Female brutality - NOW WITH VIDEO!!!

[boag]

And no, I am not a proponent of cheating, but it's not an issue for the courts.

I know you arent, i am not making that statement.

I think we might be diverging in points here.

so lets clear it up a bit

1.- should cheating be punishable by the law?
To an extent it should, and in a way it is, most of pre-marital contracts already have it stipulated.

2.-is cheating a form of emotional abuse?
I believe it is.

 

[Marcus Kehoe]

I want her put in jail, just like if I saw a man do it. And you now if he were to hit back he would be the one in jail.

 

[Epona]

Well, the definition of feminism is flawed as the word feminism doesn't lend itself to equality. The better term would be humanism. Feminism is about women alone, that isn't equality.

Yeah, well, that's the definition. Take it up with the people down at the dictionary if it bothers you. If people didn't continually invent their own definition of the word "feminism" maybe we could have a reasonable discussion about it for a change.

I mean, shit. I don't like definition of the word "table". It doesn't fit. I think it should be called a "Slabulite". That seems a lot more appropriate.

Can we stick with the dictionary definition of things? Is that fair?

No, Feminism is not about equality regardless of an outdated definition. I don't take issue with the definition though, until someone insists we acknowledge it. I don't acknowledge it because actions speak louder than words. Any movement that is interested in helping only one group cannot be called an equality movement.

 

[boag]

There should be more recourse than just "get over it" for the party that suffered some form of infidelity.

Why should there be? I don't understand this. Why should you be protected from emotional upheaval in your relationships? How would you legislate that? 2 years in prison for a drunken night of sex with your ex-girlfriend? My wife flirted with the bartender, 3 months probation? How about duration of cheating? Intensity? What about who it was with? What if you did something to merit it? What if you were frigid, or dysfunctional, or just a super prick?

It's not a legal issue. It will NEVER be a legal issue. And it SHOULD NEVER be a legal issue.

ok, please refrain from the silly examples, I believe can have a civil discussion without devolving to strawman arguments.

Jailtime for this time of abuse is never going to happen nor should it, that we can both agree on.

But, you should be able to sue someone over infidelity, you can already sue someone for mental duress and neglect. heck, the more i think about it and research it, the more i thing that there might already be legal recourse to this and I am just ignorant about it.

 

[Mallefunction]

Just watch this, simply incredible:

Well yeah. People are brutal to each other regardless of sex, race, age, etc. It's not acceptable for anyone to do it so I dunno why you singled out women as being ore brutal. The fact of the matter is simply that they are no more, no less brutal than men, men just tend to be a lot less likely to report it out of fear that no one will believe them or that they will be seen as weak for being beaten up by their girlfriend.

Maybe it's important to point it out when women are violent because there seems to be this public attitude that only men are violent. In the US we have the Violence Against Women Act (VAWA), not the Act Against Domestic Violence and not a separate act to protect men. See the bias? See why it's important to counter what feminism has taught in the last 50 years?

In fact, I would bet that this attitude that only men are violent is why this women felt secure in beating this man. She knew he probably wouldn't fight back and if he did, he would be in violation of VAWA. Had she thought there was equality and that he would have knocked her on her ass, maybe she wouldn't have hit him.

That was not my argument at all. And feminism isn't the enemy, hon. True feminism IS about equality. The extremists (who are HARDLY the majority, just the loudest as with any group) are the ones who want priority over men.

 

[Epona]

I want her put in jail, just like if I saw a man do it. And you now if he were to hit back he would be the one in jail.

Wait, you say "he would be the one in jail". Does that mean that if he hit her back, she would not go to jail?

 

[BloatedGuppy]

No, Feminism is not about equality regardless of an outdated definition. I don't take issue with the definition though, until someone insists we acknowledge it. I don't acknowledge it because actions speak louder than words. Any movement that is interested in helping only one group cannot be called an equality movement.

Oh for fucks sake, who updated the definition? You? There is no updated definition. That's the definition. If you can't cope with the fact that the English language has words, and those words have definitions, and the fun definitions you make up in your head aren't going to be shared by society at large, then we really can't have any sort of conversation at all, because I'm never going to know WHAT THE FUCK YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

 

[Epona]

Just watch this, simply incredible:

Well yeah. People are brutal to each other regardless of sex, race, age, etc. It's not acceptable for anyone to do it so I dunno why you singled out women as being ore brutal. The fact of the matter is simply that they are no more, no less brutal than men, men just tend to be a lot less likely to report it out of fear that no one will believe them or that they will be seen as weak for being beaten up by their girlfriend.

