Fertility Doc Promises Cloned Babies Within Two Years

[Vern]

Answer to the ethical/moral questions. A: Human's don't have souls, so it doesn't matter if the clones don't either. B: The clones would be created from human DNA, and they would be organic and able to think and reason like any other human, so they should be treated exactly the same way since they are human. C: No I wouldn't make out with my clone, no. Now if it was a sexy lady clone however... I personally think cloning is a really bad idea though, since we're already creating new humans at a rate of knots and facing the effects of it we don't need new ones. Now cloning new organs for transplants seems like a good idea. If it has the exact same DNA as the host it was cloned from the odds of rejection I would imagine would be quite a bit lower. Only problem is if the cloned organ would contain the same defects as the original one. However, this would allow family members of the ill person the ability to clone their own healthy organs and give them to the recipient without sacrificing theirs. However creating a fully formed human clone as an organ farm shouldn't be done, simply because they would be a fully functioning human being, so killing them for organs would be tantamount to murder.

 

[Kuchinawa212]

All you guys can have your clones to do..whatever with.
My clones? I'd give them all shiny white armor and make a galatic republic. Male or Female, whatever, I just want an army of me s. Ohh and I would also have my named changed to Jango.

 

[jboking]

I hate to stamp on anyones happy parade, but a clone would not be you, they would simply share your genetic structure, if I made a clone of me right now I would not live on, it would be an empty shell with none of my memories, personality or knowledge.

Would you agree that some people are naturally better at some things(sports, writing, etc.) before any training? That would be what they are focusing on cloning, not your personality or memory, just your genetic skills.

Meh, they'll be ultra-expensive with a high fail-rate, no doubt.

Imagine if you had to pay the full price of the clone in order to get the set of organs as insurance. Imagine if you had to make monthly payments on an organ you are now using. Imagine if you were late on a payment [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0963194/].

 

[Mookie_Magnus]

Even forgetting that however, Zavos' research raises an endless number of ethical and moral questions, not the least of which is whether a human clone is actually a human.

Do clones have souls? Do clones deserve the same rights offered to humans created through more traditional genital-based methods?

If souls exist, Yes they do. And yes, they have rights too - just because they were created unethnically doesn't mean they should be treated as less than other embryos.

And, most importantly, if you found out you had a clone, would you make out with yourself?

No, no I wouldn't.

Anywho, the biggest ethnical problem to all this is "ITS NOT SAFE YOU QUACK!" Remember Dolly, the cloned sheep? Well, the clone had a very unhappy live of chronic disease and defects and died very early on. Why? Because the process of cloning is very new and very sensitive, and hence big errors are easy to make. This 'doctor' should be strung up for inflicting who knows how much misery on his victims.

Wrong. Dolly the sheep lived for quite a few years and had her own offspring before developing the condition which she died from. Get your facts straight.

Cloning is no big deal to me. I live close to the college that cloned CC(carbon copy) the cat, the first cloned feline. Not to mention they've cloned a number of other animals. The only thing about cloning people is that this guy is that it is a human being, not an animal. People are scared that something will happen. Also, this guy who is cloning is... TAKING MY JOB! I'm supposed to be the first person to create a viable human clone. *sigh* Fine... I'll be the first person to clone a human LEGALLY. Now all I have to do is get the human clone ban lifted... that shouldn't be so hard, right?

 

[Sneaky Paladin]

well if we can clone we could in theory if we get brain transplants eventually we could possibly all live forever always in younger bodies

yes I know its VERY UNETHICAL but dieing is also VERY SUCKISH

 

[jboking]

I hate to stamp on anyones happy parade, but a clone would not be you, they would simply share your genetic structure, if I made a clone of me right now I would not live on, it would be an empty shell with none of my memories, personality or knowledge.

Would you agree that some people are naturally better at some things(sports, writing, etc.) before any training? That would be what they are focusing on cloning, not your personality or memory, just your genetic skills.

Meh, they'll be ultra-expensive with a high fail-rate, no doubt.

Imagine if you had to pay the full price of the clone in order to get the set of organs as insurance. Imagine if you had to make monthly payments on an organ you are now using. Imagine if you were late on a payment [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0963194/].

They always say if you wanna train a good bowman train his grandpa

I'll be honest, I've never heard that before. Pretty good quote though. I would kind of like to see what would happen if we cloned someone and had his clone live in a completely different environment. Just to see how similar t hey end up. To see how much of an influence genetics has on personality.

 

[jboking]

I hate to stamp on anyones happy parade, but a clone would not be you, they would simply share your genetic structure, if I made a clone of me right now I would not live on, it would be an empty shell with none of my memories, personality or knowledge.

Would you agree that some people are naturally better at some things(sports, writing, etc.) before any training? That would be what they are focusing on cloning, not your personality or memory, just your genetic skills.

