Something isn't not happening just because someone says it's not happening. Especially when that someone was too out of touch for even this website.Paragon Fury said:"They're not coming for your games."
- Jim, the Jimquisition
Something isn't not happening just because someone says it's not happening. Especially when that someone was too out of touch for even this website.Paragon Fury said:"They're not coming for your games."
- Jim, the Jimquisition
That's the beautiful thing. You don't need to wait. Just frame this as "SJWs" taking away your free speech, and you can do it yourself.Objectable said:fucking call me when there?s a petition to put back all the name changes and references in Xenogears and Xenosaga. That?s censorship/?localization issues? I actually care about not Pokemon Amie; Weeb delusion edition.
One should probably make sure one's own views comport with reality before accusing others of being out of touch.cthulhuspawn82 said:Something isn't not happening just because someone says it's not happening. Especially when that someone was too out of touch for even this website.
Not really. I'm just concerned that we're slowly becoming the new China in the eyes of the world. I'm picturing a Japanese PR guy going, "Wait! Are you shipping that to the US? You'd better cut out anything controversial. You know how bad THOSE people are at dealing with controversy."erttheking said:Oh no...that was holding the game together. Really, is anyone seriously going to miss this?
What about us fans who DO welcome these new additions? Don't our voice matter at all? "We Fire Emblem fans"-argument doesn't really mean anything when there are just as many different fans as there are individuals in the world.Hades said:snip
Considering there wasn't really any organized backlash and barely any backlash at all against the skinshipping, I don't really known where this concern comes from. Nintendo did this without any real outside prompting because they just thought it would be better that way. Hell, Nintendo has been doing this for decades. I don't really know why people seem to be under the impression that Japan considers America (Why just America and not the west? We don't exactly monopolize complaining. Nor do I see Japan saying that they're going to take this out of the American version but still keep it in the pal region version.) some backwards place where they can never export games to, despite the fact that's what brought the game industry back to life.sageoftruth said:Not really. I'm just concerned that we're slowly becoming the new China in the eyes of the world. I'm picturing a Japanese PR guy going, "Wait! Are you shipping that to the US? You'd better cut out anything controversial. You know how bad THOSE people are at dealing with controversy."erttheking said:Oh no...that was holding the game together. Really, is anyone seriously going to miss this?
While I do have a threshold for Japanese weirdness, I am a bit drawn to how it distinguishes their games from ours and would be pretty disappointed if Japanese companies no longer felt comfortable sharing it with us.
Depends on what you mean by "matter."SquallTheBlade said:What about us fans who DO welcome these new additions? Don't our voice matter at all? "We Fire Emblem fans"-argument doesn't really mean anything when there are just as many different fans as there are individuals in the world.
You know Japan localizes Western games in much the same way we localize their games, right? Only real difference is that they tend to focus on our gratuitous ultra-violence. The circular saw in Until Dawn, decapitations in Dead Rising, the nuke in Fallout 3...sageoftruth said:Not really. I'm just concerned that we're slowly becoming the new China in the eyes of the world. I'm picturing a Japanese PR guy going, "Wait! Are you shipping that to the US? You'd better cut out anything controversial. You know how bad THOSE people are at dealing with controversy."erttheking said:Oh no...that was holding the game together. Really, is anyone seriously going to miss this?
While I do have a threshold for Japanese weirdness, I am a bit drawn to how it distinguishes their games from ours and would be pretty disappointed if Japanese companies no longer felt comfortable sharing it with us.
Actually, that sounds good. I'd love a dating sim with Samus, Palutena, Lucina and other Nintendo girls. Where can I contribute to this?MarsAtlas said:I guess we should add a minigame where we grope Samus' booty in the next Metroid. I mean, if it sells its good, right? Hell, lets make that the primary mechanic, screw all that action bullshit.
If it makes it any better this feature was a hot button issue even within the IS studios. And if you remove the heavy 'Moe Fantasy Land' lens that a lot of posters seem to have here about Japan- even a lot of the Fire Emblem audience in Japan were split 50/50 on it. To the point where Sakurai even commented on it.Elfgore said:Who is the target audience of Fire Emblem games in Japan? Cause I sure as shit hope it ain't kids.
Anyway, I'll never support the removing of a video game feature. Best to just default it to "off" and let the player decide to turn it on. Everyone wins and everyone is happy... or at least they should be.
