Good thing they changed it, considering I literally just joined Hearthsone an hour a go & played the first battle of the tutorial.
Finnish Hearthstone Tournament Changes Policy on Women - Update
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Not serious.Necromancer1991 said:Gamer87 said:
But in all honesty I think doing both a free-access and a female specific tournament seems like the most reasonable way to handle things given that they already booked the space and what not.
I see no reason why people should be differently treated in any kind of situation based upon gender, or anything else for that matter, when that clearly has no impact on their ability to do something. Even "positive" discrimination is discrimination.
I'm actually not sure which is worse, male-only and female-only or what they've now decided upon.
I mean at the very least with the segregation, even if incredibly sexist, the idea that the female victor is equal to the male victor still exists.
With this it's glaringly obvious that the female-only victor isn't at all the equal to the 'real' victor. After all, if she were equal she'd have joined the 'real' competition and achieved something there. This'll just solidify the female competition as the lesser competition.
Which, honestly, I don't think it's what we need.
I'd say that, in regards to promoting female participation, it's better to have a smaller number of women competing on equal ground than more of them competing in special competitions.
I mean at the very least with the segregation, even if incredibly sexist, the idea that the female victor is equal to the male victor still exists.
With this it's glaringly obvious that the female-only victor isn't at all the equal to the 'real' victor. After all, if she were equal she'd have joined the 'real' competition and achieved something there. This'll just solidify the female competition as the lesser competition.
Which, honestly, I don't think it's what we need.
I'd say that, in regards to promoting female participation, it's better to have a smaller number of women competing on equal ground than more of them competing in special competitions.
Marginalizing women I'm sure will be a great step in garnering the reputation and respect for E-sports as a true sport, but unfortunately I'm concerned that we've still got a long, long way to go. Until we start having exciting riots and E-athletes being paid millions of dollars we'll simply never be a true sport.
They booked space for two tournament (The male-only and female-only ones) and decided to remove the gender requirement on one and keep the other one gender-specific, that seems like a perfectly reasonable compromise given the circumstances. Would you rather they just cancel the other tournament and throw all the money they've already spent on the space and advertising and render the money spent on transportation and lodging by people who wanted to compete and/or spectate utterly pointless?Smilomaniac said:
You'd have to present some pretty substantial evidence to show that there is enough sexual dimorphism between men and women's brains that fundamentally puts them in different categories of capability in these games.ultreos2 said:
It's not about physical or mental endurance, it's about the maximum capability. In a lot of physical sports, women just cannot compete with men due to men having much more physically capable builds. Men just have more natural physical capability than women. Those sports are split and for good reason. There's nothing to suggest that the physical necessities of competitive gaming are harder/worse for men or women. There's just no good reason to disallow women to compete with men.
Its a good thing they managed to solve the issue, but this doesn't really change the fact that half of the world now thinks that Finland is a sexist place when it comes to gaming. the original story which was copy pasted around the net was poorly captioned in over half of the news outlets.
The Finnish e-Sports federation actually lobbied against the rule with the Assembly crew and other national eSF organizations
before the news went viral. Its kinda bitter sweet thing. Problem got fixed but the fixers are depicted as the sexists
all over the net.
Funny thing this internet journalism.
Prime case of how goddamn important the context actually is.
These qualifiers are played all over the damn globe not just here.
The Finnish e-Sports federation actually lobbied against the rule with the Assembly crew and other national eSF organizations
before the news went viral. Its kinda bitter sweet thing. Problem got fixed but the fixers are depicted as the sexists
all over the net.
Funny thing this internet journalism.
Prime case of how goddamn important the context actually is.
These qualifiers are played all over the damn globe not just here.
This have just killed a little bit of the total human intelligence, and people were wondering why aliens don't make contact. If I was an alien, I wouldn't wanna mingle with humans either.
Hearthstone is a card game. They shouldn't look at the Olympics to base their rules on. They should look at professional poker or something. Card games just require strategy. Does it being on a comphter itself somehow make women suck at it? Doesn't make sense.
As a competitive player I find that women simply are generally less competitive. Especially in 1v1 situations where there's no support or help role to be filled. Sure, there's always exceptions but the general truth is why the esport scene in those 1v1 games such as street fighter or hearthstone is dominated by men. There's nothing wrong with equal opportunity and if a tourney banned women that would be terrible but what we have here is an expected equality of results that ignores reality and since the dogma is that genders are equal (which to them means "identical ") there must be something wrong with the group or the rules.
Nah, it's just tht more guys are likely to want to be competitive gamers, nothing to do with women. Guys just like it so much that they show up more. That's it.
Also, there's the obvious negative that a women only tourney makes anyone who enters it admit to being unable to cut it in the main one and in need of a handicap. I don't know anyone who respects themselves that would be fine with that.
As a competitive player I find that women simply are generally less competitive. Especially in 1v1 situations where there's no support or help role to be filled. Sure, there's always exceptions but the general truth is why the esport scene in those 1v1 games such as street fighter or hearthstone is dominated by men. There's nothing wrong with equal opportunity and if a tourney banned women that would be terrible but what we have here is an expected equality of results that ignores reality and since the dogma is that genders are equal (which to them means "identical ") there must be something wrong with the group or the rules.
Nah, it's just tht more guys are likely to want to be competitive gamers, nothing to do with women. Guys just like it so much that they show up more. That's it.
Also, there's the obvious negative that a women only tourney makes anyone who enters it admit to being unable to cut it in the main one and in need of a handicap. I don't know anyone who respects themselves that would be fine with that.
THIS STILL does not have anything to do with Finland other than the qualifier is played here.jpz719 said:
you can as well say good job Canada,France,Sweden and the list goes on.
this is why I'm pissed off. somebody screwed up the context early on.
And because the internet news sources don't bother to check their sources and get the context right,
one of the most gender neutral countries in the goddamn world is depicted as sexist,
when the truth is the exact opposite.
the IeSF is responsible for the rules and making the changes.
This still has nothing to do with Finland other than we were the first to actually do something about this.
