Feminism: has it gone to far?
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Women get up to a year's paid maternity over here (UK). Men, on the other hand get two weeks. I completely agree that if women want equal pay in the workplace then men should have equal paid leave for after children are born. The way things are, I don't think that it's entirely reasonable for women to be paid less, if there's every chance that they will be paid for a year without doing any work.snide_cake said:
If paternity and maternity leave were equal, then there would be just as much chance of losing men to parenthood as women, so it would be grossly unfair to discriminate based on sex
Something so socially acceptable that she can be arrested under public order and assault charges eh?BiscuitTrouser said:
Lets see...rape in a public place, and she's just hit you? Police are gonna see right through that one. Even at that point just let go and walk away. If its not in a public place then its her word against yours.Sindaine said:
In fact, Why not do that? Say nothing and walk away if she kicks you in the balls. In fact for all your people who are concerned about being 'weak' Then thats the strongest thing to do.
At this point You're just raising 'ifs' and 'buts'.
Feminazi ideology is no different than those asshats in PETA when they believe themselves superior because the general population doesn't listen to what they have to say.Scarecrow 8 said:
Feminists always spew bullshit that women get paid less than men when, and as far as I've noticed, every pathetic soul that's working at a wal-Mart, target, Gamestop, Payless shoes, etc are all getting the same pay of minimum wage.
Their logic is flawed and typically renders their arguements somewhere from unintelligable to absolutely retarded. They want to be taken seriously like a man, but when they cause verbal arguements they expect to not get knocked the fuck out like any other man would if he had said the same thing as said female would. Women still run around this forsaken planet like they are the superior breed, yet demand they be treated as though as they are lesser beings.... this behavior is more so if the bimbo in question is hot and or in college. And once said woman is out of college and/or no longer considered worth boning, she realizes that as an ordinary individual she is not very special and that is something majority of us guys have to deal with if we wern't nerdy Straight "A" students or brain-dead jocks who will probably be bagging geek's groceries or mixing concrete as a career in the near future..... most women just have to pick a hard-working guy or one that's incredibly rich, lay on her back, eagle-spread, and she's set for the rest of her life. Women get lighter sentences in court (even less if she's hot... Deborah LaFayve), they typically get custody of the child in court (reguardless of how much smack she does in a day), and get sympathy from strangers when they so much as get choked up over something insignificant. Outside of anyone in family family, I despise a healthy portion of of the world's female population, could gave a shit less about the rest. I can safely say that I only care about .000000000002% of the world's female population, and they're lesbians who think the exact same thing as I do about other women and feminists (and one girlfriend).
anything else I believe about feminism can be found on Maddox's website.
/end rant
Oh gawd....this is just...I dont even...Wael Kash said:
I think we can sum this post up with you're avatar, but even then...
Also, ridiculous hyperbole is ridiculous. Whats worse, is that I just worked it out that you care for one tenth of a woman. Which suits this post perfectly
They won't because she's female, and why would a woman lie? They literally did not believe my friend was not attempting to assualt this freak, and took him for questioning. Why would they take the man's word? Even in a public place, must err on the side of caution right?cyber_andyy said:
As far as I know, Wonder Woman had never had slaves, neither has the rest of amazonia. They just really hated men due to the fact that men started wars and what not. They didn't use men as slaves, didn't see them as lower beings, but rather just more violent creatures.derelix said:
http://xkcd.com/774/Axolotl said:
I have no quarrel with the actual Feminist movement, and if I were to actually read the mission statements of the main national groups, I would probably agree with them. That said, I do have a problem with many individuals, and much obvious gender bias, in both directions.
And how well do you think a guy would fair in that situation? Police will almost invariably believe a woman if she cries rape. The worst ones in my opinion are when women get drunk and sleep with a guy, then regret it in the morning and cry rapecyber_andyy said:
There was a case a few years ago, where a man and a woman who hadn't met before were round at a mutual friend's house, where they all enjoyed some wine. They were all getting on all night, when the mutual friend went to bed. The man and woman kept on drinking together and ended up having sex. In the morning the woman cried rape. Eventually she retracted the accusation, but by that time the man had lost his job, and was viewed as a rapist by any number of people. That sort of thing can really mess up people's lives
I'm not trying to say that rape doesn't happen, or that guys don't take advantage of drunk women sometimes, but I think that there is a huge grey area where it is very questionable if something constitutes rape
I wouldn't say that they're anymore self righteous then any other world leaders. Think about it, one had to believe totally in their own way to lead the world in their way. One would need self righteousness to become a leader at the level of Hippolyta, or a Prez of a real country. Also Wonder Woman is more for equality. I said I hold Wonder Woman up as an example of awesome feminism, not the amazons. There is a difference.derelix said:
I thought that any accusation stayed on your record, regardless of whether you were convicted or not. Obviously it doesn't count as a criminal conviction, and you wouldn't have to report it to employers or anything, but it stays on the police's record doesn't it?Ultratwinkie said:
How you come to that idea?Scarecrow 8 said:
I really wonder if I in my postition still earn 40k/year less than my male colleague? Just because people are scared I might get pregnant at some point or why is that?
