Feminist Frequency needs a fact check?

[Meight08]

Fuck that is almost as bad as feminists getting mad at the word history because it is spelled
His-Story.

 

[him over there]

Fuck that is almost as bad as feminists getting mad at the word history because it is spelled
His-Story.

You're making that up, you must be.

 

[Soxafloppin]

Christ, this website needs a Femism/sexism forum.....

 

[Meight08]

Fuck that is almost as bad as feminists getting mad at the word history because it is spelled
His-Story.

You're making that up, you must be.

Nope some feminists say her-story instead of history.
Wish i was kidding.

 

[him over there]

Fuck that is almost as bad as feminists getting mad at the word history because it is spelled
His-Story.

You're making that up, you must be.

Nope some feminists say her-story instead of history.
Wish i was kidding.

That is both minute and silly and I refuse to believe anybody could think the pronunciation of a word is something in dire need of changing for the sake of equality. Hell I'd never even noticed that about the word history.

 

[Meight08]

Fuck that is almost as bad as feminists getting mad at the word history because it is spelled
His-Story.

You're making that up, you must be.

Nope some feminists say her-story instead of history.
Wish i was kidding.

That is both minute and silly and I refuse to believe anybody could think the pronunciation of a word is something in dire need of changing for the sake of equality. Hell I'd never even noticed that about the word history.

Ask some hardcore feminist what they think about the word history and lose a few brain cells.

 

[manic_depressive13]

I find her exceedingly reasonable and well spoken, and she always provides evidence for the claims she makes. She has never said that men are evil. She is merely trying to make people aware of the very real gender stereotypes that are reinforced in our media, often with the result of marginalising women. I didn't think she said anything fallacious or unreasonable in either of her two videos about lego. The gender disparity in the way lego is marketed is fucking disgusting, and I can't understand how anyone could possibly see the recent ads and not agree unless they are simply being perverse. This isn't an issue just with lego. This is a ubiquitous issue throughout all advertising to children. She chose to focus on lego because she loves lego, and because there was a time when lego's marketing was done fairly and can be starkly juxtaposed with the way things are done today.

 

[manic_depressive13]

Nope some feminists say her-story instead of history.
Wish i was kidding.

Yeah, they're almost as pathetic as the people who insist the word "feminist" should be changed to "equalist" except not nearly as common.

The "her-story" thing is a pun that points out the very real fact that history is male-centric simply because women did not have many opportunities to actually excel in the past. NO ONE thinks the word "history" should be changed.

 

[geK0]

Of all the things you posted Kirby is one I disagree with, it was pretty gender neutral, especially since the general consensus is that Kirby himself is a male. The only thing "girly" about it is the fact that he's pink, which is hardly a gender defining trait in that context. Kirby was more kiddy than anything else. he's also fucking awesome.

As for this whole thing? I checked out a few of her videos, I really didn't see anything overtly Feminist about them at all. All she really did was point out that gender roles exist and that corporations and media are willing to continue them for the sake of selling something. I think that all of these things have a right to exist, even though something like the Friends line exists to appeal to girls nothing is stopping them from a Bionicle or whatever. I think things that cater to a specific gender are fine, not everything has to be gender neutral. The problem is with the culture not the products, instead of saying that everything must be gender neutral simply allow boys to buy the girl products and girls to buy the boy products.

I wasn't going to add Kirby the list, but I have had to defend Kirby often enough from friends saying Kirby was for girls that it didn't feel so out of place in that list. Everything about the Kirby universe aside from a few enemies is pretty cutesy and faerie-like after all; that doesn't mean I don't love it, I've loved Kirby since I was four.
And Kirby is a guy? I always thought Kirby was genderless : \

 

[him over there]

all things which I enjoyed despite their cutesy, girlish themes.

Of all the things you posted Kirby is one I disagree with, it was pretty gender neutral, especially since the general consensus is that Kirby himself is a male. The only thing "girly" about it is the fact that he's pink, which is hardly a gender defining trait in that context. Kirby was more kiddy than anything else. he's also fucking awesome.

As for this whole thing? I checked out a few of her videos, I really didn't see anything overtly Feminist about them at all. All she really did was point out that gender roles exist and that corporations and media are willing to continue them for the sake of selling something. I think that all of these things have a right to exist, even though something like the Friends line exists to appeal to girls nothing is stopping them from a Bionicle or whatever. I think things that cater to a specific gender are fine, not everything has to be gender neutral. The problem is with the culture not the products, instead of saying that everything must be gender neutral simply allow boys to buy the girl products and girls to buy the boy products.

