Fallout Canada???

[C95J]

Perhaps Florida? Apparently in the Fallout universe Florida turned into a jungle inhabited by giant, sentient spiders under the control of a Spider Queen; ala hive mind. Don't know if that's true or not. I got it from a mod for HoI2 set in the Fallout universe, so I don't know if that's canon or not. Don't hold me to my word just yet, I might be wrong.
Imma gonna go check it out.

Out of all the different suggestions from different countrys and states, I like the sound of a Fallout set in Florida the best, it seems more appealing than somewhere like Los Angeles or New York.

 

[FinalDream]

Canada in Fallout:

Canada had been annexed as a state by the United States, involving both the oil crisis and the War with China. Alaska and Canada served as a front line during the war, because the oil interests vested in the north by the United States.

News images from Canada are shown in the intro of Fallout 1, where two power armor-clad soldiers execute a Canadian wearing a combat armor (which may refer to a possible resistance group), while a happy message of reassurance flashes across the screen.

Canada's Timeline

Canada makes its first appearance in the history of the Fallout universe in 2059, though only in the Fallout Bible timeline (all following notes are from the Fallout Bible timeline unless mentioned otherwise)
2059
The Anchorage Front Line is established, as the United States increases its military presence in Alaska to protect its oil interests. The Anchorage Front Line causes tensions in the United States and Canada, as the United States attempts to pressure Canada into allowing American military units to guard the Alaskan pipeline.
2066
Winter: As a sign of increasing tension between the two countries, Canada proves reluctant to allow American troops on Canadian soil or allow American planes to fly over Canadian airspace. The United States and Canadian tensions rise, but Canada eventually backs down, and U.S. troops pass through Canada. This sets the stage for the Canadian annexation (which occurs in 2076).
2069
Canada begins to feel the pressure from the United States military as the U.S. draws upon Canadian resources for the war effort. Vast stretches of timberland are destroyed, and other resources in Canada are stretched to the breaking point.
2072
The United States' increasing demand for Canadian resources causes protests and riots in several Canadian cities. An attempted sabotage of the Alaskan pipeline is all the military needs as an excuse to begin its annexation of Canada...which in fact had already begun in 2067.
2076
January: The United States annexation of Canada is complete. Canadian protesters and rioters are shot on sight, and the Alaskan Pipeline swarms with American military units under the command of Buzz Babcock. Pictures of atrocities make their way to the United States, causing further unrest and protests.
2077
January 22: The first domestic use of Power Armor within the United States for crowd and quarantine control. Units originally serving in China and the Anchorage Front Line find themselves fighting Americans at home. Food riots increase, and many civilians are killed. Several soldiers defect from the military both in Canada and the United States. They are captured, and are sent to military prisons.

Political status after annexation.

It is unknown whether there were any changes to the United States 13-commonwealth system after the annexation of Canada. It is possible that Canada was under military rule until annexation was finalized (2075 or 2076) because its population was equal to U.S. Commonwealths' population. Borders corrections were also possible, e.g. concerning Alaska and the pipelines.

 

[Vet2501]

I like the idea of a Fallout game set somewhere other the the US. What happened to the rest of the world, did it just stop existing?

What about Fallout Scotland? Then again it might be a bit difficult to tell the difference between post-apocalyptic Glasgow and current day.

 

[LavaLampBamboo]

Fallout "Anywhere" would be kinda cool. New York would be good, China might work, I'd love to see London (but that's cause I am a Brit and I could play they game and be all "HEY I'VE BEEN THERE!" or "THERE'S A GHOUL IN MY HOUSE!")

Basically, I think it would be cool to see a Fallout Game set anywhere, America, Canada, Australia. Anywhere


Except the moon. That'd suck.

 

[Malyc]

@Randomanom I have actually been in a different American city than those listed. In the MW2 campaign mode, the American portion actually starts somewhere in Virginia.

 

[Matt_LRR]

It feels silly to make this joke so late in the thread, but fuck it, I'm gonna do it anyway:

Toronto's already a wasteland, you don't need fallout for that.

