Fallout New Vegas
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I'm sorry but I gotta call bull on this. A game that is action filled does not make it automatically stupid.-Drifter- said:
Lets look at Fallout 3. It has explosions, you killing people, guns and lots of action. It is not by any means stupid, if you take it stupidly, you get killed very quickly depending on how difficult you want the game to be.
There is a massive amount of ways you can take Fallout 3. Do you snipe an enemy, sneak up with a shotgun, use explosives, hack a robot to kill them for you or avoid it all together. If you stick F3 on very hard, resource management becomes very intense and you have to constantly be on your toes otherwise you will run out of bullets and you will die.
I also find it funny how lots of people think mainstream shooters are stupid when you can die in a few however in games like TF2 or Half Life you can soak up bullets like a sponge.
It doesn't mean it's bad, you're right. However there is a reason why many don't play games that are over 10 years old
They are dull
Say what you will, the story is better in Fallout 2 but it is so boring to play compared to many faster paced games.
You can call people stupid about liking stupid games but to call someone stupid because they want an exciting game is stupid
Flying-Emu said:
I'm assuming then neither of you want to bother upgrading your computer then or buy a console. Of course graphics matter otherwise we'd all be playing text based gamesUltratwinkie said:
Please dont feed the angry troll...I bet he is upset that Halo 4 (I mean Reach was the last)Mr.PlanetEater said:
I BELIEVE...also this game has snow water people...snow...ummm..dingosnakedogthings...slavers and....
Fallout:New Vegas will be a solid gold....dont let the trolls get ya down
That was greatTomLikesGuitar said:
New Veags has no effect on TE5, as it's being developed by Obsidian.innocentEX said:I can't wait, because it means the TS5 will go into development
Bit of a generalisation there dude.Ultratwinkie said:
F3 is my all time favorite game and I'm totally psyched for New Vegas as it's getting the humour, factions and vibe from the first two.
In fairness, Fallout 1 and 2 aren't exactly bursting at the seems with strategy either.Ultratwinkie said:
-move behind wall
-wait for enemy to shoot
-pop out, shoot at eyes, duck back
-pray they don't get a critical hit and insta kill you
You still have upgraded your computer though, therefore graphics matter. Also you cannot argue to me that a text based game is more fun then say; COD4, Batman Arkum Asylum or guitar hero (I have no idea what kind of games you like but I assume they have an interface).Ultratwinkie said:
What assumptions are you on about? I'm a completely different person you were arguing with before otherwise you just went ape shit on me for nothing
A lot of old games are dull, some can stand the test of time, many cannot though. It's not because we're all ADD ridden, because the market changes, people want different products based on loads of different factors.
Here's a good list of reasons why we don't play the same game over and over again. People buy new consoles, they don't want to play the same game again, they want to play games which can relate to modern day situations, they want games they can go online with (opposed to games with such a small community there is less then 10 players a day). That's even before the social factors, think why the Wii sold so well because many people are concious about their weight so they want to buy games that are active
I said other methods besides using another gun but if you don't want to listen... What ways did the original fallouts let you do when you saw an enemy then?
You're mistaking your opinion for fact, many people still play those games to date and they have fun, exciting points. Including me, GTA IV has some incredible moments going down the streets on a bike being chased by the police while dodging through traffic
This is true for me as well :/octafish said:
Until:
a) they confirm that all DLC will be released like Fallout 3's DLC was, in physical form, or
b) they announce that there will not be any DLC
c) retailers get some sort of download thing in store so that I can store it on my HDD and play it at home without having to hope that my wireless won't bug out on me
...I won't be purchasing F:NV. And sadly this is true for about 45% minimum of people with consoles (according to NPD last year only 55% of consoles have ever been connected). More when you include the fact that a lot of people (like me) have awful internet that takes days to download 1Gb and therefore won't bother downloading DLC.
It's funny because I remember thinking the Same thing about GTA Vice City: it coudn't possibly be as cool as GTA 3.luckycharms8282 said:
I hope history repeats itself: we get an even bigger and more awesome (orgasmic? maybe) Fallout Vegas with even more content. Then we get Fallout San Andreas Vault with three times the amount of content we got in the other two.
I'm putting my money on New Vegas being a big upgrade. Then again, my disappointment with FO3 will carry over if they don't allow me to finally be able to punch a giant rat in the groin...
Is that too much to ask? Really?
Dear GOD! ALL I WANT TO DO IS PUNCH A RAT IN THE GROIN!!!!
Is that too much to ask? Really?
