Final Fantasy XIII Will Use 100% of PS3's Power

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painfull2006 said:
I doubt it

the PS3 has been a big letdown
maybe only FFXIII Versus would be close to using it, the standard one looks poor, i thought they had learnt with 10-2 that having the main character as a girl dosnt work, so its destined to fail :p
i hand you an epic fail. mass effect worked just fine with the camera following a chick

using a fairly poor lore to make an unlicensed Charlie's Angles game is destined to fail....... on that thought, how bad were the licensed Charlie's Angles games?
 

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I mean, we already have Crysis - who's to say that PC games won't keep pushing that margin?
Well, I'm guessing the PS3 will actually be able to run FFXIII. Though, the price of the PS3 makes it just about as accessible as Crysis.

Anyway, I can't wait to see it in action on my new 42" plasma in my room. Only like another 3 years, right?
Seeing as a PS3 is $400 US and buying a PC that can support Crysis can be well over $1000 or the investment in money and time to upgrading your current PC...your statement makes little to know sense
 

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Thats right 100% of the PS3 power on unskippable cut scenes! Cant wait for me to watch all of the coolest parts of this game unfold right before me and me contributing nothing at all.
Who the hell makes cutscenes unskippable nowadays?

Though it's not like you really can skip the cutscenes. Doing that can easily leave you confused, as one moment you could be on a train and then after a brief cutscene you could be suddenly fighting a giant crab demon.

even Xenosagas cutscenes were skippable.... the second time thru any way - and that's O.K. i think i got around to skipping all the cutscenes by teh third play through of every game, it just never makes sense (to me any way) to skip the story parts of the games the first time you get to them, but then i am crazy
 

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They must have used the "Performance-O-Meter".

Seriously, it's not even as if you gain any satisfaction from knowing it's pushing it really hard, concern if anything.
 

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red the fister said:
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xmetatr0nx said:
Thats right 100% of the PS3 power on unskippable cut scenes! Cant wait for me to watch all of the coolest parts of this game unfold right before me and me contributing nothing at all.
Who the hell makes cutscenes unskippable nowadays?

Though it's not like you really can skip the cutscenes. Doing that can easily leave you confused, as one moment you could be on a train and then after a brief cutscene you could be suddenly fighting a giant crab demon.

even Xenosagas cutscenes were skippable.... the second time thru any way - and that's O.K. i think i got around to skipping all the cutscenes by teh third play through of every game, it just never makes sense (to me any way) to skip the story parts of the games the first time you get to them, but then i am crazy
No, it's perfectly right, but in my book, a good game must feature the option to fucking pause a cutscene. Why do so little games have that? What if the doorbell rings or something? You're fucked.
 

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Except for that pesky fact that Japan does not dictate solely the success of a console OR a game... for that you need North America and the rest of the world, where considering number of consoles already owned, I'd wager the xbox version sells more copies. Hell their games market is doing pretty badly these days. You'd be surprised how many 360 owners are fans of final fantasy. And honestly, if MGS4 didn't turn out to be the system mover everyone predicted it would be, I don't think Final Fantasy is going to be that new hero.

That said, we'll have to see what the quality is before making statements about whether people will buy it on the ps3 instead because of a huge leap in graphics... which up till now has been negligible, or worse, has actually proven to be in the xbox's favor on many multiplatform games.

In other words, Square knows what it's doing. It's publishing the game on both platforms for a reason... because no matter how many millions it sells on the ps3 or the 360, those combined millions equal success to them and money in the bank.
I actually did mean that the PS3 version would sell more copies overall, no where did I say that Japan would dictate the winner.

Really, you'd be surprised how many 360 owners are going to buy a PS3 for FFXIII regardless if it's on their console, I've seen dozens of comments on dozens of sites saying similar things. The FF series is so widely known to be on a Playstation platform (regardless on if it's been on other platforms) that people tend to associate it with Playstation even if other games in the franchise have hit other consoles. That's where the "superior" product comes in, even if it's just having the original Japanese voices with English subtitles (which the 360 version had to have cut) people are going to want that version.

And to my knowledge, MGS4 did move systems, though how much people expected it to move compared to how much it did is debatable.

