Fertility Doc Promises Cloned Babies Within Two Years

[GothmogII]

Isn't a clone basically the same thing as a twin, only with the whole man-made thing?

Also, eww.

Actually, I think technically, twins are clones.
Or something along those lines...

That's either pedantic or insightful.

Aye, it's when the zygote (egg) splits into two separate embryos. Though you can get non-identical twins too.

 

[TerribleTerryTate]

Clones do not have souls, no.
Or at least, I do not think so, but then again, I don't believe in souls.

The thing is this, though: We don't need more people.
We need less.
Unless you're going to be cloning scientists, in which case, go for it. We need more geniuses.

Just cloning a smart person isn't a guarantee that you're going to end up with a genius. I mean...I know we'd all like to think a clone of Einstein or Gandhi is going to be just like them, but, more realistically how they are raised is going to be a large factor. Not least of all, imagine how they will feel with that kind of expectation put upon them from birth? Hell, I could tomorrow find out I'm Jesus Christ re-incarnate, doesn't mean I'm going to try and continue his work, nor feel pressured to do so.

That is true, but I figure if you clone highly intelligent people, you, at the very least, have all of the component parts required for them to do something good for the world.

If you clone an athlete or whatever, and they're raised with a love for sports or whatever, well...

Though, there's always the chance the clone will rebel for no reason other than the fact that it's a cliche to do so.

Apart from harvesting organs (which doesn't seem ethical) and for the hell of it, what is the point of cloning someone when the world is already overpopulated?

Fuck ethics. If I'm dying of an acute case of "bullet in lung" syndrome, I would want organs harvested to keep me alive.

Hell, that's probably the best use for them.

Agreed. At the end of the day, harvested organs enables more possibilites. Whether it be searching for cures for diseases/cancers, or as Max mentioned, injuries or worse.
Ehtics to me in this situation aren't important. I'd rather our chances of curing disease and life threatening illnesses went much higher. Do you think patients with heart or liver failure on their death bed give a shit about the ethics of the harvested organ they may be given in the future? I highly doubt it, because if I was in that situation I'd bite the Doctor's hand off if I was offered it.

 

[Svenparty]

This is only happening so fast because Dr. Panayiotis Zavos and clone Dr. Panayiotis Zavos are using both their huge brains to speed the cloning progress.


It's interesting that the location of this project is underneath some middle east place. makes you wonder what experiments happen we don't know about.

 

[Simriel]

And, most importantly, if you found out you had a clone, would you make out with yourself?

My girl would adore that... Too much...

 

[Samurai Goomba]

Gotta be this song (c) Isaac Asimov

Oh, give me a clone
Of my own flesh and bone
With its Y-chromosome changed to X
And when it is grown
Then my own little clone
Will be of the opposite sex.

Clone, clone of my own,
With your Y-Chromosome changed to X
And when I'm alone
With my own little clone
We will both think of nothing but sex.

I thank yew.

This reminds me of "All You Zombies", by Robert Heinlein.
In short, it's about a time traveler who, through the paradoxes of time and space, becomes his own father and mother.

I remember that one. Pretty funny. There was another I remember where I guy set out to use time travel to stop an evil tyrant, only to find out that the evil tyrant was a time travel'd version of himself.

I'm against cloning. People shouldn't be treated like commodities, valuables, test subjects or animals. Seems like "Brave Newer World" had a lot to say on the subject, not to mention Gattaca.

 

[Doug]

I refer you all to the film The Sixth Day, starring Arnold Schwarzenegger in a later role (hear me out, this isn't like his turn as Mr Freeze, he was actually good in this role!)

Basically, he plays a pilot working for an extreme sports company in the near future. Technology is mostly the same as now but cloning has reached new levels of sophistication to the point that embryos and cloned humans can be genetically sped up, as it were, to reach adulthood in just a few days, before a trigger stops the rapid growth and normal growth continues. Human cloning is strictly illegal, but animal cloning is now commercial to the point that companies offer clones to replace dead animals, something Arnie's character does early on when his daughter's dog dies. Despite this, Arnie is extremely skeptical of cloning, and his fears are founded when he returns home one day to find an illegal clone of him has taken over his lif, and the clone thinks he is the real deal. With his family unknowing of the clone, and assassins after him, Arnie tries to find out what's going on and basically bust open this conspiracy. The film has some humour in it when the assassins are killed off in various odd ways, yet return as they are all pre-made clones of different actual assassins (also dead).

