FBI Raids Texas Company in Hunt for Anonymous
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The naivety of your post is simply astounding. I agree that 4chan are in general teens and college kids with too much time on their hands and delusions of grandeur, but what they do truly epitomizes freedom of speech... besides CP that is. Yeah, I understand that basically all the shit they do is retarded and has no point, but the fact that they can post gore, rape, whatever the hell they want that would normally get shot down anywhere else really shows the power the internet has in saying or posting what you want when you want to.CJ1145 said:
The fact that the government even dares to censor information made public via internet is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. And don't give me that "It hurts more people than it helps" argument. As true as the fact may be, perhaps the government should have protected their classified documents and trade secrets a little better. Or maybe if they had simply released some of those documents (civilian deaths, casualty rates, number of unsuccessful operations) people wouldn't be looking so deep for it. Ever hear of the Pentagon Papers? Watergate? Vietnam? Too bad there was no internet then huh.
You read that story about Skype being banned in China? What would you do if Skype was banned in America, and you could only get video chat support from government based companies? I doubt it would be the argument you have going now, and I doubt you would be against Anonymous if they were doing everything they could to make sure Skype stayed up.
No, I'm not a anon. No, I'm not a wannabe anarchist who hates his country. But yes, I am an informed citizen with less and less respect for his country every day. To me, capitalism is essentially a form of dictatorship that keeps the people happy so they produce more efficiently. And yes, I suppose it is the best type of government in existence today, so whatever. Stick with it. But please don't bleed in concepts of extreme censorship akin to NK or China. That would really make me lose it.
you've got it wrongAzaraxzealot said:
when the government fucks you, fuck the government and then when they retaliate and try to fuck you again, you find people who aren't naive and fuck back 10 fold
i'm tired of people on the side of our government here. information however horrible and mindboggling needs to be known. their attempts to quiet the fire are laughable.
fight the good fight anon!
Untraceable? Perhaps not. Still, I'll bet this is going to be a jurisdictional and bureaucratic nightmare once they finally get ready to prosecute. Keep that paperwork straight you guys!Bek359 said:
I imagine they'll probably be able to get this done, though. I mean, if the FBI doesn't have their shit together, then no government agency does.
The fuss from the recent leaks is that it had some rather candid memos from US diplomats that painted other countries in bad light (and other stuff they didn't want known, though usually it doesn't provoke this much reaction). So Clinton had to do some quick talking, and certain people in other countries had to be soothed, since while it may have been known that such and such did this or that, to have it out publicly that representatives of the US govt were saying it is . . .well. . . the white elephant in the room knocked over grandma's ashes.alrekr said:
I'm not good at quoting so ill just write everything down here in fear of messing this up too badly.CJ1145 said:
1) I'm just saying that everything has its bad side. For us the internet has people like Anonymous. Also going to great lengths and bending rules to hunt down some random hackers is frighting. We all know that this isn't because the CIA thinks anonymous are a bunch of internet jerks, its about anonymous supporting Wikileaks and opposing the government.
2)Well i guess this is a more tame conversation and wouldn't change much but still. I have this friend at school. He's fun to be around and i hang out with him often. He's not the type of person i would expect to write in all caps constantly, which he does. A schoolmate of mine suddenly turned from a quiet smart kid to a funny sarcastic guy when we were chatting over the internet about a school project. A lot of things change when you aren't face to face.
3)Yes but losing a website isn't as bad as losing a store and all your stock.
If PayPal are just pointing fingers randomly (for suspect IPs), the FBI will raid, but eventually find out that they're innocent and PayPal will be the ones under heat. A worse eventuality got mentioned early on in the thread - the FBI will eventually find "the suspects" behind Anonymous, although I'd bet that they'd just use scapegoats to appease the corporations behind this witch-hunt. And if they really do find the real people behind it, there'll only be ten thousand more willing to take their place.AC10 said:
I don't know who to support in this whole agenda. Those with secrets they need to protect, those who dig for secrets that should never have been kept secret, those who look for sensationalist stories, those who try and crush groups who release these secrets/stories, those who retaliate to hostile actions, those who try and crush groups who retaliate, or everybody else who enjoys reading about people's secrets and scandals and encourage these kinds of activities. Somewhere in there a line needs to be drawn, maybe several.