I wasn't going to add Kirby the list, but I have had to defend Kirby often enough from friends saying Kirby was for girls that it didn't feel so out of place in that list. Everything about the Kirby universe aside from a few enemies is pretty cutesy and faerie-like after all; that doesn't mean I don't love it, I've loved Kirby since I was four.
And Kirby is a guy? I always thought Kirby was genderless : \

He isn't officially, but that's what the general consensus seems to be. I've had quite a different experience with the pink blob though. I've had to justify liking him based on age not gender. The little guy is still pretty great though.

 

[uneek]

I think we all agree that while she makes many mistakes, she's still a fair blogger with a noble cause. That fact that she's asking for money might sound suspicious, but if you've already made up your mind about her, why should it matter? If you don't support her, don't give her any money. That's it.

 

[Denamic]

I think we all agree that while she makes many mistakes, she's still a fair blogger with a noble cause. That fact that she's asking for money might sound suspicious, but if you've already made up your mind about her, why should it matter? If you don't support her, don't give her any money. That's it.

Noble cause?
In intent, sure.
However, her videos are fraught with confirmation bias, finding issues where there really are none.
She's also polarising while preaching to her choir.

The end result is that she delivers a flawed message to people who already agree with her, while making people who disagree with her angry.
I cannot call that very noble.

 

[Ultrajoe]

I think we all agree that while she makes many mistakes, she's still a fair blogger with a noble cause. That fact that she's asking for money might sound suspicious, but if you've already made up your mind about her, why should it matter? If you don't support her, don't give her any money. That's it.

Just a point that needs making: Research costs money. She needs to pay editors, to eat and pay rent while she's doing it, pay for travel costs and to buy the products she's going to be working with. At least. Labor hours cost money, they need paying for. It's a miracle she only asked for $6000!

People say things like 'She has all the equipment, why is she asking for money?', but they've all, surely, heard of the concept of a research grant. That's what this is, a research grant, granted by interested members of the public. I know everyone is getting all worked up over the gender issues side of things, but this represents a brand new avenue for research projects that otherwise would never survive the cut-throat world of funding allocation.

So yeah, the take home point is this; Research always costs money, always, that's why scientists are always wailing about funding.

 

[jackpackage200]

Christ, this website needs a Femism/sexism forum.....

Oh my god yes. YES, YES, YES, YES. These topics get old after awhile. I am not saying that sexism is not an issue. But could we perhaps at least wait a week before a new one. I enjoy pwning misogynists as much as the next person but the number of threads on the subject is staggering.

 

[Torrasque]

Issues like job equality, same pay rate and the like? No, fuck that, lets have a bash at little plastic bricks you make things with. That is clearly a huge issue.

Guise, problem A exists so we have to ignore problem B until we've fixed problem A. There's absolutely no possible way we could identify and propose solutions to both problems. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dichotomy]

EDIT: also, discussing feminism on Off-Topic?

I give it five posts before we're overrun by people who got lost on the way to r/mensrights.

I mentally add a post like this to just about every kind of thread that is potentially controversial. It makes said post easier to notice, lol.

I am annoyed when people create issues where there should be no issues. Growing up, I never gave a damn about the genders of the legomen legopeople. They were just lego people. I usually dressed them up in armour and badass helmets anyways, so I could never tell. Pretty sure my favorite guy person (fuck this is annoying...) was a pure black guy just because I thought he was badass? OH FUCK. I JUST ADDED RACISM TO LEGO. AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Captcha: morning person.
LOL. I am not a morning person by any stretch of the imagination.

 

[uneek]

I think we all agree that while she makes many mistakes, she's still a fair blogger with a noble cause. That fact that she's asking for money might sound suspicious, but if you've already made up your mind about her, why should it matter? If you don't support her, don't give her any money. That's it.

Noble cause?
In intent, sure.
However, her videos are fraught with confirmation bias, finding issues where there really are none.
She's also polarising while preaching to her choir.

The end result is that she delivers a flawed message to people who already agree with her, while making people who disagree with her angry.
I cannot call that very noble.

Well, she's not doing it on purpose.

 

[Torrasque]

Christ, this website needs a Femism/sexism forum.....