The plot sounds silly, but it was shown to us in a Religous Studies class a few years ago, and raises some very interesting questions about cloning and the ideas of whether or not a cloned human would have a soul or spirit, or any moral rights. I advise you all see that film, it's worth a look and is actually very interesting. Incidentally, it was named after the Sixth Day of the Bible, when God created mankind after creating the universe, for anyone interested.

I did actually see that movie, and although it was unlikely scientifically, who knows?

Anyway, I don't see what all this woo-hah is about souls anyway. Unless you can prove they don't have souls and regular people do, you should act as if they do. Its just gene sequences for gods sake, its not stealing the essence of someone.

 

[GothmogII]

Clones do not have souls, no.
Or at least, I do not think so, but then again, I don't believe in souls.

The thing is this, though: We don't need more people.
We need less.
Unless you're going to be cloning scientists, in which case, go for it. We need more geniuses.

Just cloning a smart person isn't a guarantee that you're going to end up with a genius. I mean...I know we'd all like to think a clone of Einstein or Gandhi is going to be just like them, but, more realistically how they are raised is going to be a large factor. Not least of all, imagine how they will feel with that kind of expectation put upon them from birth? Hell, I could tomorrow find out I'm Jesus Christ re-incarnate, doesn't mean I'm going to try and continue his work, nor feel pressured to do so.

That is true, but I figure if you clone highly intelligent people, you, at the very least, have all of the component parts required for them to do something good for the world.

If you clone an athlete or whatever, and they're raised with a love for sports or whatever, well...

Though, there's always the chance the clone will rebel for no reason other than the fact that it's a cliche to do so.

Apart from harvesting organs (which doesn't seem ethical) and for the hell of it, what is the point of cloning someone when the world is already overpopulated?

Fuck ethics. If I'm dying of an acute case of "bullet in lung" syndrome, I would want organs harvested to keep me alive.

Hell, that's probably the best use for them.

Agreed. At the end of the day, harvested organs enables more possibilites. Whether it be searching for cures for diseases/cancers, or as Max mentioned, injuries or worse.
Ehtics to me in this situation aren't important. I'd rather our chances of curing disease and life threatening illnesses went much higher. Do you think patients with heart or liver failure on their death bed give a shit about the ethics of the harvested organ they may be given in the future? I highly doubt it, because if I was in that situation I'd bite the Doctor's hand off if I was offered it.

I'm loving this, really. I really hope when you genuinely need an organ transplant you get it. From someone who gave up their own organs, free to go the many heartless bastards out there who really don't deserve it.

Oh deary, there I go ranting. Feeling generally sorry for the cloned people who may come into this world the same way we do, only to get mercilessly butchered because 'they aren't like us', considered little more than sub-human meat bags. Ahh, but where's the harm right? We can always make more eh?

 

[scotth266]

Clones do not have souls, no.
Or at least, I do not think so, but then again, I don't believe in souls.

The thing is this, though: We don't need more people.
We need less.
Unless you're going to be cloning scientists, in which case, go for it. We need more geniuses.

But without souls, Nightmare has nothing to do...

And seconded. No more people are required.

 

[GothmogII]

Clones do not have souls, no.
Or at least, I do not think so, but then again, I don't believe in souls.

The thing is this, though: We don't need more people.
We need less.
Unless you're going to be cloning scientists, in which case, go for it. We need more geniuses.

But without souls, Nightmare has nothing to do...

And seconded. No more people are required.

Depends. If there's say, a great explosion in space exploration at some point in the future it could become something to look into a little deeper. Though, maybe I've just been playing too much EVE online .

 

[Nimbus]

Aye, it's when the zygote (egg) splits into two separate embryos. Though you can get non-identical twins too.

That is just basically two unconnected pregnancies happening at the same time. It, if I am right about this, just happens when two unfertilized eggs get fertilized at the same time. Could be caused by anything from fertillity treatments to atificial insemination gone wrong.