EDIT: While, yes, this is only Japan, I feel that this recently necroed thread [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.109234] states my point somewhat nicely.
I respectfully disagree.
Honestly, people who have a 360, why would they run out and buy a PS3 NOW, for ONE title? One of the biggest gripes about the PS3 is it's cost... so I doubt anyone is going to spend $400 for the opportunity to play a $60 game that arguably will deliver the same gaming experience on the Xbox as it will the PS3. Again, given Square Enix's commitment to quality, I seriously doubt any noticeable difference will exist between the two versions beyond a slight (almost negligible) graphical difference.
i've a Wii and a 360, and for one game - and one game only - am i buying a ps3: God of War III. and now that i know i can watch FFXII the way i prefer my anime (that would be subed) it seems i will be getting final fantasy on that black monster machine
 

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I'd say that's amazing, except the laptop I'm using right now has comparable throughput to the PS3.

It's unfortunate that Sony made the PS3 seem so immensely powerful, then put such crappy processors in.

Honestly, it's fully possible for them to max out the PS3.

Sony was planning on having the PS3 be the most powerful device for a long time, but what they didn't take into account is the acceleration of technology.

When it was first made, the PS3 was among the fastest machines around.

Now for a few thousand dollars, you can get computers several times (i.e. 4x, not 1.5x) more powerful than the PS3, and I think that's going to really hurt both the PS3 and 360.

Gaming is only going to move more towards computers during this generation.

The Wii is only safe because it's so different.

By the time FFXIII is released, it will be so far behind even moderate computers that it will only have value to the fanboys of the series.
 

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Gladion said:
red the fister said:
Internet Kraken said:
xmetatr0nx said:
Thats right 100% of the PS3 power on unskippable cut scenes! Cant wait for me to watch all of the coolest parts of this game unfold right before me and me contributing nothing at all.
Who the hell makes cutscenes unskippable nowadays?

Though it's not like you really can skip the cutscenes. Doing that can easily leave you confused, as one moment you could be on a train and then after a brief cutscene you could be suddenly fighting a giant crab demon.

even Xenosagas cutscenes were skippable.... the second time thru any way - and that's O.K. i think i got around to skipping all the cutscenes by teh third play through of every game, it just never makes sense (to me any way) to skip the story parts of the games the first time you get to them, but then i am crazy
No, it's perfectly right, but in my book, a good game must feature the option to fucking pause a cutscene. Why do so little games have that? What if the doorbell rings or something? You're fucked.
damn, you're right!!! not to sound like to much of a fanboy but once again Xenosaga let you pause teh cutscenes and decide to continue or skip. we must bring the light of Namco to the rest of the gaming world!!!!
 

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I'd say that's amazing, except the laptop I'm using right now has comparable throughput to the PS3.

It's unfortunate that Sony made the PS3 seem so immensely powerful, then put such crappy processors in.

Honestly, it's fully possible for them to max out the PS3.

Sony was planning on having the PS3 be the most powerful device for a long time, but what they didn't take into account is the acceleration of technology.

When it was first made, the PS3 was among the fastest machines around.

Now for a few thousand dollars, you can get computers several times (i.e. 4x, not 1.5x) more powerful than the PS3, and I think that's going to really hurt both the PS3 and 360.

Gaming is only going to move more towards computers during this generation.

The Wii is only safe because it's so different.

By the time FFXIII is released, it will be so far behind even moderate computers that it will only have value to the fanboys of the series.

looks like i get a double post.... sry if it happens. but...

gaming consoles have, historically been well behind the power curve of the PCs of their era (neogeo may be an exception but i never even got a peek at that things tech-specs) dedicated gaming consoles don't require the same processing power to shit out the same visuals and what not. they were built to run games, and run games only, but that's changing too....
 

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Finnboghi said:
I'd say that's amazing, except the laptop I'm using right now has comparable throughput to the PS3.

It's unfortunate that Sony made the PS3 seem so immensely powerful, then put such crappy processors in.

Honestly, it's fully possible for them to max out the PS3.

Sony was planning on having the PS3 be the most powerful device for a long time, but what they didn't take into account is the acceleration of technology.

When it was first made, the PS3 was among the fastest machines around.

Now for a few thousand dollars, you can get computers several times (i.e. 4x, not 1.5x) more powerful than the PS3, and I think that's going to really hurt both the PS3 and 360.

Gaming is only going to move more towards computers during this generation.

The Wii is only safe because it's so different.

By the time FFXIII is released, it will be so far behind even moderate computers that it will only have value to the fanboys of the series.
That would be great if we were ever talking about PCs and if we were actually giving a shit about processors right now.

