Female brutality - NOW WITH VIDEO!!!

[Actual]

You sound pretty violent. You justify beating the crap out of him for cheating even if you aren't the injured party:

I'd like to think if a bloke cheated on a friend of mine I'd knock him out.

I wonder, do you feel the same about him (or one of his male friends) beating the crap out of her if she cheated?

I wouldn't say I'm a violent person. Normally I'm much more of the opinion that legal solutions should be used rather than violent ones. Cheating is an odd case as it's one of the most heinous things a person can do, worse than many crimes (theft for example). However there is no legal punishment for such an immoral act.

That lack of justice frustrates me and I suppose that frustration leads me and many others to believe that cheating justifies violence.

A woman who cheats deserves a beating too, though I wouldn't actually condone it, I'd understand if a female friend of mine wanted to hurt a woman who cheated on me. Male on female violence just isn't sporting however. The don't hit girls unless you really have to rule for men exists for a good reason.

 

[manic_depressive13]

I don't think many people still believe that the feminist movement is about equality. That ship has sailed.

I don't care if they believe it. Dictionary definitions aren't faith based. I can call myself communist and then announce that I support a free market economy. That doesn't mean that the definition of communism has changed. That just means that I'm an idiot who doesn't know the meaning of communism, and anyone who believes I am actually in support of communism is equally guilty of ignorance. Similarly, any psycho lady can call herself a feminist, but if she doesn't support full equality, she isn't. It's up to you to be able to recognise that.

 

[Colour Scientist]

Its not so much this one video, but rather a greater social phenomena that causes this debate. The place equal rights comes in is exactly that she WON'T get the same legal punishments that a man would. By and large the western world gives women shorter punishments, in nicer facilities and more frequent conditional sentences. In fact Britain is currently looking at eliminating womens prisons all together.
We also have a tendency to justify female violence. IE "well he cheated." even when there is no evidence to support it.
Its also an equal rights issue directly because of the stark contrast of how this would have been handled had it been a woman assaulted by a man. Namely No one would have been laughing. We are simply better human beings when women are being harmed.
Its especially a rights issue when governments impose laws that demand that, in the event of domestic violence, the man be arrested. Essentially criminalizing BEING ASSAULTED. Many European countries and US states have laws specifically like that and these laws have been lobbied for by feminists.
Its also an equality issue that despite suffering 40-45% of all domestic violence injuries and are victims of approximately 70% of all nonreciprocal partner violence men in the states have a whopping 0% access to state funded domestic violence programs.
This is just another stark reminder of a very serious issue and people have a right to be angry.

I don't think anyone here has seriously defended her violence.
Don't use the word feminist as a broad umbrella term, it isn't one.

I already said the people on the train should have stopped her but that isn't an equal rights issue that's a side-effect of a societal belief system.

Of course it's a serious issue and, unfortunately, very few people who complain about it are willing to actively do something about it. The sad truth of it is most people are out to fight their own battles, be it Civil Rights groups, religious groups or feminists alike. The problem is gender roles and stereotypes are so ingrained in society it's very difficult to change them.
I do my best to make my voice heard for equal rights for women and, to be very honest, I'm sick of the defense that women have to take a punch in the face to even have a chance to get them. We've taken more than that at this point. Of course there are inequalities that effect men, and while it's wrong, I sometimes find it difficult to want to actively help the very people who tell me that I'm a hypocrite feminist ***** without knowing any of my actual opinions. And before someone attacks me for this, I don't mean men as a whole, I mean those who have the previously stated argument.

 

[boag]

The dude isnt showing self control out of some form of Chivalry, the dude is showing self control because of Guilt.

He cheated on her, and the only way she found to deal with her frustration and anger was to beat the crap out of him. Was it smart? No. Was it rational? No. Was it even Justified? nope.

But seriously what course of action did she have left?

there is no legislation available to protect people in this position.

BS, he was showing restraint because he knew people were watching and if he retaliated he'd probably have been the one in cuffs.


You ask what legislation is available for people in her position? Why should there be, cheating in a relationship isn't a legal matter, nor should it be. All she can do is scream at him and break up. Like a normal person. There's no excuse for violence and the dumb ***** deserves jail time.

I do believe cheating is a form of emotional abuse.

You cant say that devoting yourself to a commited relationship, isnt damaging.

***READ***, I am not condoning her acts, I am merely pointing out the fact that people can get away with cheating without any form of punishment.

So, would you be raising this argument if HE beat the crap out of HER for cheating? Would you be saying "What other option did HE have?"

Yes, yes I would.

 

[Epona]

You sound pretty violent. You justify beating the crap out of him for cheating even if you aren't the injured party:

I'd like to think if a bloke cheated on a friend of mine I'd knock him out.

I wonder, do you feel the same about him (or one of his male friends) beating the crap out of her if she cheated?

I wouldn't say I'm a violent person. Normally I'm much more of the opinion that legal solutions should be used rather than violent ones. Cheating is an odd case as it's one of the most heinous things a person can do, worse than many crimes (theft for example). However there is no legal punishment for such an immoral act.

