FBI Raids Texas Company in Hunt for Anonymous

[shadow skill]

Isn't the whole point of Anonymous that they are not actually a defined group? Anyone can attack a site and say we are anonymous and mean that quite literally. Anonymous individuals will not be stopped from taking these kinds of actions just because people end up getting arrested for this particular set of attacks.

 

[MetalGenocide]

/facepalm
FailBI probably caught people that never did anything wrong. Then the media jumped up and yelled "hey we got them!!!!".

 

[Dr.Nick]

So much for the anonymity of "Anonymous".

Three cheers for the FBI and their bureaucratic crusade against freedom.

would you rather anonymous grow out of control and get so sucked up in its own power that it will eventually take over our governments? (i really think that if one controls the internet, they can control the world)
well hell no, this should teach those little cunts a lesson.
don't
fuck
with the government.

Don't fuck with the government? Are you insane? If nobody fucks with the government then it does whatever the hell it feels like.

 

[Fuselage]

Only a matter of time until those angry teens are put in jail! And anonymous will end forever!

And why would you want that?
No matter how bad Anonymous are they are better alternatives to the REAL rascist trolls like the ones on Stormfront.
Besides, The internet would be a boring place without them...

 

[Fuselage]

Fuck Anonymous, I hope they're caught and thrown in jail!

Yep!! Definently you can arrest Thousands upon thousands of people of different nationalitys and races who are scattered across the globe, All around the world, Australia, South America, Canada, Most of Europe, New Zealand, etc.
If the government tried to arrest all these people outside their legal bounds, That will give a whole new meaning to Prison Overcrowding.

 

[Ytmh]

Why do you people think "anonymous" is some unified group?

This entire thread is populated by people who don't -know- what the hell an anonymous group actually means, even if it's in the goddamn name.

And yet, they all have rather well defined opinions on what whatever their interpretation of this group is. Classy.

An anonymous group, by definition, can be ANYTHING. Random people out of nowhere can bomb a hospital or do bank robberies and claim to be anonymous. There's nothing stopping this. Anyone can do anything under the name "anonymous," and that's the entire point.

Talking about "anonymous" as if it were a specific group of people is wrong. I mean, maybe 80% of this thread is anonymous "members?" Who knows? Certainly nobody will say anything that directly links them to this public image, which is obvious.

 

[Dr.Nick]

Anon: You mad FBI?

 

[HyenaThePirate]

Everyone talks about the "rights of this" and the "rights of that" and how Anonymous are either villians or heroes.. but you know who the real victim is?

Paypal and Mastercard and their CUSTOMERS.

Why don't these two companies have the right to decide with WHOM they will and will not do business? Did the American government pressure them into dumping wikileaks? Possibly. But So what? Anonymous doesn't realize they are just on the other end of the stick... the government would force those companies not to aid wikileaks, but Anonymous on the other hand by their actions apparently take the stance that they WOULD force them to.

And the customers? They are the most innocent in this, because they are unable to utilize the services of these companies or develop fears about the security of their assets.

This is why they deserve EVERY BIT of what is happening to them. The FBI is in the right here, regardless of your political beliefs, because what some people are calling "freedom" is actually "anarchy", and NOBODY really wants Anarchy except 14 year old idiots who have had everything handed to them on a platter and have yet to realize that if there is no AUTHORITY, there is no one to stop OTHER people from imposing on your freedoms.

Sometimes secrets are necessary. Government secrets are necessary. Contrary to popular belief, Average Joe Public doesn't NEED to know every single little thing. Subterfuge and clandestine actions are sometimes preferable to showboating every little action.

 

[BabyRaptor]

/point

/laugh

The fact that it happened in Texas only makes it funnier.

 

[subfield]

don't
fuck
with the government.

It's almost as if you think we serve the government. That when they say jump, we should jump.

But remember our contract; part of it states that the government serves us - not the other way around. When _we_ say jump, they jump.

Oh, my mistake - you are probably living in Mussolini's Italy! In that case, you'd better jump.

And yes, that's jump with a 'j'; no pun intended.

 

[Dr.Nick]

Everyone talks about the "rights of this" and the "rights of that" and how Anonymous are either villians or heroes.. but you know who the real victim is?

Paypal and Mastercard and their CUSTOMERS.

Why don't these two companies have the right to decide with WHOM they will and will not do business? Did the American government pressure them into dumping wikileaks? Possibly. But So what? Anonymous doesn't realize they are just on the other end of the stick... the government would force those companies not to aid wikileaks, but Anonymous on the other hand by their actions apparently take the stance that they WOULD force them to.

And the customers? They are the most innocent in this, because they are unable to utilize the services of these companies or develop fears about the security of their assets.