-m

 

[jakeEHTlovless]

come to the hills of west virginia, were mutated mountaun lions and yougai are plentiful. enjoy our elustrious landscapes of burnt down towns and some great people, just watch out about old smithy, he likes to eat people. and find the presidents under ground bunker in greenbrier, were the ego maniacs are plentiful, and the locals are hostile. west by god virginia, a great place to breed a family, in toxic waste of course.


if they made a west virginia fallout, i would be happy, and the canada thing ist a bad idea either.... srry for straying off topic. but seriously, who wouldnt want to go to the presidents personal bomb shelter? and yes, there is one in west virginia.

 

[Silva]

Because they were an American company set up by the shadow government known as the Enclave. They were not a business set up to profit off of people. So them being outside of areas under the control of America prior to the great war makes no sense whatsoever.

Sure, then there's still the option of there being similar companies made in the rest of the Fallout world. And they needn't be extremely different to Vault-Tec. My retcon idea still stands as well.

I can guarantee that it would have to abandon all of the factions and themes that have been present throughout the series, because almost all of them were tied to the American setting. There is no reason to throw that all away just for the sake of setting diversity, because America itself is already very diverse. If you made a Fallout game outside of America, it wouldn't be Fallout. The game itself might not be bad, but it wouldn't feel like a Fallout game.

What, so other countries aren't as geographically or culturally diverse? Ridiculous. And I maintain that it could be as similar as the designers wanted it to be. You're speaking as though setting determines theme, but it doesn't have to at all. There are places other than America that could evoke similar themes, in any case. Not to mention, Fallout is not really known for realistically sticking to its setting so much as sticking random but funny elements into a caricature of the setting the game is supposed to be in. As you yourself said, the lore differs from real history, so settings can go through as much change as the designers need or want.

You're missing the point. It's not that they can't made a Fallout game in another setting. It's that there is no logical reason to do so since you would have to dispose of almost everything that is Fallout.

No I'm not. I'm telling you that you can make Fallout as long as you maintain the themes and tone. I can imagine having this same argument after the first Fallout game with people who might have thought that moving the setting to a different part of the US would ruin it. But if the US is as "diverse" as you say it is, then considering how many different settings AT the US have been covered, using a different country as a setting is not such a bad idea. The format has proven itself to be applicable over a diverse amount of terrain, so why limit things?

Why? Just because you're an American doesn't mean Fallout somehow has more appeal to you. The first 2 games took place on the West coast, somewhere I have never been. So I wouldn't have any better connection to that location than a foreigner.

That's not true. American accents, American Government, and American patriotism are something that an American can identify with much stronger than anyone from anywhere else. I think you don't realise how different the effect can be because it requires too much of a leap out of your own context. I suspect that it is an essential part of the experience. Seeing your own capital city as a post-nuclear wasteland would have a different effect from seeing someone else's. That's obvious.

The overbearingly patriotic America portrayed in Fallout is incredibly different from modern America, so there actually isn't a huge connection there either.

Please excuse me while I die of laughter. If that were true, then the nationalists in America would have very good public relations skills, because all the rest of the world sees from American media is patriotism and pomp (in Hollywood as much as in the very popular Fox News).

You must live in a very unpatriotic neighbourhood, because most of the things I hear from my friends in America about the country contradict what you say. And my friends are very patriotic themselves. Some of them went to war. So I suspect that they're underestimating it.

Mind you, Fallout does stretch it a little further.

Point is, I don't somehow enjoy the game more just because it's in America. I doubt that is the reason anyone enjoys the games. I can tell you that a lot of people like the games because of their reoccurring elements, which changing the setting would dispose of. If this was not true I would have no objections to the game taking place in another area of the globe.

Sure, well I like the series for these reasons anyway, but I still think that there is a special theme at work for those who recognise the settings involved.

We weren't talking about this from a business standpoint. We were talking about this as consumers, so any point about sales should be irrelevant.

Guess what? I was. Deal with it.

Sometimes it's warranted to widen a discussion.

 

[Internet Kraken]

Sure, then there's still the option of there being similar companies made in the rest of the Fallout world. And they needn't be extremely different to Vault-Tec. My retcon idea still stands as well.

You're missing the point. The issue is that one the biggest icons of the series could not be present. That's obviously a problem. You'd be stripping the game of what makes it Fallout.

Also from a cannon standpoint, other countries shouldn't have companies similar to Vault-tec since they had fallen apart long before the war.

What, so other countries aren't as geographically or culturally diverse? Ridiculous.