Seriously, I am so sick of people going "ho ho ho! Consoles will be inferior to PCs anyway! Ho ho ho!" when we never even talk about crap like that. Consoles and PCs are two entirely different markets targeted at two completely different people, so please shut up with this whole "Consoles are inferior!" crap. Isn't it possible that maybe, just maybe, not everyone wants to go through the time, commitment, and money just to make a standard PC? Not everyone wants to research every little part of a PC and assemble it, not everyone is a "PC Mastah" like you.

I said this before, "It doesn't matter if consoles will be 'inferior' to PCs in 5 years because they're already 'inferior' hardware-wise in 5 months. So what's the damn point in trying to keep up if they're meant for logetivity?"

Does it matter if you can get a more powerful PC? Who gives a damn about power, it's about the games you can get for it. Threads like these are just hype threads, that's it. They don't say anything about the hardware itself, do you have any idea how many times developers have said "We're pushing them as hard as we can captain!"? The answer; a bunch of friggin' times. And so what if they use up 100% of the CPU or something? As someone said earlier, 100% usage does not mean 100% efficiency. You may be able to push the car up to a maximum speed of 200mph but that does not mean that it's at maximum efficiency. New engines, new coding techniques, new data, blah blah blah, potential is not marked exclusively by the hardware's standard capabilities, it's what you can do to push it further.

So please, shut up with your PC fanboyism/elitism/istigasm/whatever and don't bother posting in these types of threads if you're just going to go around spouting PC stuff all over the place. We get it, PCs are more advance than console, and to that I say so freakin' what?
 

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...I'm gonna call bull for now. I wanna see something truly impressive first.
 

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Brockyman said:
Krakyn said:
CantFaketheFunk said:
I mean, we already have Crysis - who's to say that PC games won't keep pushing that margin?
Well, I'm guessing the PS3 will actually be able to run FFXIII. Though, the price of the PS3 makes it just about as accessible as Crysis.

Anyway, I can't wait to see it in action on my new 42" plasma in my room. Only like another 3 years, right?
Seeing as a PS3 is $400 US and buying a PC that can support Crysis can be well over $1000 or the investment in money and time to upgrading your current PC...your statement makes little to know sense
It makes know sense? Really? I hope you were trying to be ironic. If not, you're just an idiot.

Two things: for many people, $400 may as well be $1000 dollars. If both are out of their price range, they're both inaccessible and the difference matters little. Next, I believe the PS3's price has gone down since I made that post THREE MONTHS AGO.
 

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Oh God, the 360 version is going to be awful. They either need to nerf it for the 360 or the 360 version will run like shit.

Besides, didn't MGS 4 also push the PS3 to the limit, or was it just that there wasn't enough memory on the disk so they had to cut down on it? I can't remember.
 

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Oh God, the 360 version is going to be awful. They either need to nerf it for the 360 or the 360 version will run like shit.

Besides, didn't MGS 4 also push the PS3 to the limit, or was it just that there wasn't enough memory on the disk so they had to cut down on it? I can't remember.
Have you ever known Square Enix to make a 'horrible' game? Sure, Ok, Dirge of Cerebus... but, that wasn't really a horrible PERFORMING game.. just a horribly WRITTEN game. The gameplay was lame, but otherwise it still worked better than a HUGE margin of other PS2 games.

I have faith in Square Enix that no matter what, they will deliver an identical quality game to both consoles, and the only difference between the two will be on the graphical end, but it won't be such a difference in quality graphically that 99% of gamers would notice.
I imagine it'll be something like Fallout 3 or Ghostbusters... Side by side visual comparisons might be slightly noticeable, but it's not going to be a deal breaker, and I doubt that after all the bitching about the "exhorbitant price" of the PS3 that people are going to run out and buy a PS3 just to play it if they already have a 360 unless it turns out the 360 version is incredibly broken.

And as for the amount of disks, I've noticed that a game's fun-factor and quality is rarely limited by being printed on multiple disks. Sure it's 'bitching-fodder' for fanboys who live in a state of denial of the fact that complaining about having to change out disks is really more of a declaration of that person's inherent laziness and our society's increasing need for "instant gratification", which will be rendered moot by the high likelihood that the game will be fully installable upon the hard drive to alleviate the entire issue.
 

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Jumplion said:
Finnboghi said:
I'd say that's amazing, except the laptop I'm using right now has comparable throughput to the PS3.

It's unfortunate that Sony made the PS3 seem so immensely powerful, then put such crappy processors in.

Honestly, it's fully possible for them to max out the PS3.