Oh my god yes. YES, YES, YES, YES. These topics get old after awhile. I am not saying that sexism is not an issue. But could we perhaps at least wait a week before a new one. I enjoy pwning misogynists as much as the next person but the number of threads on the subject is staggering.

Ehhhhhhhh, I don't know...
I'd like to say that there would be some great discussions there, but I am afraid that the first week of it's creation, some 10 people get perma-banned for being opinionated about this.

 

[Owyn_Merrilin]

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Now, normally I've been just lurking most forums recently, sticking more to my RPs and such and not bothering with much of the rest of the Escapist, but I'm going to point a few things out in your post right now, which annoyed me.

Ah, I see the people crying about feminist frequency, because she dares to go against the party line and MILDLY criticize a few things, need to make yet another emo thread about it.

Predictably, it's filled with the same people that think they have a right to tell women what they should care about - clearly, men know better. Or so troglodytes like Rawne1980, Smashlovestitansquest, or Owyn_Merrilin seem to think.

Owyn_Merrilin is, obviously, the worst troglodyte among you lot. Wow.

We've got all these legitimate issues that affect women, and what gets them fired up? Some cop giving some candid advice about stranger rape.

1) If you're going to quote someone on something, ACTUALLY QUOTE THEM. Leave in their usename and such. Hell, it's the EXACT reason why I'm doing it to Owyn now. That way he can be notified that someone has responded to him instead of just being blindly ripped into without being told. I don't care what the topic is, it's just underhanded if you're going to take someone's post and attack them for it, then not even include it so they're aware of it. You won't get any debate back from them, and my first thought when it comes to that is "They're just doing that because they don't want rebuttal". Whether that's true or not, I don't know, but it's just decent etiquette to at least notify someone if you're going to debate what they're saying.

This? By far the worst in this thread.

That you seriously can come here and think that rape is not a "legitimate issue" truly says it all. Really: You cannot make feminist frequency's point better for her. You are living proof of how deeply entrenched sexism is. So thanks for posting. You prove her right.

Good work. Spoiler, clownface: Rape, and the dismissal of it, is one of the bigger issues. That's why "slutwalks" got big in the first place. Use brain. That's why you have it. Stop thinking with the shriveled up meat between your legs, its function isn't thinking.

Would you be spewing your "arguments" if the cop had made these comments about children that were raped? No, you wouldn't. Why? Because you'd be a child-rape defending piece of trash.

2) Honestly, I didn't get the impression that he was attempting to downplay the issue of rape in his post. That's just me though. I going to be nice here and assume the wording he used wasn't the best and that he's a decent guy who knows that "Rape is bad" and just venting a bit of annoyance that it seems to be brought up as the biggest/only issue by some. I got more of a vibe that there was annoyance at the fact that it's an issue that's brought up and focused on more despite there being more common issues that play a larger effect in society that people don't seem to be as worked up about.

3) You took an entire part of his quote (over 2/3 of it) out as well which tied more into the slut walk thing being about the 'slut' angle and the meaning of the word in our culture. In my mind, I really have no opinion on slut walks and such, but the term of it to me seems rather stupid. There won't be success found by attempting to change the meaning of a word with brute force.

If I disagree I face being crucified by people jumping to the conclusion I am a women hater which I am most certainly not.

You're not being crucified, you face something called criticism. This happens if you speak in public.

You are crying about being crucified for people saying to you what you say about this youtube person. Your hypocrisy is completely off the charts. You seriously have the audacity to attack a youtube video maker with clueless, trite arguments, and then turn around and whine when people poke holes into your mess?

That's pathetic.

Also, helpful tip: You will not be accused of being a woman hater if you stop dismissing misogynist hate campaigns. You could also stop using misogynist arguments. It'd help a ton

6) And oh my god, it's the end of my post and the time for the Shyamalan twist at the very end of it all, you're the EXACT type of fucking person who is crucifying someone rather than criticizing. I likely would have agreed before that the over-reaction to the posts so far was a bit strong, but man, did you ever prove me wrong. You're the type of person who undermines their own goals by being such an asshole to the people they're wanting to convince/argue with to the point that they then associate the argument with people like you, and automatically come to dismiss more valid points due to the conditioning you're putting on them. Whether it is religion, politics, or whatever, you're giving people a knee jerk reaction that makes some people think less of "Feminist" and more of "Femanazi". If you're going to use mudslinging in your argument, and come off with an extremely condescending and smug tone, all you're going to have people do is dismiss you're entire post as the trash it is.