When did I say that? All I said was the America is diverse enoguh to the poitn where making games set in other countries just for the sake of diversity would be unnesecary. That doesn't mean other countries aren't diverse.

And I maintain that it could be as similar as the designers wanted it to be. You're speaking as though setting determines theme, but it doesn't have to at all. There are places other than America that could evoke similar themes, in any case.

Not in the setting clearly established in Fallout. Of course, you have no problem retconning that all away, so I guess this would be a moot point to you.

Not to mention, Fallout is not really known for realistically sticking to its setting so much as sticking random but funny elements into a caricature of the setting the game is supposed to be in. As you yourself said, the lore differs from real history, so settings can go through as much change as the designers need or want.

Except that it has already been clearly established the America was one of the only countries still maintaining it's wealth and prosperity prior to the war. The developers can;t just magically alter that without making major changes the game's history. And if you're going to do that, then I have to ask why bother making it a Fallout game? If you're going to mess with the lore that much you might as well make it a new series since that is what it's going to feel like.

No I'm not. I'm telling you that you can make Fallout as long as you maintain the themes and tone.

How many times do I have to remind you that these themes are tied to the American setting?

I can imagine having this same argument after the first Fallout game with people who might have thought that moving the setting to a different part of the US would ruin it.

There are fans that do think Fallout 3 was to radically different from the other two. But at least Fallout 3 at least tried to incorporate themes and elements from the other two games. If you put it in a foreign country you wouldn't be able to do this since they are tied to the American setting, something you seem to forget.

But if the US is as "diverse" as you say it is, then considering how many different settings AT the US have been covered, using a different country as a setting is not such a bad idea. The format has proven itself to be applicable over a diverse amount of terrain, so why limit things?

Because the themes and elements established in the Fallout series are tied to the American setting.

Seriously, this is not really a debatable point. It's something that has been established throughout the series. If it's not in America, it's not going to feel like a Fallout game.

That's not true. American accents, American Government, and American patriotism are something that an American can identify with much stronger than anyone from anywhere else. I think you don't realise how different the effect can be because it requires too much of a leap out of your own context. I suspect that it is an essential part of the experience. Seeing your own capital city as a post-nuclear wasteland would have a different effect from seeing someone else's. That's obvious.

Wrong. I don't think you need to be American to feel the impact of the setting. I'm not from the Ukraine, yet the settings shown in the S.T.A.L.K.E.R game still has an impact on me. It doesn't matter if I've been to Chernobyl. I still recognize the feeling of loneliness and desolation present in the game just by walking through it. Just like you don't need to be American to experience the similar feelings brought forth in Fallout 3.

You must live in a very unpatriotic neighbourhood, because most of the things I hear from my friends in America about the country contradict what you say. And my friends are very patriotic themselves. Some of them went to war. So I suspect that they're underestimating it.

Mind you, Fallout does stretch it a little further.

A "little" is gross undervaluation. The American setting of Fallout is very different from modern America, and I think most Americans will agree with me on this. It's a parody of an old American age, not the modern one.

Sure, well I like the series for these reasons anyway, but I still think that there is a special theme at work for those who recognise the settings involved.

I will admit that the game probably does affect someone who has actually visited these historic relics than someone who only knows of them by photo. But I still don't see that as an adequate reason to completely abandon most of the things associated with the Fallout series.

Guess what? I was. Deal with it.

Sometimes it's warranted to widen a discussion.

And in this case it isn't. You can't convince me that your position is justified based on potential sales. I'm not going to consider what you say more valid when it involves ditching everything I like about the games just because it might make a larger profit for the developers.

In short, you seem to be missing the point that no matter what you say about what they could do, it doesn't change what they can't do. They can't magically transfer all of reoccurring characters, factions, themes, and pretty much everything that forms the Fallout setting to another country.

 

[Doctor VonSexMachine]

Sounds like a great setting for a DLC to me.. that would be cool.. I live in and around Toronto and I have to say that the setting of Fallout just doesn't work to set a whole game there.. but a Ronto DLC, thats a good idea.

Now that you mention it, it might be fun to deal with the maze that is The Path and fight super mutants at the same time.

 

[lacktheknack]

Fallout 3 said (in loading screens) that Canada had been annexed by the US for our resources, well lets see it. was it invasion? Did we team up? Is their a resistance?