There is nothing about Superiortity but how can you speak about equality if a woman who has the honor or curse to get a child can not stay in a 200k/year job? Might be okayish if you are haircutter or secretary but not really if you are in a management position to take a few month off. You will loose your job...
Whats that to do with equality?
Well I am white female but I see many not Germans around me here in my office - and they would agree that they are treated equaly to everyone same jobs, same wages.Father Time said:
I dont quite understand where youre comming from but getting so offended by a thread that is not about racissm that you have to put your comment here makes me think you might be a rassist? Or am I now allowed to have an opinion because I am a white woman?!?
It's actually true where I live. Feminists nowadays seem to want higher wages, more vacation time, better bonuses, kinder treatment then men. I see women at work getting mad because I opened the door and walked through, rather than wait for them to walk 10 steps to the door and hold it for them. They complain because they are getting paid the same as their male counterpart, and when subjected to the same rules as everyone else in the office they scream "Women have come a long way you know! it seems we have further still to go!"child of lileth said:
However, these are not feminists. A feminist would beat you for opening a door for her, or give a big "Fuck you" for being treated better than a man at work. These are idiots
The question is though, how many households will be established on those - entirely fair - terms?Labyrinth said:
Whether by some male nature or because that's the role they're caught in, men are focused - or expected to focus - heavily on external careers that bring in money. This can of course be done combined with an active home life, as successful career mothers have already proven, but will men be willing to settle in with a monogamous relationship with children, do "they" want that scenario enough to labour for it on fair terms?
It's completely socially acceptable for a man to be single and amorous with numerous women throughout his entire life (in the west at least), so there's no social pressure to take on all that work. Nor should there be, neither on women. It's hard deny that there is - even now - aspects of such pressure and ideal for what home life women should also pursue, which alone would sway a larger number of women than men to "hold" this dream.
Add to this the fact that in many parts of the west males are continuously sacking behind in the education system, ironically especially in the most "gender equal" parts such as Scandinavia. The higher we get, the less male students there are, even in areas traditionally considered male such as law or medicine. The list of eligible partner to pursue that dream with, imposed by society or voluntarily chosen as it may be - grows ever shorter the higher a women advance in the educational system; and many advance far.
With a numeric lack of suitable partners already, and an unwillingness amongst (and no societal pressure on) some of those to put in an equal share of the work necessary for a household with children, (highly) educated women especially could find it difficult to establish a household on the ideal terms put forth here. Yet these would of course be the ones least willing to settle for the unfair traditionalist model.
If women want a household established, for whatever biological, sociological, psychological or voluntary choice reasons such want might spring from, then some of them will have to settle for doing more than their share of the work for the foreseeable future. The societal pressure on males to do that house work simply isn't the same, and changing that - or rather lift the societal pressure on women to fit this dream - will take some time. Hell, theorizing that our basest nature is not yet set completely out of effect, and probably never will be, there might even be less of a biological motivation for men to want (to put a lot of work into) a monogamous relationship.
Until men become as bound by societal norms to the household as women generally are, or women as free of it as men generally are, complete equality will be unfeasible. Even if such societal shift, which will take generations, was to materialize, the number of households would probably go down, in favour of more liberated singles. This of course is every bit as equal a construct as the nuclear family, but it is also radically different from the current call of equality within the nuclear family, and might rob some on both "sides" of possibilities they might have wanted to embrace; even at the cost of unfairness.
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Swings and roundabouts, stopping women from willingly doing a calendar is too far... men wouldn't stop other men.
However, on the other side of the scale (where they should be focussing their efforts) women get paid less and still have a glass cieling in a lot of career paths. So it's clearly not equal on that side of things.
However, on the other side of the scale (where they should be focussing their efforts) women get paid less and still have a glass cieling in a lot of career paths. So it's clearly not equal on that side of things.