I don't know, I find it troubling that Japanese Saints Row fans were censored out of the ability to murder people with a giant purple dildo.altnameJag said:You know Japan localizes Western games in much the same way we localize their games, right? Only real difference is that they tend to focus on our gratuitous ultra-violence. The circular saw in Until Dawn, decapitations in Dead Rising, the nuke in Fallout 3...
And yet, no panic from our devs, far as I can tell.
You're right. That was a poor comparison. At the time, I was only thinking about China's inability to handle anything that rocks the boat even slightly. Still, is it true that China's using forced labor camps? I knew they were imprisoning people for ridiculous things like protests, but forced labor?MarsAtlas said:If somebody thinks the removal of a dumb, pandering minigame from a game is turning the US into totalitarian China you should really disregard everything that person thinks because they're clearly not putting much effort behind their thoughts. China, were people still get thrown into forced labour camps for making protests, not even protests against the government but protests against private businesses as well. I mean, basically the whole reason China still "supports" North Korea is because when people look at North Korea for their human rights violations it takes heat off of their for their somewhat milder human rights violations. Anybody thinking that is being ridiculous and their poor business decisions will give them a disadvantage against its opponent companies, making it harder to get by. I mean, that is their right but there's a difference between a deliberate business decision and trying to act a certain way (eg Nintendo's family-friendly persona) and just make a blatant mistake and losing out on profit because of it.sageoftruth said:Not really. I'm just concerned that we're slowly becoming the new China in the eyes of the world.
I'm sorry, she said groping Samus' ass, how do you make the jump from that to dating sim? And what kind of a dating sim has groping as the primary mechanic?SquallTheBlade said:Actually, that sounds good. I'd love a dating sim with Samus, Palutena, Lucina and other Nintendo girls. Where can I contribute to this?MarsAtlas said:I guess we should add a minigame where we grope Samus' booty in the next Metroid. I mean, if it sells its good, right? Hell, lets make that the primary mechanic, screw all that action bullshit.
Interesting. A shame really. Some cultural enthusiasts over there are missing out. I've never been a fan of localization, but that's their prerogative.altnameJag said:You know Japan localizes Western games in much the same way we localize their games, right? Only real difference is that they tend to focus on our gratuitous ultra-violence. The circular saw in Until Dawn, decapitations in Dead Rising, the nuke in Fallout 3...sageoftruth said:Not really. I'm just concerned that we're slowly becoming the new China in the eyes of the world. I'm picturing a Japanese PR guy going, "Wait! Are you shipping that to the US? You'd better cut out anything controversial. You know how bad THOSE people are at dealing with controversy."erttheking said:Oh no...that was holding the game together. Really, is anyone seriously going to miss this?
While I do have a threshold for Japanese weirdness, I am a bit drawn to how it distinguishes their games from ours and would be pretty disappointed if Japanese companies no longer felt comfortable sharing it with us.
And yet, no panic from our devs, far as I can tell.
Maybe I went too far. Still I'd like to see it. Actually, I've never seen a dating sim with that as a primary mechanic either so it would be something new as well.erttheking said:I'm sorry, she said groping Samus' ass, how do you make the jump from that to dating sim? And what kind of a dating sim has groping as the primary mechanic?
True. I think I made the mistake of drawing a connection between this an actual events that were caused by fan backlash.erttheking said:Considering there wasn't really any organized backlash and barely any backlash at all against the skinshipping, I don't really known where this concern comes from. Nintendo did this without any real outside prompting because they just thought it would be better that way. Hell, Nintendo has been doing this for decades. I don't really know why people seem to be under the impression that Japan considers America (Why just America and not the west? We don't exactly monopolize complaining. Nor do I see Japan saying that they're going to take this out of the American version but still keep it in the pal region version.) some backwards place where they can never export games to, despite the fact that's what brought the game industry back to life.sageoftruth said:Not really. I'm just concerned that we're slowly becoming the new China in the eyes of the world. I'm picturing a Japanese PR guy going, "Wait! Are you shipping that to the US? You'd better cut out anything controversial. You know how bad THOSE people are at dealing with controversy."erttheking said:Oh no...that was holding the game together. Really, is anyone seriously going to miss this?
While I do have a threshold for Japanese weirdness, I am a bit drawn to how it distinguishes their games from ours and would be pretty disappointed if Japanese companies no longer felt comfortable sharing it with us.
Trust me, I don't think that's the problem here. There's a difference between things that give a game a feeling of being from a different culture, and things that just don't make any sense in a certain culture. I mean, the US would never export a game that was heavily steeped in gun culture and the wonder of how awesome guns are (An IRL based game, not a Borderlands like game) and if they did it would sell horribly.