Um... in Fallout (the original) after a TV ad declared that Canada was annexed ("Invest in war bonds to support our good troops!") a US soldier walked up to a handcuffed Canadian and shot him in the head.

Twice.

In front of a bombed street.

I don't think Canada had anyone left in it when the bombs fell.

 

[Warped_Ghost]

Too be honest I just want one game that actually includes Canada. The only game I can think of with canadian characters is Call of Duty 3 where we kinda had a campaign but it was only 3 or so missions. The fact it was set in world war 2 means we all were using the old canadian flag so I assume most americans didn't even pick up on the fact it was even a Canadian campaign.

 

[Browbeat]

Fallout Canada will be the series debut of some truly vicious Supermutant Brahmin enemies who will have ridiculous amounts of hit points and rad resistance due to a still-functioning health care system in the Commonwealth.

Oh yes, and perhaps the Brotherhood of Steel will be replaced with the Mounties.

Still, it's worth a shot...

 

[Bladedshrew]

I'm suprised no one's said anything about doing something in Montreal... All the Canada goodness, with french mixed in! You can go at it onr way and have the main chracter (english) encouter a small group of French Quebequers and they can't understand each other, but your character still tries to "interact" with the people (wether you help or kill them is up to you ) Also you could use the Olympic stadium because of its really awkward design, or use The artificial island containing Laronde (an amusment park) as a base, hiding in the roller coaster shooting people as you ride . Many things could be done on the island of Montreal. I mean we have TWO official- er close enough (French is the only official one, but english is still used a lot) You could have a group of French nomads encounter some anglicans and have them dish it out, I mean thats been going on for AGES!

 

[Sev07]

Everyone knows that the only places in the world is America. Everything ever will happen there. No where else.

I quite enjoyed that District 9 made a point of not being in America.

The reason it wasn't set in America is because if you look at the world from an outside view, and there were aliens coming down they would choose the biggest land mass to land, not necessarily the most "important" place (i.e. Washington). An alien species would be more likely to land in Africa, Russia, or Canada, not because of political importance but again because of land size.

But yes, i think it would be a sweet dlc for fallout if it could be somewhere in Canada, I don't recognize a lot of stuff in American city based games because i don't live there(i recognize major stuff obviously just don't really connect). And just so we're clear, weather in Canada is not that different to weather in the northern parts of America, New York and Toronto have the same weather patterns for the most part, unless you compare Nunavut lolz.

 

[Hitchmeister]

There's a problem with Toronto as a setting based on recognizablity: most non-Torontans would recognize it, but just not as Toronto. It'll look just like Chicago,New York, Los Angeles, or any of the various other American cities that Toronto has doubled for in movies and TV shows over the years.

Everyone knows that the only places in the world is America. Everything ever will happen there. No where else.

I quite enjoyed that District 9 made a point of not being in America.

The reason it wasn't set in America is because if you look at the world from an outside view, and there were aliens coming down they would choose the biggest land mass to land, not necessarily the most "important" place (i.e. Washington). An alien species would be more likely to land in Africa, Russia, or Canada, not because of political importance but again because of land size.

But yes, i think it would be a sweet dlc for fallout if it could be somewhere in Canada, I don't recognize a lot of stuff in American city based games because i don't live there(i recognize major stuff obviously just don't really connect). And just so we're clear, weather in Canada is not that different to weather in the northern parts of America, New York and Toronto have the same weather patterns for the most part, unless you compare Nunavut lolz.

There's a problem with Toronto as a setting based on recognizablity: most non-Torontans would recognize it, but just not as Toronto. It'll look just like Chicago,New York, Los Angeles, or any of the various other American cities that Toronto has doubled for in movies and TV shows over the years.

 

[The Bandit]

I don't want to explore a bunch of ice.

 

[Mrsoupcup]

I think its a bad idea.
From my understanding of the weather up there, you'd have to stay inside for half the year.

God no, not that many hours of copy and pasted tunnels....

Toronto has like the same weather as New York city.

 

[Mrsoupcup]

I don't want to explore a bunch of ice.

Have you even been to Canada? We have plenty of large cities. Don't post something ignorant like this without knowing what your talking about.

 

[Omnific One]

Fallout is uniquely American. That's just what it is. We are probably going to see Fallout: The Big Apple as the next one from Bethesda.