Maybe it's important to point it out when women are violent because there seems to be this public attitude that only men are violent. In the US we have the Violence Against Women Act (VAWA), not the Act Against Domestic Violence and not a separate act to protect men. See the bias? See why it's important to counter what feminism has taught in the last 50 years?

In fact, I would bet that this attitude that only men are violent is why this women felt secure in beating this man. She knew he probably wouldn't fight back and if he did, he would be in violation of VAWA. Had she thought there was equality and that he would have knocked her on her ass, maybe she wouldn't have hit him.

That was not my argument at all. And feminism isn't the enemy, hon. True feminism IS about equality. The extremists (who are HARDLY the majority, just the loudest as with any group) are the ones who want priority over men.

If feminism were about equality, hon, then why isn't it called humanism or some other gender neutral term? Why don't feminists fight against VAWA since it is discriminatory? How about the discrimination present in custody hearings?

Feminism is about helping women and ONLY women. That's all fine but let's not claim it's about equality.

I am done with this because this topic will surely end with me getting a warning or worse.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

ok, please refrain from the silly examples, I believe can have a civil discussion without devolving to strawman arguments.

Jailtime for this time of abuse is never going to happen nor should it, that we can both agree on.

But, you should be able to sue someone over infidelity, you can already sue someone for mental duress and neglect. heck, the more i think about it and research it, the more i thing that there might already be legal recourse to this and I am just ignorant about it.

How are they "silly examples"? If you're going to legislate infidelity, you're going to run into "silly examples" all over the place. It's not a black and white situation.

As for sueing someone for infidelity, you're thinking of alienation of affection lawsuits, which are part of marriage law, which is it's own completely separate kettle of fish. It's almost a "breach of contract" situation.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

I am done with this because this topic will surely end with me getting a warning or worse.

It might. I guess it all depends on what your definition of "warning" is though. Maybe you think "warning" is some kind of exotic fruit. How would we know?

 

[pliusmannn]

that pathetic ginger just doesn't know armlock...

 

[Sizzle Montyjing]

Wow...
Why didn't he fight back?
But i'm glad she got arrested, she used physical abuse on him.

 

[DementedSheep]

Agh, he should have hit back or at least tried to restrain her. If I hit a guy I would expect him to hit back.

I gotta ask why is nobody helping that guy?

Simple answer, because he's a guy. Yes, there is a double standard in regards to women hitting men.

Not necessarily. There have been a number of cases of guys beating the shit out of girls and no one helping. Hell there was one recently in the area where I live where a guy beat the shit out of his girlfriend at a train station and no one did anything, it happens allot. People are can be reluctant to get involved especially if it?s a domestic.

 

[Artina89]

Them stupid bitches. They want equal rights but don't want to face the consequences of their violent actions! They think they can do whatever they want! Stupid women! Feminist idiots! We need to beat some sense into those whores!

The majority of posts are going to be along these lines, even though if you take careful note, not a single girl is going to support that individual's actions. She should be prosecuted and thrown into prison, just as any male should if he did that to a person. Ideally, no one should hit anyone. If someone becomes violent, they should be subdued, not attacked in return, and then they should be charged for their crimes. This applies regardless of sex or gender. If women are getting more lenient sentences, this should be immediately rectified, and any proper feminist would agree with me. Also, why didn't the people who filmed that shit try to help?

Along with the misogynistic comments in this thread, people are going to cite a social experiment in which they got two actors, one male and one female, and had the girl beat on the guy. Many people walked by without trying to help. They will argue that this is some sort of reverse sexism, but they would do well to note that in the end it was not men who helped the lad, but a few women who called her out. The gender roles that perpetuate the idea that men are stronger or more capable than women are the result of a male dominated society which seeks to promulgate its power. Feminism wishes to erase these gender roles so that everyone is seen as equal and judged on their own merits, as individuals.

Someone will also post a video by someone called the "AmazingAtheist" on youtube. That guy is a fucking idiot and you are merely discrediting your argument.