This is why they deserve EVERY BIT of what is happening to them. The FBI is in the right here, regardless of your political beliefs, because what some people are calling "freedom" is actually "anarchy", and NOBODY really wants Anarchy except 14 year old idiots who have had everything handed to them on a platter and have yet to realize that if there is no AUTHORITY, there is no one to stop OTHER people from imposing on your freedoms.

Sometimes secrets are necessary. Government secrets are necessary. Contrary to popular belief, Average Joe Public doesn't NEED to know every single little thing. Subterfuge and clandestine actions are sometimes preferable to showboating every little action.

Paypal and Visa had a choice to maintain their fair services to wikileaks or to cave in to unreasonable demands from a government that overstepped its bounds. They deserved those DDoS attacks as a reminder that we shouldn't just cave in.

 

[Noble Korhedron]

"dont fuck with the government" should be common sense to anyone who knows what life is really like. protesting and petitioning isn't fucking with the government, but actually taking hostile action against them is something NO ONE should do, unless you're asking to disappear... for a looooooong time.

Don't fuck with the people should be the real common sense. If the people don't like the government, they have every right to fight against injustice.

Perhaps you gentlemen will recognise the following quote from 'V for Vendetta' - "People should not be afraid of their Govt's. Govt's should be afraid of their people!"

 

[RMcD94]

I like the people who are arguing that if everyone told the truth when you asked them a question the world would be a worse place.

Sure, stuff like, do you think I look nice in this, lies are always preferable if the truth isn't what you want it, but people will get over that. I've never lied when someone's asked me how I think they look. No one complains about tests that tell them they've failed.

 

[HyenaThePirate]

Paypal and Visa had a choice to maintain their fair services to wikileaks or to cave in to unreasonable demands from a government that overstepped its bounds. They deserved those DDoS attacks as a reminder that we shouldn't just cave in.

Wait a second...

Explain to me how you have a "choice" in anything where if you DON'T do what someone SUGGESTS (the government never ORDERED those companies to do ANYTHING, they simply asked them not to) and if you DO do it, you'll be "punished" to show you shouldn't make the OTHER choice?

All you've done is show why Anonymous is no better than the Government!

It's like a criminal organization and the cops.
If the cops demand that you can no longer sell guns to a group of people, and you do it, how does it make it right if that group comes and breaks your legs and burns down your store for complying with the authorities?

Thats like when gangs threaten witnesses into staying silent about their criminal activities.

That's not freedom. It's not something to be "revered" or "respected."
It's thuggery, plain and simple. And quite frankly, as far as I'm concerned, my Government has worked pretty good for me for the most part. Sure they've done some bad things here and there, but at the end of the day, I'm not being beaten in alleys, have a good job, can say what I want, and do pretty much what I want as long as I stay within the confines of the law that my society has deemed worthy of obeying.

Sometimes I think the speed limit is stupid, and occasionally I break it, but if I get caught, I don't start spouting off about freedom and crying out anti-government sentiment. I accept that I broke the law, got caught, and accept my punishment.

Also, The FBI isn't trying to take down ALL of Anonymous. That would be impossible and/or stupid.
What this DOES do is it REMINDS some of those anonymous members who might not be as "dedicated" to the cause that they are NOT untouchable, and for the most part, are no longer "anonymous"... Big Brother now has his eye out for you, and you can run, you can hide, but the very second you frak up, he's going to break your ass.

 

[Dr.Nick]

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The difference being that Anon are the good guys in this case and the government is the bad guy. But I'll agree that what anon did was no better than the government. What was better was the fact that their attack was just a reminder of "hey, stand up for what's right." It's not like anon broke their legs. It just pushed them down in a puddle for a few hours.

 

[Wicky_42]

Interested to see who they actually end up trying to charge for this - sounds like they may have closed in on a couple of guys... maybe.

Also, if you really want to be anonymous, you need to delete everything your ISP holds - even better, run your own ISP that keeps no records! Sorted then - no evidence ^_^

 

[HyenaThePirate]

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The difference being that Anon are the good guys in this case and the government is the bad guy. But I'll agree that what anon did was no better than the government. What was better was the fact that their attack was just a reminder of "hey, stand up for what's right." It's not like anon broke their legs. It just pushed them down in a puddle for a few hours.

How do you figure they are the "good guys?"
The word you are searching for is "BULLY"
By attacking a third party, causing inconvenience to people who weren't involved or didn't care, and all because of THEIR opinions?
By what right does Anonymous speak for us "masses?" By what right do they avenge OUR grievances? Are we supposed to be grateful?

If Anonymous attacked GOVERNMENT sites only in protest, fine, I'd kind of see your point. The moment they turned it onto private business and citizens, they became the "bad guys."
But they knew better than to do that.

To me, it's no different than when rebel groups or organizations target civilians in order to make their "point."
Have a problem with the government, FIGHT the government. Don't go for the easier target of private citizens or businesses because you know they lack the ability to fight back.
That's what terrorists do, not "freedom fighters."