Meh dont sweat it..... Im a little biased about it myself (as you can tell) but yea your talking to a fellow drummer so I think Im on the opposite end of the 'MOAR DOUBLE BASS BLAHH' argument.PlainTwo said:Sure, I'll respect your opinion, but, I'll tell you that 'banging senselessly fast' on the drums is just a stereotype for metal I really hate.Hussmann54 said:Thats the second part of why I hate alot of music in those genres. It all sounds too alike. Thats why I dont do "Covers". Now granted I did do alot of imitation when I was first learning how to play but I would like to think I have moved beyond all that ten years later. I make my own rhythms and... well I dont really know the term for it but I guess my own "piece". Me and a friend who was very good at playing just about anything on a guitar (Rock, rap styles, metal, old funk, reggae blue grass, you name it.) would just sit around and freestyle it and some of my best bits have come from regular old jam sessions where neither person had any remote idea of exactly what would be played.PlainTwo said:I know I'm going to sound like a dick for this, and I'm not trying to start a flame war, but this just pisses me off.Hussmann54 said:No offense to anyone but I am just as good as those drummers simply because I can double bass and screaming into a microphone doesnt require much talent either.
Please, could you possibly post some covers of metal songs of you on vocals and drums? Then maybe I'll believe you when you say they don't have talent.
Once again, I'm sorry, but people who say 'so and so requires no talent' but actually can't do it themselves, just piss me off.
Please, if you can, prove me wrong.
Ok ok ok so I admit: Im not as good as most "Professional metal drummers". I can bang on the drums senselessly as loud and fast as I can. But they are better. They bang around on the drums faster and harder than me. Thats about the only difference..... I cant think of a single drummer in a metal, or "hair band", or death metal, or screamo etc etc etc that can play like Ed Shaunhaessey did may he rest in peace. (I think I screwed up the spelling on that last name)
As for the vocals..... well I would like to keep my vocal cords intact thank you very much. And seeing as I have a lung condition that screws with my respiratory systems, Im by no means a good singer, (unless you count showers and car radios). But then I dont think Auto tune could save most lead singers now and days. Im not raising myself up to their level, Im just pointing out that they arent that far ahead of most regular people.
I'll admit, most metal is just that, and doesn't require much skill, but there are a few gems that stand out and aren't just 'MOAR DOUBLE BASS BLAHH'.
Sorry about my mini rant I guess, as a drummer, it just kinda pisses me off when people say what I do requires no skill.
HatchetDown said:Popularity and the media has nothing to do with it, plenty of different genres are popular, I'm defending sense more than I am Metal. The point is that Metal is laced with a whole lot more intricacies than you give it credit for. It's a lot more than just BLAAARGH. The way the vocals are performed DOES actually take more talent and skill than you might think and all of the guitar players, drummers, and bassists are usually classically trained, and if not have a good grasp of music as a whole. It's one thing if Metal isn't "up you're alley", but to discredit it as not being valid music is a whole other.Hussmann54 said:What major part am I supposed to be missing? The part where I should just accept every thing that the media throws at me and say "since its popular, its good" or the part where all those artists "tried there best" so they should all get a big purple frickin "Participation" ribbon and a pat on the back for it.
Wait a second! Metal has been around for a while. Its a big boy now. It can pour milk on its own cereal and go potty by itself. Why on earth does it need defending? Its not like at the end of the day I decide the fate of metal. It certainly doesnt need its fan base to defend it.
It sounds to me like you've heard a few thrash [small](aka 'playing instruments well is for pussies!')[/small], death [small](aka 'growling incoherently is what awesome people do!')[/small] or black [small](aka 'screaming incoherently about Satan!')[/small] metal bands (or any of the horrible -core sub-genres *shudder*) and blithely assumed they were representative of 'metal' itself. But they aren't!Hussmann54 said:Ok fine Ill admit that metal is "music" (definitions being what they are these days) its crappy music, but music non the less. I can get a three year old to scribble with crayons on paper and call it art but Im pretty sure it wont find its place next to the Mona Lisa. Oh and for all its "intricacies", metal is still the 2+2=4 of the musical world compared to classic jazz (which is more like string theory physics if you wanna go with that metaphor)
But hey even low standards are standards. You win. Congratulations!!! Another score for bad arguments......
In fact, when it's done properly, it does no real damage to the vocal cords. It's only when idiots like the guy from Slipknot try it and fail that they screw with the vocal cords.well I would like to keep my vocal cords intact thank you very much.
