just been a big balls up, and you have found the prankster's's original script. Unless I am mistaken, because he defiantly said it was based off a script made about a year ago, which he had uploaded and I think was re-uploading to show Reddit. Oh boy.
I disagreeUltratwinkie said:1945? Atomic energy? Why do I get a feeling this is a huge fake? And if it is real then Bethesda got worse at storytelling.
Especially when they imply there was peace and good will after World War II. Especially when they say Atomic power wasn't used as a damn weapon in fallout. The very first Fallout, and even Fallout 3 made it very clear they valued nuclear weapons above all else. Even dismantling the space program to turn them into nukes.
So the world ended in 2077, and the guy talks about World War II. So that's over 132 years ago. World War II is so irrelevant in Fallout's timeline its not even funny. It may be relevant to our timeline, but Fallout is so far in the future its ridiculous to even call back to it.
Hell, Nixon was president in Fallout's timeline. Yet no one cared to talk about that either because it was also a century ago.
Its like an American patriot still angry over the war of 1812 "destroying America." In 2013. It disregards the changes that can happen in 132 years between Fallout and World War II. Which was so drastic its not even the same universe anymore.
Thing is that all the tiny wars were more or less irrelevant on grand scaleUltratwinkie said:So in the resource wars, people skip the entire cold war and every war after that which led to the resource wars?
This Cold War had been going on for over a century. No one cares about World War II in Fallout because its such ancient history by that point. It wasn't the most recent conflict either. Everything is still wrapped up in the cold war and has been for 132 years. In fact, Fallout had more wars than just the bombs.
There was many things that led up to it.
There is no "memory" of World War II. Its only now do you keep hearing about it, and that was because of 1980s nostalgia for a "less confusing time."
You need peace to put a war in context. Fallout's universe had no peace. Hasn't had peace for over a century and a half. That is a lot of human generations. With a lot of wars separating the end of the world from World War II.
O_OUltratwinkie said:Oh really?
Europe and the Middle East drop off the map in a giant war. Everyone is dead. No more oil exists in the middle east.
China invades American soil, with a stalemate that lasted years.
America breaks stalemate, invades Chinese mainland.
America slaughters Canada, subjugates the populace entirely, extract every natural resource. Canada is a dead wasteland. Not a single tree remains.
I am not talking about our wars, I am talking about Fallout wars. World War II pales in comparison to what Fallout's world did.
If you ant a "big war" in fallout, just wait 5 minutes. Fallout had way more wars, and in escalating levels of scale.
The cold war in Fallout wasn't really cold.
There is a reason I said "last remaining countries" because by 2077, most of them either got killed off or devolved into near anarchy.
Yes, I know of these conflictsUltratwinkie said:Europe-Middle East
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/European_Commonwealth
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Middle_East
Anchorage, China, and Canada freedom fighters:
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Battle_of_Anchorage
Canadian annexation:
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/US_annexation_of_Canada
Canada being annexed goes all the way back to Fallout 1. Anchorage the same.
Did you just compare a 132 year gap to the progressive time difference between the Medieval age and intergalactic space travel? Oh the hyperbole.Ultratwinkie said:No, its irrelevant because its like Star Wars making call backs to the time they fought with steel swords and built castles.
That's fine. The "peace" bit the script was trying to sell didn't strike a cord of accuracy (or even proper writing) with me either, but the idea that you're just kicking out any reference to WWII as being "irrelevant" just because it's soooooo far back by a whoooole century is my issue. We know next to nothing about the Commonwealth. Even less about the Institute. There's no reason not to reference WWII or even some other completely new plot element to the Fallout universe when either backstory is expanded.Ultratwinkie said:Its the future. Its been 132 years. The veterans have been dead for over a century. The Reagan era romantic revisionism that made World War II "important" had 90 years to go away. Why? because it wasn't until the 2000s did everything really start changing. World War II is meaningless when its 132 years into the future.
And not only that, but this was BETHESDA'S OWN LORE.
Missiles trump everything else, even science and common sense. So the idea of a peaceful World War II resolution already works against the lore they established.
Nukes are the top priority. Peace doesn't exist. Its a franchise about how humanity is prone to war, not prone to peace and innovation. Everything Bethesda ever wrote points to that.
Yeah, it is. That's nowhere even close to where I was coming from, so you'll understand my confusion by your eagerness to jump headlong into this particular tangent.Ultratwinkie said:On top of all of this, this "script" is blah blah this whole this is probably another hoax.