Part of the problem with Wikileaks is also that, while not necessarily true for all cases, info just get's "leaked" during a point when its not actually classified. A lot of military secrets get out because when they were presented out to the internet they weren't classified, leaving virtually nothing that can be done about the matter by the time some upper-tier official decided that "Hey, this stuff should be classified!". Some things will take months to get classified.WilliamRLBaker said:
OK, I had to break down this post of Turtleboy's to figure out where it went stupid. My theory is that it went stupid before it had even been echoed by his fingers onto a keyboard.
Anonymous serves as a perfect example of when the internet defending its rights goes too far.
But ultimately none of that matters. Because Anonymous is not a bunch of freedom fighters. They are monsters. They're not doing what they do to protect freedom of speech, they do it to amuse themselves. There is nowhere they won't stop, except a few arbitrary and nonsensical things like harming cats, because they think it's funny. That is why they need to be stopped. So I say let the FBI do what it's doing to bring them down.
Yeah, great, it's a very good example of freedom of speech, also how that freedom can be abused. The right to bear arms does not equate to going on mass murdering sprees because you don't agree with the government. The right to a fair trial does not mean you are entitled to win every trial. In the same vein, freedom of speech does not mean you can go around pushing the limits of every law relating to speech, and attempting to destabilize governments by posting secret documents, then going on a hacking spree against anyone that disagrees with you.Turtleboy1017 said:
Anonymous serves as a perfect example of when the internet defending its rights goes too far.
How fortuitous of you to say that, because it does.
The fuck? Did those words just come out of your mouth? Do you even realize how stupid that is? That's like saying "If that man had simply payed better attention, he'd have known that car was going to swerve onto the sidewalk!" Or "It's the kids' fault, really, for not realizing their friend was about to murder them all."
But that stuff is irrelevant! For morale reasons, you tend not to tell people how many civilians have died. That's simple propaganda tactics. Morale would sink to the damn seafloor if they released that stuff.
You're speaking in hypothetical situations. Of course I would have different argument, but we are in real life here, not your fantasy world where Cobra Commander rules the United States. Back in reality, the Anonymous we know is far more likely to try and destroy Skype because they think the resulting flood of complaints will be hilarious.
Extreme censorship is not the same thing as protecting a country's interests. Would you rather we have the kind of nation we did in the Nixon era and the framing decade or so, with counterculture decimating the youth while they sit around protesting the war, throwing rocks at the men who dare to fight for their country, while the government is so caught up in trying to hide what it can it comes off like a giant conspiracy?
But ultimately none of that matters. Because Anonymous is not a bunch of freedom fighters. They are monsters. They're not doing what they do to protect freedom of speech, they do it to amuse themselves. There is nowhere they won't stop, except a few arbitrary and nonsensical things like harming cats, because they think it's funny. That is why they need to be stopped. So I say let the FBI do what it's doing to bring them down.
I'm usually in favor of Anon's big "attacks", because they generally have some sort of logical reasoning behind them, but their latest idea was probably a bad one.
In terms of remaining Anonymous that is, who knows, maybe they'll escape as internet vigilantes again, but I wouldn't be surprised if they get their asses handed to em' this time.
In terms of remaining Anonymous that is, who knows, maybe they'll escape as internet vigilantes again, but I wouldn't be surprised if they get their asses handed to em' this time.
not sure if anyone already said this...but CBA to read every post...
i wonder how long it'll be before people start disappearing into creedy's black bags..
*listens to the groans*
...hey i tried...
i wonder how long it'll be before people start disappearing into creedy's black bags..
*listens to the groans*
...hey i tried...
They seriously had to go and physically obtain the hardware? I'm never going to be paranoid online again. Fuckin' Bunch of Incompetents.
(emphasis mine)
...And therein lies the rub. I'm sure Anonymous has more than its share of "script kiddies", but in the case of the more sophisticated hackers, they're going to run into an unending chain of "zombies".
This is going to get messy, one way or another.
that,s just 00.1/9001 of the entirety of anonymous NOBODY has a members list you cant stop a group like Anonymous! they are just to scathered!
if they dont want them to take the nets fight them on the nets, probe big sites like that so that when they go down you know where it came from, then do what you want to their net... stuffAzaraxzealot said:
(talking to gov't)