In the end people like what they like because they like the way it sounds. Once again the argument is about the Music, which I guess you've boiled selected genres into soulless media spew for some odd reason. I can't account for the sheep that hang on to dumb shit like that but don't make it sound like the genres you don't like are a product of said sheep. They're not. Black Sabbath was originally a jazz band until they decided to change their sound and that change inspired a massive genre. If you want to get into the math metaphor then check out Tool's Fibonacci Sequence [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6p6Ss6I1ER4]. Or hell even Between the Buried and Me.Hussmann54 said:I have studied sociology and "popularity and media" have everything to do with it. Its called a niche group. A good example is these so called rap wars. A bunch of rappers take one of two sides and sling insults at each other (Ben-zi-No & ICP vs. 50 cent & Eminem). Now look at the fan base. It suddenly finds itself divided and takes side. Each side saying something is better than something else. But its all within that genre. The same principle can be one sided. The sub group of metal can hold its own opinions. Not just those of the main stream. Its called "Sub culture"
Ok fine Ill admit that metal is "music" (definitions being what they are these days) its crappy music, but music non the less. I can get a three year old to scribble with crayons on paper and call it art but Im pretty sure it wont find its place next to the Mona Lisa. Oh and for all its "intricacies", metal is still the 2+2=4 of the musical world compared to classic jazz (which is more like string theory physics if you wanna go with that metaphor)
But hey even low standards are standards. You win. Congratulations!!! Another score for bad arguments......
If I could have a theme song to my life, that would be it.The Austin said:I would feel absolutely godly if I were in a fight with that stuff playing.IanBrazen said:I find that offencive sir...oh wait im a white male im not allowed to get offendedThe Austin said:The funny Irish music.
Der dur der dur der dur der der der, der duer der, der der!
anyhoo I like my fights to be EPIC, with alot of God chanting going on.
hell yeah.![]()
You mean like this?The Austin said:The funny Irish music.
Der dur der dur der dur der der der, der duer der, der der!
Not quite, but that was pretty cool.TheNumber1Zero said:You mean like this?The Austin said:The funny Irish music.
Der dur der dur der dur der der der, der duer der, der der!
So more like I'll tell me ma then? (I believe that's Irish, if i'm not mistaken)The Austin said:Not quite, but that was pretty cool.TheNumber1Zero said:You mean like this?The Austin said:The funny Irish music.
Der dur der dur der dur der der der, der duer der, der der!
Dear Sir,Furburt said:*Snippity-doo-dahh,snippity-dee-dayy*
That..... May have scarred me for life.TheNumber1Zero said:So more like I'll tell me ma then? (I believe that's Irish, if i'm not mistaken)The Austin said:Not quite, but that was pretty cool.TheNumber1Zero said:You mean like this?The Austin said:The funny Irish music.
Der dur der dur der dur der der der, der duer der, der der!
link thingy to the song, along with visual entertainment
Which part has done the life scarring? The song, the video itself, or is it the fact that one of them was missing a toe?The Austin said:That..... May have scarred me for life.TheNumber1Zero said:So more like I'll tell me ma then? (I believe that's Irish, if i'm not mistaken)The Austin said:Not quite, but that was pretty cool.TheNumber1Zero said:You mean like this?The Austin said:The funny Irish music.
Der dur der dur der dur der der der, der duer der, der der!
link thingy to the song, along with visual entertainment
It's the song that starts up when the DJ starts talking, all I could find it in was a trailer for Pirate Radio.
[link] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qX1SSiFWF-s [/link]
Ugh. Never mind. I'll just go without hearing my precious Irish Fight Music.TheNumber1Zero said:Which part has done the life scarring? The song, the video itself, or is it the fact that one of them was missing a toe?The Austin said:That..... May have scarred me for life.TheNumber1Zero said:So more like I'll tell me ma then? (I believe that's Irish, if i'm not mistaken)The Austin said:Not quite, but that was pretty cool.TheNumber1Zero said:You mean like this?The Austin said:The funny Irish music.
Der dur der dur der dur der der der, der duer der, der der!
link thingy to the song, along with visual entertainment
It's the song that starts up when the DJ starts talking, all I could find it in was a trailer for Pirate Radio.
[link] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qX1SSiFWF-s [/link]
Your link(s) also confuse me.