Sony was planning on having the PS3 be the most powerful device for a long time, but what they didn't take into account is the acceleration of technology.

When it was first made, the PS3 was among the fastest machines around.

Now for a few thousand dollars, you can get computers several times (i.e. 4x, not 1.5x) more powerful than the PS3, and I think that's going to really hurt both the PS3 and 360.

Gaming is only going to move more towards computers during this generation.

The Wii is only safe because it's so different.

By the time FFXIII is released, it will be so far behind even moderate computers that it will only have value to the fanboys of the series.
That would be great if we were ever talking about PCs and if we were actually giving a shit about processors right now.

Seriously, I am so sick of people going "ho ho ho! Consoles will be inferior to PCs anyway! Ho ho ho!" when we never even talk about crap like that. Consoles and PCs are two entirely different markets targeted at two completely different people, so please shut up with this whole "Consoles are inferior!" crap. Isn't it possible that maybe, just maybe, not everyone wants to go through the time, commitment, and money just to make a standard PC? Not everyone wants to research every little part of a PC and assemble it, not everyone is a "PC Mastah" like you.

I said this before, "It doesn't matter if consoles will be 'inferior' to PCs in 5 years because they're already 'inferior' hardware-wise in 5 months. So what's the damn point in trying to keep up if they're meant for logetivity?"

Does it matter if you can get a more powerful PC? Who gives a damn about power, it's about the games you can get for it. Threads like these are just hype threads, that's it. They don't say anything about the hardware itself, do you have any idea how many times developers have said "We're pushing them as hard as we can captain!"? The answer; a bunch of friggin' times. And so what if they use up 100% of the CPU or something? As someone said earlier, 100% usage does not mean 100% efficiency. You may be able to push the car up to a maximum speed of 200mph but that does not mean that it's at maximum efficiency. New engines, new coding techniques, new data, blah blah blah, potential is not marked exclusively by the hardware's standard capabilities, it's what you can do to push it further.

So please, shut up with your PC fanboyism/elitism/istigasm/whatever and don't bother posting in these types of threads if you're just going to go around spouting PC stuff all over the place. We get it, PCs are more advance than console, and to that I say so freakin' what?
Wow.

I think someone needs to turn down the console fanboyism just a tad.

I enjoy both console and PC games, and I enjoy them for different reasons.

However, simply because you attacked with such ferocity, I feel the need to poke a hole in every argument you have, so, here goes:

Never talking about PCs? This is a forum about gaming, isn't it? And PCs are a part of gaming, no? Also, why is it that 40% of the posts I can see right now (Latest comments, most popular, etc.) are for PC-only games?

Gaming consoles were created way back when computers couldn't play games, but the acceleration in computer technology has outpaced that of consoles, however consoles have been able to keep up with visuals by using 'different' ways of rendering (not better, not worse, just different). This is because a console's renderer can be more static, because it's somewhat predictable what's going to happen. The fact that consoles can keep up is quite simply remarkable, and a wonderful feat. However, the simple fact remains, consoles just don't have the processing power, and aren't dynamic enough to be the future. They are great in their own respect, but as we drift closer to not needing a dedicated machine exclusively for gaming, I feel that consoles will slowly die out.

As for building or purchasing a computer, it doesn't take much time or expertise, and it's not like people don't buy them for other purposes, such as professional applications like digital graphics, audio and video editing, etc., all of which generally require 'gaming' quality PCs.

The issue with the PS3 isn't that it is obsolete in 5 years; the issue is that Sony wants the PS3 to be on the market for 15. At the current rate of development, the iPhone GSXPZ will be playing games similar to a PS3 by the time it's life is at an end.

As for games; I generally prefer PC games, simply because I have an obsession with accurate physics which borders on the fetishistic, and to date I've seen only two games which satisfy that on consoles, both of which have been ported to PC. In short, there are great games which are only available on consoles, but there are just as many for PCs.

As for consumption vs. efficiency: modern computation has drawn away from this; nearly all APIs are designed to be as efficient as possible, code is written in an intelligent and logical manner, and even the processors and compilers themselves are so advanced that they optimize code on-the-fly (trust me, when you write in assembly, you can see just how well this works). Coupled with the power of modern processors, even 100% consumption could be 98% efficiency, due simply to the abundance of available cycles for computation, the small number of unnecessary and redundant cycles would amount to little more than nano-seconds.

And finally, before you accuse me of "[going] around spouting PC stuff all over the place", might want to check my posts; this is the first time I've ever posted anything about PC gaming.

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