Dear GOD! ALL I WANT TO DO IS PUNCH A RAT IN THE GROIN!!!!
Then why on earth do you upgrade your computer then? Seems illogical to meUltratwinkie said:
You're right I don't know everyone, but the majority of people do want action based games, that's why they have become so popular over the last few years. I many not know what everyone wants but I can see through products being released what people want (as a result, games companies make games to satisfy that demand)
Media is not black and white, some people want realism others don't. Avatar was heavily advertised in many forms, besides the cinema market want different things to the game market. Again you mistake you for a majority, you use it for escapism and so do I but many don't, they want to experience things they can't. That in itself is escapism but to a more real life situation
You can get past people by talking to them, locking doors, controlling robots and make them fight one another. Okay they head exploding thing is pretty cool but there aren't really that many different methods, at least not enough for me to consider it a truly bad point in Fallout 3
Have you ever worked in a retail shop? The Wii fit sold fucking loads, check the sales figures
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wii_Fit#Sales
However, yes a lot of people bought it because it was cheap but when it was released we were in a recession, a lot of people wanted a new console but didn't have the disposable income to buy a more expensive 360 or ps3
I've spotted a Fallout 3 GotY + Fallout New Vegas bundle for £30 (on PC). I'm damn tempted, even though I realise pre-ordering games is very much a mug's game these days, especially for PC games, what with DLC and the fact that it's by a developer with a reputation of buggy games on an engine that has a reputation of being buggy. Hmm...
A game with the incredibly fun game play of Fallout 3 but not with the shitty story and bad dialogue, with juicy extras, made by people who worked on Fallout 2,
What's not to like?
P.S. I don't see how just because has the same game play as Fallout 3 it can't be better than Fallout 3
What's not to like?
P.S. I don't see how just because has the same game play as Fallout 3 it can't be better than Fallout 3
No, and in fact I didn't say that. What I did say was that a game is not automatically dull because it's not all action, all the time, and unless you have an incredibly short attention span and are distracted by shiny objects, you should be able to see that.The Rockerfly said:
High difficulty =/= intelligent game. If you need proof, look no farther than Ninja Gaiden.
Clearly someone who hasn't played enough Castlevania.
A person may not be stupid because they want an exiting game, but they are stupid if they get bored with anything that isn't always fast paced. Do you watch nothing but action movies? I doubt it. In the same way that I don't want every movie I watch to be Rambo, neither do I want every game I play to be Call of Duty.
Graphics do matter, but they also aren't that hard to look past and/or adjust to. Besides, Fallout 3 wasn't exactly what I'd call good looking anyway.
1. Granted but still upgrading years ago is unnecessary, if you did do research, many people are still running on XP, most companies are still running on windows 95Ultratwinkie said:
2. It is demand, people still want incredible games, this is very difficult for developers to do so they recreate games hoping the market will still buy the game. Most of the time they will because the product has enough variety from the original or it is compatible for the modern generation console
3. Exactly, playing gritty shooters is still escapism
4. Okay I will admit there is as many choices as maybe the other fallouts but for a game about the nuclear apocalypse, I feel as though making a riddle which blows someone's head off is a bit silly for a game with a serious tone
May I ask why on earth did you underline the times I used stupid? You didn't really make a point of it-Drifter- said:
Okay I see what you mean, however Fallout 3 isn't constantly like that, so it's gameplay must be still valid in your books. Which it isn't, so why do you dislike it then?
I never said high difficulty made an intelligent game
No I haven't however of course there are going to be a few exceptions, but many don't want to live on a few games. We want variation, different genres and different game types. Otherwise the game gets very dull to play, especially going through a game the x time
I agree, no one should watch entirely one genre of film and to play only one game type would have the similar effect but if we want to play a game that we can still run on the same console then we can't rely on games that are very old. For example, if I play call of duty 4 for 3 days in a row then play another game campaign for 1 day, I cannot rely on the few games that are on xbox live, with gameplay that has stood the test of time. I wouldn't have very long, that's where the new games come in
I completely agree, fallout 3 was an ugly son of a ***** but I think that worked when the world was meant to look ugly and grim
I said most games aren't fun to play
Well you sure said it enough times.The Rockerfly said:
Pretty sure I didn't say I disliked it. I just prefer the older games.
But you did imply low difficulty made for a stupid game.
What?
... Again, what? What does this have to do with anything?
Doesn't really excuse the bad rendering, texture quality, character models and animation. Again though, there are more important things to worry about than technological prowess.
Okay, when?