Meh, they'll be ultra-expensive with a high fail-rate, no doubt.

Imagine if you had to pay the full price of the clone in order to get the set of organs as insurance. Imagine if you had to make monthly payments on an organ you are now using. Imagine if you were late on a payment [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0963194/].

They always say if you wanna train a good bowman train his grandpa

I'll be honest, I've never heard that before. Pretty good quote though. I would kind of like to see what would happen if we cloned someone and had his clone live in a completely different environment. Just to see how similar t hey end up. To see how much of an influence genetics has on personality.

the Theory (and I think it was proved) was that if you train someone to use a bow, then train his son to use a bow the 3rd generation will be really good at it.

Interesting. So there is some support for the idea that all people do not start off equal. Now I wonder, if you trained the grandpa and then trained the child, Would the grandchild be even more naturally skilled?

 

[dmase]

I call BS on this. I think the docter will fail horibbly and i mean this in the sense that he is going to say the baby will come out blond haired and blue eyed and be just like the "template", then the clone comes out black haired and has hazel eyes because gene transfer is random and everybody carries the genes that their ancestors have. The clone would end up being completely different unless he is using gene modification to the extent were he modifies visible features which would be a humongous steaming pile of BULL SHIT.

 

[sirdanrhodes]

Gotta be this song (c) Isaac Asimov

Oh, give me a clone
Of my own flesh and bone
With its Y-chromosome changed to X
And when it is grown
Then my own little clone
Will be of the opposite sex.

Clone, clone of my own,
With your Y-Chromosome changed to X
And when I'm alone
With my own little clone
We will both think of nothing but sex.

I thank yew.

Wait, you'd fuck a female you? Am I on the right lines here?

Edit --- This brings new meaning to the term go fuck yourself.

 

[Galletea]

I'm of no strong opinion either way as far as cloning goes, but so many are that a clone child would face no end of problems in society. After all, everyone would know about it from the kid's birth.

Yes, yes, and...no, that would be like making out with a twin sister...

 

[GloatingSwine]

I call BS on this. I think the docter will fail horibbly and i mean this in the sense that he is going to say the baby will come out blond haired and blue eyed and be just like the "template", then the clone comes out black haired and has hazel eyes because gene transfer is random and everybody carries the genes that their ancestors have.

No. Everyone carries 50% of the genes of each of their parents.

That means they carry (on average) 25% of the genes of each grandparent.

12.5% of the genes of each great grandparent.

Beyond that, the genetic similarity is actually no closer than between complete strangers.

Crossing over only happens during the process of meiosis, which is the point where half of the genome of an individual is taken to form a gamete, or sex cell (a sperm or an egg).

So if what you describe happened, the explanation would be that it was not a clone at all, but a normally fertilised egg.

Do please learn some basic biology before spouting off.

Now, the actual problem with this is the quality of DNA. As we grow older, our DNA actually degrades, thanks to the fact that we keep having to make copies of it to replace cells (every single cell in your body now was not in it seven years ago, it is a new cell created to replace one that died). Because the quality of DNA in these cells does not matter, as they are somatic line cells not germ line cells, there is only weak selective pressure on the faithful copying of that DNA.

This means that if an adult is cloned from one of these somatic cells, the clone is based on a "worn out" DNA template, and suffers developmental abnormalities, shortened lifespan, and problems due to aging (Dolly the sheep eventually suffered from arthiritis, and died earlier than her genetic "mother/sister").

This is why human cloning is immoral as it stands, because the resultant clone would inevitably suffer a shorter and more painful life than a normally fertilised egg.

 

[blindey]

I'll be honest, I've never heard that before. Pretty good quote though. I would kind of like to see what would happen if we cloned someone and had his clone live in a completely different environment. Just to see how similar t hey end up. To see how much of an influence genetics has on personality.

And you don't see any sort of you know, ethical or moral problems with this experiment, were it to be actually carried out and whatnot? I mean making someone for the sole purpose of transporting them to a different environment to see what sorts of influence is at birth and what is environmental would be horrible from the point of view of the person. Just because they're a clone doesn't mean they have any less rights than a regular "naturally made" person. As for the whole cloning people thing - I'd care more about organ cloning and that sort of thing.

 

[Frizzle]

Does cloning, just for the sake of cloning give us anything that sexually reproduced children dont' give us? If a cloned baby had all the same rights as a naturally conceived baby, then why not just do it the fun way?

The only thing I see coming from this, are more single parents. But even if you do clone someone, their station in life all depends on the conditions they go through as they grow. Cloning Hitler (which I know someone would do), would not creat another man bent on destroying the Jews. Sorry I had to bring hitler into this, i'm hungry and not thinking straight.