BRex21 said:
Its not so much this one video, but rather a greater social phenomena that causes this debate. The place equal rights comes in is exactly that she WON'T get the same legal punishments that a man would. By and large the western world gives women shorter punishments, in nicer facilities and more frequent conditional sentences. In fact Britain is currently looking at eliminating womens prisons all together.
We also have a tendency to justify female violence. IE "well he cheated." even when there is no evidence to support it.
Its also an equal rights issue directly because of the stark contrast of how this would have been handled had it been a woman assaulted by a man. Namely No one would have been laughing. We are simply better human beings when women are being harmed.
Its especially a rights issue when governments impose laws that demand that, in the event of domestic violence, the man be arrested. Essentially criminalizing BEING ASSAULTED. Many European countries and US states have laws specifically like that and these laws have been lobbied for by feminists.
Its also an equality issue that despite suffering 40-45% of all domestic violence injuries and are victims of approximately 70% of all nonreciprocal partner violence men in the states have a whopping 0% access to state funded domestic violence programs.
This is just another stark reminder of a very serious issue and people have a right to be angry.
Colour-Scientist said:
I don't think anyone here has seriously defended her violence.
This is in fact a small inaccurate sample of the population. It is a segment that is by and large dominated
Colour-Scientist said:
Don't use the word feminist as a broad umbrella term, it isn't one.
Dont pretend that I did, I refereed to the lobby actions of groups that includes NOW, the larges feminist organization in the world who, has over 50,000 members, receives millions of dollars in federal funding from the US government and billions of dollars of private donations. They worked tirelessly to lobby to end mens rights to fair trials including mandatory arrest policies without probable cause and the end to reasonable doubt in rape and sexual assault cases and campaigned against federal protection campaigns for men.
Colour-Scientist said:
I already said the people on the train should have stopped her but that isn't an equal rights issue that's a side-effect of a societal belief system.
Yes they should have, yet had the situation been reversed there would likely have been a large media outcry that all these men were such cowards for letting harm fall to a woman, and had a man gotten up and stopped her he would probably have gotten hauled away right next to the man who was being beaten.
Colour-Scientist said:
Of course it's a serious issue and, unfortunately, very few people who complain about it are willing to actively do something about it. The sad truth of it is most people are out to fight their own battles, be it Civil Rights groups, religious groups or feminists alike. The problem is gender roles and stereotypes are so ingrained in society it's very difficult to change them.
I do my best to make my voice heard for equal rights for women and, to be very honest, I'm sick of the defense that women have to take a punch in the face to even have a chance to get them. We've taken more than that at this point. Of course there are inequalities that effect men, and while it's wrong, I sometimes find it difficult to want to actively help the very people who tell me that I'm a hypocrite feminist ***** without knowing any of my actual opinions. And before someone attacks me for this, I don't mean men as a whole, I mean those who have the previously stated argument.
Okay, that woman very much deserved the punch in the face. The argument isn't that women should have to suffer physical violence, its that men should have the right to defend themselves. IE if this had been a man attacking a man and the bigger stronger man who was being attacked had stood up and punched his assailant in the face people probably would have applauded. Had he done it to her it would have been a despicable act of violence against women. As it stands he has there is a good chance that due to mandatory arrest policies, that man who got assaulted will have to spend a day in a jail cell for being a victim of violence.
You said "I do my best to make my voice heard for equal rights for women." and that just sums it up doesn't it. Equal rights for women. It's currently a "sexy" issue while getting those same rights for men is very unpopular. Hell you just have to look at Sweden to see just how extreme this can get. The S.C.U.M. manifesto has become a valid political statement, in case you are unfamiliar, The society for cutting up men manifesto, was written by a radical feminist who thought men were inferior and should all be executed. The arguments that it is a joke are somewhat overshadowed by the fact that the author did try to kill a couple of em. Speaking out against there modern actions like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7WVCkLUzJ8
Is frowned upon and equates you to an extreme "masculanist." If we look at the description which reads
This video INVERTS the type of violence we see & accept without question on a daily basis. It is supposed to make you THINK.
The problem is that there are hundreds of studies that peg violence committed by women to men more widespread a problem than violence committed by men to women generally settling on something around a 70/30 split. They say we accept violence against women without question but in all honesty we don't we take it VERY seriously. The allegations are enough to haul someone off to jail, a violation of US constitutional rights and those of most first world countries, and even if found innocent good luck finding a job that stays on your record for a very long time. They also justify their act of vigilantism and murder by saying that in this fictitious case the man happened to be a murderer and rapist. The irony of this is that the founder of the group got 3 years for the attempted premeditated murder of 2 people.
What this video ACTUALLY shows is an extreme version of something that frequently happens, societies complete willingness to ignore and laugh at and justify violence towards men on the basis of it failing to meet the criteria of our typical victimhood.
but the chance of getting robbed is pretty slim and the robber being a girl is close to 0