That lack of justice frustrates me and I suppose that frustration leads me and many others to believe that cheating justifies violence.

A woman who cheats deserves a beating too, though I wouldn't actually condone it, I'd understand if a female friend of mine wanted to hurt a woman who cheated on me. Male on female violence just isn't sporting however. The don't hit girls unless you really have to rule for men exists for a good reason.

Sexist BS, you clearly don't believe in equality.

No, cheating should not be a crime.

 

[nixonsnow]

I was initially neutral on what she was doing, since I could see a scenario where I would cheer what happened to that guy. Then she started acting belligerent with the police and it became apparent this is probably more of a problem with her.

That's like saying you would cheer on a guy beating a girl for cheating on him, since that was all the information we had. It's an identical scenario.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

Cheating is an odd case as it's one of the most heinous things a person can do, worse than many crimes (theft for example). However there is no legal punishment for such an immoral act.

That lack of justice frustrates me and I suppose that frustration leads me and many others to believe that cheating justifies violence.

What? No. I hate that I'm being put in the situation of DEFENDING CHEATING, since I've been cheated on, and I've never cheated, and I know it sucks, but this is ridiculous. No, it is NOT "one of the most heinous things a person can do". There's no legal punishment for it because it does not DESERVE a legal punishment. There are no laws saying your partner needs to stay with you, or be considerate of your feelings. Relationships are messy, and there is always an element of emotional risk involved. That's part of life.

 

[boag]

The dude isnt showing self control out of some form of Chivalry, the dude is showing self control because of Guilt.

He cheated on her, and the only way she found to deal with her frustration and anger was to beat the crap out of him. Was it smart? No. Was it rational? No. Was it even Justified? nope.

But seriously what course of action did she have left?

there is no legislation available to protect people in this position.

Hahaha...what? What the...what?

Okay...

#1. Don't hypothesize as to why person X is doing action Y. That's ridiculous. You don't know.
#2. Even if you did know, and even if he did cheat on her, since when does cheating = beating?

Cheating is a rotten thing to do. You are justified in being upset. Maybe even justified in some screaming, and Hard Words. Certainly justified in ending the relationship. You are not, however, justified in hailing blows down on the cheater's head. No matter how tiny and feminine your fists are. Hitting is Not Okay.

And really, you don't need to be "protected" from having a significant other cheat on you. Cheating is not illegal. Physical abuse is.

I am not justifying her actions, please read my post, I am simply pointing out that there is no legal recourse to take when infidelity is an issue.

I am not hypothesizing actions either, the video is labeled as such, I am simply making an observation with the evidence given.

 

[Epona]

I don't think many people still believe that the feminist movement is about equality. That ship has sailed.

I don't care if they believe it. Dictionary definitions aren't faith based. I can call myself communist and then announce that I support a free market economy. That doesn't mean that the definition of communism has changed. That just means that I'm an idiot who doesn't know the meaning of communism, and anyone who believes I am actually in support of communism is equally guilty of ignorance. Similarly, any psycho lady can call herself a feminist, but if she doesn't support full equality, she isn't. It's up to you to be able to recognise that.

Well, the definition of feminism is flawed as the word feminism doesn't lend itself to equality. The better term would be humanism. Feminism is about women alone, that isn't equality.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

I am not hypothesizing actions either, the video is labeled as such, I am simply making an observation with the evidence given.

The dude isnt showing self control out of some form of Chivalry...

Hypothesizing his motivation for holding back.

...the dude is showing self control because of Guilt

Hypothesizing he feels guilty.

He cheated on her, and the only way she found to deal with her frustration and anger was to beat the crap out of him.

Hypothesizing she had "no other way to deal with her frustration and anger".

Even if you do KNOW that he cheated, which we don't, Youtube headline notwithstanding, but even if we ASSUME that this actually happened, all that other stuff you supplied? That's just you guessing as to motivations. How do you know he feels guilty? How do you know he's NOT holding back for chivalrous reasons? How do you know she didn't have plenty of other constructive ways of dealing with this?

 

[boag]

The dude isnt showing self control out of some form of Chivalry, the dude is showing self control because of Guilt.

He cheated on her, and the only way she found to deal with her frustration and anger was to beat the crap out of him. Was it smart? No. Was it rational? No. Was it even Justified? nope.

But seriously what course of action did she have left?

there is no legislation available to protect people in this position.

BS, he was showing restraint because he knew people were watching and if he retaliated he'd probably have been the one in cuffs.

You ask what legislation is available for people in her position? Why should there be, cheating in a relationship isn't a legal matter, nor should it be. All she can do is scream at him and break up. Like a normal person. There's no excuse for violence and the dumb ***** deserves jail time.

I do believe cheating is a form of emotional abuse.

You cant say that devoting yourself to a commited relationship, isnt damaging.

***READ***, I am not condoning her acts, I am merely pointing out the fact that people can get away with cheating without any form of punishment.

Again, BS.

Cheating isn't a form of emotional abuse and fortunately the courts don't see it that way.

It'd also be interesting to know whether you'd be as quick to contextualise if it was a man beating on a woman because she cheated on him. Or are men not as easily abused emotionally?

ok, why am I being targeted as a proponent of double standards?