 

[Earnest Cavalli]

Its just gene sequences for gods sake, its not stealing the essence of someone.

Well that's the crux of the argument: Until someone actually starts cloning people and proves otherwise incontrovertibly, many would argue that it just might be "stealing the essence of someone."

Then again, people still believe cameras snatch souls on taking your picture.

Me personally, I just wanna tongue kiss my clone in front of the Pope. Short of murdering the sun or punching Jesus in the nose, I don't know how I could instantly become any more controversial.

 

[Doug]

Its just gene sequences for gods sake, its not stealing the essence of someone.

Well that's the crux of the argument: Until someone actually starts cloning people and proves otherwise incontrovertibly, many would argue that it just might be "stealing the essence of someone."

Then again, people still believe cameras snatch souls on taking your picture.

Me personally, I just wanna tongue kiss my clone in front of the Pope. Short of murdering the sun or punching Jesus in the nose, I don't know how I could instantly become any more controversial.

Ok, have a lookie at your keyboard... I'll wait

See the hair, dust and grease? Simply typing out these words leaves billions apon billions of pieces of your skin on the keyboard, each with a copy of your DNA. And yet you don't 'lose' anything, because its the pattern and the reading of it thats important, not the copying of it.

And seriously, why is everyone making out with their clones even when they aren't gay/lesban/bi/bicurious/etc?

 

[Lios]

I still don't see much point with cloning, especially since we're starting to become somewhat overpopulated.

 

[IxionIndustries]

Wow... That's awesome. Screw all the ethical and moral bullshit, I want a clone of myself. A healthy one that I can transplant organs from, like in The Island.
But if it ever got out, and stalked me to get my identity, being the sneaky bastard that I already am, I would stab it in the back like swiss cheese..

P.S. Is it weird that I think making out with a clone of yourself of the opposite gender is a lil' kinky?

 

[Aegwadar]

I see nothing wrong with cloning... but cloning people? Really? As if there weren't enough of them already?

Agreed.

*snip*

Apart from harvesting organs (which doesn't seem ethical) and for the hell of it, what is the point of cloning someone when the world is already overpopulated?

Fuck ethics. If I'm dying of an acute case of "bullet in lung" syndrome, I would want organs harvested to keep me alive.

Hell, that's probably the best use for them.

And Bam! But we don't need to clone more peeps for organs.. We can use the "organ farms" aka. Retarded People...

I can almost hear the bleeding heart people's blood pressure rise....

 

[G1eet]

Gotta be this song (c) Isaac Asimov

Oh, give me a clone
Of my own flesh and bone
With its Y-chromosome changed to X
And when it is grown
Then my own little clone
Will be of the opposite sex.

Clone, clone of my own,
With your Y-Chromosome changed to X
And when I'm alone
With my own little clone
We will both think of nothing but sex.

I thank yew.

This reminds me of "All You Zombies", by Robert Heinlein.
In short, it's about a time traveler who, through the paradoxes of time and space, becomes his own father and mother.

I remember that one. Pretty funny. There was another I remember where I guy set out to use time travel to stop an evil tyrant, only to find out that the evil tyrant was a time travel'd version of himself.

I'm against cloning. People shouldn't be treated like commodities, valuables, test subjects or animals. Seems like "Brave Newer World" had a lot to say on the subject, not to mention Gattaca.

Yea time travel would mess so much stuff up if it could be harnessed.
And now that you mentioned Huxley, all I can think about is the Alpha's and Beta's...

 

[lacktheknack]

Meh, they'll be ultra-expensive with a high fail-rate, no doubt.

 

[Liverandbacon]

Gotta be this song (c) Isaac Asimov

Oh, give me a clone
Of my own flesh and bone
With its Y-chromosome changed to X
And when it is grown
Then my own little clone
Will be of the opposite sex.

Clone, clone of my own,
With your Y-Chromosome changed to X
And when I'm alone
With my own little clone
We will both think of nothing but sex.

I thank yew.

And that sort of thing is why I love Asimov. I have a whole book of stuff like that written by him.

 

[Rath709]

Hooray, spare parts for all.