Thank you very much for saying this, this is pretty much my view on this. I have nothing more to add.

 

[StarsintheBlood]

If I hit a guy for no reason, I'll be insulted when he doesn't hit me back. Seriously, WHY did no one watching stop this!? I would have been all over there the moment she started kicking him in the head.

Props to the guy for standing his ground and not moving to a different seat. He did have some amount of class for not getting too worked up (even if it was out of fear for the prosecution he'd probably get for it).

 

[wadark]

Just watch this, simply incredible:

I want to comment...really bad. But there's nothing I can say without ranting for a good two to three hours. So I'll just say, that's fucked up.

 

[Sara Fontaine]

Under no circumstance is behaving like that acceptable, especially just out of nowhere and about something that really ought to have been discussed out of public if he did cheat. And the sad truth is that should it happen, especially in public, most people are happy to just sit and watch or pretend it's not happening rather than trying to help. I'll admit I'm part of those people, because I've found if you try to help it only ever seems to make things worse and suddenly you're being threatened with a criminal charge yourself for harrassment or assault (even if you committed neither).

Bless him for just accepting it though; I think he would have been more than justified if he had tried to defend himself, but then all of a sudden he would have become the bad guy, right? That's not equality.

 

[Helmholtz Watson]

ok I'll be serious now. I understand that and I realize that nobody defended her. However I don't think that people are wrong to express their opinion and I think that the people who make those comments make a fair point that we still live in a society that try's to be equal despite the fact that most people would get involved if the gender roles were reversed.
Case in point:

This going to be very half-hearted because I'm sick of having the same argument with the people on this site, it's honestly like pissing against the wind.

The people on the train should have gotten involved and stopped her but that has NOTHING to do with equal rights.
People not intervening is down to deep-seated ideas about gender-roles, the idea that you can't hit a woman comes from the idea that she's frail and wouldn't be able to take it. Historically, that is a male construction. Most feminists reject these gender notions but no one here wants to listen to that, for some reason they're emotionally attached to the idea that feminists are out to get them.

I don't even understand how equal rights came into the equation. She hit the guy and was put down forcefully by the police, what else would people have liked to happen? If the people (both men and women) on the train were in any way decent they would have stopped her, but they didn't, that's on them.
She will be put through legal punishments, the same as a man would have been if he had been in that position.

I agree, this has nothing to do with equal rights, more to do with deep held cultural beliefs.

 

[saruman31]

hahah but the chance of getting robbed is pretty slim and the robber being a girl is close to 0

I'm going to find you, rob you, then give you your stuff back and go "HAH!!".

'Cause I can get spiteful.

The dude isnt showing self control out of some form of Chivalry, the dude is showing self control because of Guilt.

He cheated on her, and the only way she found to deal with her frustration and anger was to beat the crap out of him. Was it smart? No. Was it rational? No. Was it even Justified? nope.

But seriously what course of action did she have left?

there is no legislation available to protect people in this position.

What course of action did she have left? Drop his ass on the curb, not make a fool of herself.

Listen, I'm sure a few of us have been cheated on, or not treated very nicely by a significant other. That's no excuse for acting like an animal.

And who's to say this is her first time acting out like this? She seems like the type that'd explode and kick this guy around at the littlest thing.

The guy looks scummy, but then again the girl doesn't look too ladylike either.

sure! come at me...sis!
Even if i like feisty women that one is freaking insane. The guy should have at least tried to hold the crazy. Getting pummeled in public is not good for anyone.

 

[CrimsonBlaze]

Either this guy did something to tick off his girlfriend and is just accepting any kind of punishment that she is dishing out to him because he feels he deserves it or he's the biggest wimp that I've ever seen.

If you F up, you come clean and try to work it out, if the opportunity even arises. One slap, punch or kick is probably justified, but getting stomped on in a train with people around is definitely not going to help your self-esteem in the slightest.

If she cheated on him, would one slap, kick or punch be justified from him to her? How many people would be sitting back watching if he slapped, punched or kicked her?

If people are truly against domestic violence, they shouldn't allow "one slap, punch or kick" from either party.

True, but I was referring to the video and not all relationships in general. If either of them gets violent, no matter who's at fault, then it's clearly time for them to part ways.