If the positions were reversed, yes I would also call to point that cheating is a form of abuse.

You dont think infidelity it is a form emotional abuse?

Placing complete trust, and investing, time, money and emotional stability and then being betrayed isnt a form of abuse?

 

[BloatedGuppy]

Well, the definition of feminism is flawed as the word feminism doesn't lend itself to equality. The better term would be humanism. Feminism is about women alone, that isn't equality.

Yeah, well, that's the definition. Take it up with the people down at the dictionary if it bothers you. If people didn't continually invent their own definition of the word "feminism" maybe we could have a reasonable discussion about it for a change.

I mean, shit. I don't like definition of the word "table". It doesn't fit. I think it should be called a "Slabulite". That seems a lot more appropriate.

Can we stick with the dictionary definition of things? Is that fair?

 

[manic_depressive13]

Well, the definition of feminism is flawed as the word feminism doesn't lend itself to equality. The better term would be humanism. Feminism is about women alone, that isn't equality.

Well unfortunately it isn't called humanism. It's called feminism. But I completely agree with you. While we're at it, we could change the term "mankind" to a gender neutral term, like "personkind". We can stop using "man" as a more general term for humanity. We could remove the word "man" from the word "woman". Or, you know, we could just get the fuck over it.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

You dont think infidelity it is a form emotional abuse?

Placing complete trust, and investing, time, money and emotional stability and then being betrayed isnt a form of abuse?

No, it isn't.

I was cheated on. Repeatedly. It was devastating. At no point did I say or think "I have been abused".

There is a degree of emotional risk involved in relationships. If you're not prepared to assume that risk, you should really stay single. No one is forcing you to couple up.

 

[boag]

I am not hypothesizing actions either, the video is labeled as such, I am simply making an observation with the evidence given.

The dude isnt showing self control out of some form of Chivalry...

Hypothesizing his motivation for holding back.

...the dude is showing self control because of Guilt

Hypothesizing he feels guilty.

He cheated on her, and the only way she found to deal with her frustration and anger was to beat the crap out of him.

Hypothesizing she had "no other way to deal with her frustration and anger".

Even if you do KNOW that he cheated, which we don't, Youtube headline notwithstanding, but even if we ASSUME that this actually happened, all that other stuff you supplied? That's just you guessing as to motivations. How do you know he feels guilty? How do you know he's NOT holding back for chivalrous reasons? How do you know she didn't have plenty of other constructive ways of dealing with this?

I do agree with your assessment, perhaps I have jumped a bit far into conclusions about this case in particular.

With that said, I still believe that there should be some legal recourse to deal with infidelity, which is what prompted my initial post.

 

[LetalisK]

I was initially neutral on what she was doing, since I could see a scenario where I would cheer what happened to that guy. Then she started acting belligerent with the police and it became apparent this is probably more of a problem with her.

That's like saying you would cheer on a guy beating a girl for cheating on him, since that was all the information we had. It's an identical scenario.

And what's your point? I already know I would react differently. Well, unless it was a retardedly extreme scenario, of course.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

With that said, I still believe that there should be some legal recourse to deal with infidelity, which is what prompted my initial post.

I hear that you do. Society at large disagrees, and rightfully so. Relationships are very complex. The motivations for cheating are very complex. There are no laws to protect you from heartbreak, nor should there be. It is not a legal issue, and it is not something I would want the courts meddling in.

And no, I am not a proponent of cheating, but it's not an issue for the courts.

 

[Actual]

Sexist BS, you clearly don't believe in equality.

No, cheating should not be a crime.

True, I don't believe in equality, I think it's a very foolish idea. I believe each person should be judged on their merits alone regardless of whatever groups they may fit into including gender.

The don't hit girls rule is a silly generalisation that women tend to be weaker than men, well that's correct, they do tend to be weaker than men, so in general you shouldn't hit them. The rule doesn't cover all ethical angles of every situation you could be put in but it's a good starting line to figure out the correct action from.

And cheating shouldn't be a crime because relationships are so complicated it would be almost impossible to enforce any legal punishments. Much simpler just to physically punish someone who is a scumbag and cheats.

 

[boag]

There is a degree of emotional risk involved in relationships. If you're not prepared to assume that risk, you should really stay single. No one is forcing you to couple up.

I believe your argument here is essentially flawed.

There is risk in every single action taken every day.

Slipping on the shower, getting run over by a car, getting mugged, that is no argument to say, you shouldnt X because you cant assume the risk.

There should be more recourse than just "get over it" for the party that suffered some form of infidelity.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

There should be more recourse than just "get over it" for the party that suffered some form of infidelity.

Why should there be? I don't understand this. Why should you be protected from emotional upheaval in your relationships? How would you legislate that? 2 years in prison for a drunken night of sex with your ex-girlfriend? My wife flirted with the bartender, 3 months probation? How about duration of cheating? Intensity? What about who it was with? What if you did something to merit it? What if you were frigid, or dysfunctional, or just a super prick?

It's not a legal issue. It will NEVER be a legal issue. And it SHOULD NEVER be a legal issue.