So please (And I hope the sarcasm shows here), prove me right. Crawl back into the "I'm the victim" style of argument. Call me a misogynistic asshole for something I've said in this post, slander me all you want, you'll only be proving my final point all the more correct, and you?re doing little more than shooting yourself in your own foot.

Or, come back to this with a calm, and level minded head, approach supposed ignorance with tolerance and discussion rather than looking down on them from the false pedestal you've placed yourself on top of and you might actually get somewhere rather than just fueling the flames.

Thank you for quoting me. I had already come across Zefiris' post and responded to it by the time you wrote this up, but the thought is appreciated. Also, thank you for getting (most of) the Slutwalk allusions. The entire post was actually about that specific movement, I had no intention of belittling rape as a major issue, that would be absolutely absurd.

The slutwalk was set off when a cop mentioned that walking alone in a bad part of town in the middle of the night drunk and dressed like a "slut" was a stupid thing to do that added to the risk of stranger rape, and suddenly a whole movement sprung up over the word "slut" and the concept of victim blaming -- which has apparently spread from simply meaning "blaming the victim for being victimized" to "suggesting that women have it in their power to do absolutely anything to minimize their risk of getting raped." To hear the activists from that particular event talk, so much as telling a woman she should probably lock her door at night is tantamount for blaming her for getting raped if someone manages to get into her house and rape her. Personally, I find the whole thing both misogynistic and misandristic, since on the one hand it paints women as delicate little flowers incapable of doing anything to minimize their chances of getting raped, and on the other hand it paints men as either rapists waiting for a chance to strike, or idiots who need to be taught something as basic as "rape bad." So I guess it's essentially misanthropic.

Anyway, I guess it was my mistake for assuming anyone reading this thread would be well versed enough in the subject that I could allude to it without spelling out what each reference was talking about.

 

[MASTACHIEFPWN]

No military theme?
I guess we aren't concidering the Rebles/Empire and Republic/Droids theme military...

But, alas, stupid people will be stupid. People love attention, and will cut under your skin to get it.
View this woman as a troll. trollin' and what not.

 

[James Ennever]

Ah, I see the people crying about feminist frequency, because she dares to go against the party line and MILDLY criticize a few things, need to make yet another emo thread about it.

Predictably, it's filled with the same people that think they have a right to tell women what they should care about - clearly, men know better. Or so troglodytes like Rawne1980, Smashlovestitansquest, or Owyn_Merrilin seem to think.

Owyn_Merrilin is, obviously, the worst troglodyte among you lot. Wow.

We've got all these legitimate issues that affect women, and what gets them fired up? Some cop giving some candid advice about stranger rape.

This? By far the worst in this thread.

That you seriously can come here and think that rape is not a "legitimate issue" truly says it all. Really: You cannot make feminist frequency's point better for her. You are living proof of how deeply entrenched sexism is. So thanks for posting. You prove her right.

Good work. Spoiler, clownface: Rape, and the dismissal of it, is one of the bigger issues. That's why "slutwalks" got big in the first place. Use brain. That's why you have it. Stop thinking with the shriveled up meat between your legs, its function isn't thinking.

Would you be spewing your "arguments" if the cop had made these comments about children that were raped? No, you wouldn't. Why? Because you'd be a child-rape defending piece of trash.

If I disagree I face being crucified by people jumping to the conclusion I am a women hater which I am most certainly not.

You're not being crucified, you face something called criticism. This happens if you speak in public.

You are crying about being crucified for people saying to you what you say about this youtube person. Your hypocrisy is completely off the charts. You seriously have the audacity to attack a youtube video maker with clueless, trite arguments, and then turn around and whine when people poke holes into your mess?

That's pathetic.

Also, helpful tip: You will not be accused of being a woman hater if you stop dismissing misogynist hate campaigns. You could also stop using misogynist arguments. It'd help a ton

You ssume that I fear counter argument, that I do not. what I do dislike is stupid people jumping to conclusions about a persons point of veiw on matters of gender like calling me misogynistic or any other false statements.

As some posts above state, girls buy star wars lego and the freinds line is simply a way to broaden the audience. What FF suguests is an entire overhaul of lego current asthetic style based on her own PERSONEL veiws. If lego did what one person with an opinion (Male or female) then the company would go bankrupt and stop producing A relitively gender neutral product.

not actually reading the op or watching the videos before creating an opinion is also very rude and does your intelect no favors.